Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
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Quite an interesting testimony, thanks Adobe! And by the way, I believe she was talking about "soda", i.e. baking soda, i.e. sodium bicarbonate. Half a teaspoon every morning before breakfast.
The longer this obvious craziness continues the more I'm leaning towards the idea that the Powers-To-Be (at least in western countries) are ruthlessly using this "non-issue" as an excuse to test out how far they can go in controlling, scaring and managing people. A dry run, so to say. Sadly, so far it seems to work out just fine. It is actually kind of scary how good it seems to work out. The C's phrase "the programming is complete" comes to my mind regularly recently.
I mean, if that Virus would even slightly approach other mundane Viruses/Infections/Illnesses or Pandemics in terms of numbers and effects, I could sort of understand why so many fall for it, go crazy about it and say "yes" to everything that those on top demand as "counter measure"; but this one is so very obviously (in your face!) hugely over hyped in every way you look at it, that you really have to wonder about the state of our society as a whole.
If people can be so easily panicked by a non-issue like that and say "yes" to all the measures implemented by our "benevolent leaders", how do you think they would react if the PTB really step up the game and demand more outrages stuff? I'm afraid that our society has seldom before been as susceptible (and willing to follow) authoritarian nonsense by Psychopaths as today, globally speaking.
This all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, to say the least. Doesn't look good IMO. Brave new world.
I mean, if that Virus would even slightly approach other mundane Viruses/Infections/Illnesses or Pandemics in terms of numbers and effects, I could sort of understand why so many fall for it, go crazy about it and say "yes" to everything that those on top demand as "counter measure"; but this one is so very obviously (in your face!) hugely over hyped in every way you look at it, that you really have to wonder about the state of our society as a whole.
If people can be so easily panicked by a non-issue like that and say "yes" to all the measures implemented by our "benevolent leaders", how do you think they would react if the PTB really step up the game and demand more outrages stuff? I'm afraid that our society has seldom before been as susceptible (and willing to follow) authoritarian nonsense by Psychopaths as today, globally speaking.
This all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, to say the least. Doesn't look good IMO. Brave new world.
You are so right. It doesn't look beautiful at all what is coming. And to see all this panic is really disgusting. Really really disgusting how the PTB accept to be manipulated putting humanity in peril. But eh, that's what humanity decided.
Everything is going fast, the tsunami is huge and is coming! In Italy all schools are closed all March. All. In all the country. Oh my.
Coronavirus: Italy to close all schools as deaths rise
A total of 107 people have now died in Italy, the location of Europe's largest coronavirus outbreak.
www.bbc.com
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Also I read in a French page that a doctor was saying that it is very convenient to take the flu vaccine to help not to have the Corona virus!!! oh my my.
The page is here
This situation make me sad, really. We live in a idiotic world.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Good analysis, but bear in mind that the cruise ship population largely comprised the oldest age brackets, and thus the cohort most susceptible to this virus. If that sample reflected the population distribution in most countries, the number of those presenting symptoms and dying would be lower.
Then we have to factor in cases where people tested negative for SARS-Cov-2 (the virus) one day, and positive the next day - while remaining apparently free of COVID-19 (the disease) throughout. False positives, false negatives... why and when a virus activates or not... we really know so little about them and what they do when interacting with the human genome.
I mean, the first COVID-19 case in Europe and France was confirmed in Bordeaux on January 24th, 6 weeks ago. Bordeaux is just a two-hour drive away from us; we're smack in the middle of a transportation corridor between two major French cities.
If France is only now starting to think about maybe cancelling events at which large crowds gather, along with other 'containment measures', what do we imagine this virus has been doing in Bordeaux in the meantime? Sitting tight?! Waiting for the opportune moment?? Some of us have been to Bordeaux in the meantime - to a hospital! (for a friend)
Those are our thoughts on it. The numbers, even in highly monitored, controlled environments, are inherently unreliable.
Yozilla
The Living Force
Dependin' on the angle - for dupes buyin' official narrative it is a big issue; and it is symptomatic for people still sitting on the fence that it turns them into morons from just readin' fishy web sources - so i have a moniker of mine: morona virus.
Also, all of a sudden i have a premonition too: next in line of global schmandemics will be a Canine - lets say - flu... In fact today read somewhere that morona virus already jumped on one mutt somewhere in China - so start serachin' for dog masks as soon as possible!
It's not new. It's history repeating. This report came out after the 2009 Swine Flu Pandemic hysteria passed...
In other words, why bother test and count cases when everyone already believes we're in the midst of a health crisis anyway?! Who needs facts and data? Everyone 'knows'!
We may well see similar announced in the coming weeks, presumably once the WHO and its puppet masters are satisfied enough people believe...
In other words... "Don't mind all those devils in the details, just go get your vaccine!"
Positive for H1N1, 'probable' for H1N1, 'negative for H1N1'... the WHO and CDC didn't care - they just wanted to boost as many vaccines as possible and - more generally - get everyone onboard with 'doing what the nice man in the white coat tells you'.
It's all about the vaccines - and/or other medical mafia means of implementing ever finer orders of control. Like I said earlier in this thread, the manufactured 'War on Terror' has nothing on manufactured 'global pandemics' when it comes to 'spooking the herd' and 'creating new facts on the ground'. Most just 'freeze' in terror, suspend their critical faculties, and hand over their power to the authorities.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
A friend just told me about this
www.mirror.co.uk
Coronavirus mutates into second strain which is more aggressive and contagious
Scientists from Peking University said they had found that two main types of the new coronavirus could be causing infections
www.mirror.co.uk
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The Living Force
Regarding this whole issue, I know everyone has a their instincts. I know the house view is this is a non issue and will fizzle out in the spring / summer.
The professional views you hear out there is this is not necessarily a non issue or a civilization stopping pandemic but an issue that will come to affect you personally, no matter how much you try to ignore it.
My personal instincts tell me at this moment in time it's not decided whether it'll be an issue or not but it's something to pay attention to.
We wait to see what will transpire.
The professional views you hear out there is this is not necessarily a non issue or a civilization stopping pandemic but an issue that will come to affect you personally, no matter how much you try to ignore it.
My personal instincts tell me at this moment in time it's not decided whether it'll be an issue or not but it's something to pay attention to.
We wait to see what will transpire.
on_strike_usaexpat
Jedi
1st and 2nd cases here in Chile landia.
A Chilean doctor who lied on his health entry form that he had visited multiple East and SE Asian countries before returning to Chile and who then attended patients was hospitalized at the beginning of the month but is now in the recovered category while his wife has now been diagnosed as the 2nd official case in the country.
The panic has also arrived here but is not totally irrational yet...
The far left Chile Social Crisis protestors are already claiming this is a government conspiracy to halt the protests (I say bullshit on that as the current Chile government is pretty inept).
Time will tell, fall is coming but then historically real and true pandemics tend to fizzle out in South America.
A Chilean doctor who lied on his health entry form that he had visited multiple East and SE Asian countries before returning to Chile and who then attended patients was hospitalized at the beginning of the month but is now in the recovered category while his wife has now been diagnosed as the 2nd official case in the country.
The panic has also arrived here but is not totally irrational yet...
The far left Chile Social Crisis protestors are already claiming this is a government conspiracy to halt the protests (I say bullshit on that as the current Chile government is pretty inept).
Time will tell, fall is coming but then historically real and true pandemics tend to fizzle out in South America.
Yeah, I hadn't taken the age factor into account (thanks, Siberia, for finding that chart!). That WILL adjust the mortality and number of cases downward. Not sure by how much - that's beyond my math skills - maybe around a factor of 2 for people getting symptoms? (60-99+ year-olds account for 31% of cases, but make up just 18% of the Chinese population.)
One thing to consider though is that the oldest age brackets are not strictly speaking the most susceptible to getting the virus, just to dying - at least according to the stats we've been given. For example, people in the 80s and 90s make up 2.1% of China's population, but 3.2% of cases. Here's the graph based on the Chinese data showing "confirmed" (i.e. blood test, not including "clinically diagnosed") cases. It's still a bell curve, just shifted slightly in the elderly direction when compared to China's population demographics (see here and here to compare). So if you're anywhere older than 30, you'll have a higher chance of infection than if it affected everyone equally based on age. People in their 50s and 60s are hit the hardest, though: 25.3% of the population, 41.6% of cases.
Again, that's just based on the Chinese numbers, for what they're worth! (Probably not much.)
Yep, Corbett's report was very good. The only thing I'm not sure about is related to the spike of around 15,000 cases. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read that China only changed its diagnostic criteria for that single day or so, and then reverted to using blood tests to (presumably) test for the actual virus. So while it's true that those in the spike hadn't actually been tested, I'm pretty sure all the cases before and after were. Of course, even that isn't a sure thing, as you point out (false negatives and positives) - the reliability of the test itself has to be taken into account.
As Corbett points out, everyone has an agenda, and those agendas are sometimes in conflict. Whose numbers to trust? Are they downplayed or exaggerated? All I'm really trying to say is that with so much uncertainty, I can understand why people and governments are reacting the way they are - for a variety of reasons, whether sinister or just over-cautious worst-case-scenario planning. Not saying any of them are necessarily right to do so, just that it doesn't strike me as particularly surprising.
Yesterday in Poland before midnight a new law was adopted introducing mandatory hospitalization, the possibility of introducing mandatory quarantine for everyone, even if the person is not sick for 21 days, if someone refuses the mandatory treatment, it can be done by force or even the army. The Minister of Health can order, by means of an administrative decision, the takeover of any products for fighting the virus for the benefit of the State Treasury. The government can also limit the activities of private companies in the affected areas and introduce rationing of certain goods. The new law also provides for draconian penalties for pharmaceutical wholesalers who try to sell medical devices classified as strategic, in the event of a possible epidemic (not even the epidemic itself!) the army may be placed under the command of sanitary inspectors.