Same here and surprisingly it's coming from people who are usually anti government, aswell as people who just follow governments every word. Interesting how people are appealing to government to save them.
Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
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Same here and surprisingly it's coming from people who are usually anti government, aswell as people who just follow governments every word. Interesting how people are appealing to government to save them.
They are asking for a totalitarian regime, and I don't think all the implementations will go away completely no matter the mortality rate, if the current Corona becomes a new normal addition to the yearly winter and flu season. In Spain, Madrid might not be much troubled by putting Barcelona in lock-down.
Same in Greece. They are asking for the closing down of all schools, it's trending on Greek Twitter right now #κλειστε_τα_σχολεια_τωρα (close schools now). According to the comments, they don't want what happened to Italy to come to Greece. Btw, some of the same people who declare that love is the answer to the immigrants/refugees and to open the borders, are now asking for the closing of schools
Also they are asking, those that think they are from a "special Tribe" to close all borders. Out all Italians. Now the danger is coming from Italians, no more from the Chinese.Same in Greece. They are asking for the closing down of all schools, it's trending on Greek Twitter right now #κλειστε_τα_σχολεια_τωρα (close schools now). According to the comments, they don't want what happened to Italy to come to Greece. Btw, some of the same people who declare that love is the answer to the immigrants/refugees and to open the borders, are now asking for the closing of schools
Will France follow Italy into Covid-19 lockdown?
You know, this whole thing reminds me of the following:
And of course, the question is: why is it pretty much NOW that "the Lizard beings desperate push for total control" is manifesting?
Is it because the Wave really is in progress? That some very interesting changes are in the wings ready to step on stage?
You know, this whole thing reminds me of the following:
And of course, the question is: why is it pretty much NOW that "the Lizard beings desperate push for total control" is manifesting?
Is it because the Wave really is in progress? That some very interesting changes are in the wings ready to step on stage?
I really like to read diaries from people during the Second World War from British publish bye the Mass-observation organisation and what I am seeing now reminds me very much those years and how people explained what was the day by day and the new laws and rules, what were their worries and their problems; and they were very similar than what we are living now. Sometimes I have the impression that we are part of a big experience and everyone, like the people who participated sending their diaries to the Mass-Observation, is part of something very similar. They, the British of 1939 and plus, are like a mirror. Food problems, travels, fears, insecurities, governments orders, restrictions, worries, relations with others, etc, what they lived in those years, minus bombardements that happened in UK, are very similar then what we live. I can see now how in those days a new totalitarianism was being made and how people were super super controlled. Like us.
So this thread is very important, I am sure, something to cherish and protect because this is what is happening now, like a diary with multiple entries from around the world in a very important moment of our History, like in 1939 the people who wrote their diaries were also living witnesses, like us. It is amazing when you think about it.
So this thread is very important, I am sure, something to cherish and protect because this is what is happening now, like a diary with multiple entries from around the world in a very important moment of our History, like in 1939 the people who wrote their diaries were also living witnesses, like us. It is amazing when you think about it.
Yes that makes sense. The push with respect to Corona, the push for radical changes due to the demands in the EU to reduce the CO2 emissions, plus the problems they have administering the issues created by illegal immigration all point in the same direction of more control. The war on terror was just the first step.
@Thebull Yes, you can mix it in a drink, although I usually just put it on a spoon and onto the back of my tongue and down it with water so it doesn't touch my teeth too much.
Thanks Jenn.
RTE the national news station here, had a doctor on yesterday. She said it's the worst virus anyone has ever experienced the biggest health scare crisis the world has seen etc etc be afraid be very afraid. People I would consider informed YouTubers who expose government corruption are recommending her as a source and believe everything she says, she is all for doing what Italy has done, mind virus is right. People are turning to the very source of news they said up to now, was nothing but propaganda
RTE the national news station here, had a doctor on yesterday. She said it's the worst virus anyone has ever experienced the biggest health scare crisis the world has seen etc etc be afraid be very afraid. People I would consider informed YouTubers who expose government corruption are recommending her as a source and believe everything she says, she is all for doing what Italy has done, mind virus is right. People are turning to the very source of news they said up to now, was nothing but propaganda
Most people can keep a cool head when investigating ordinary corruption or even vile and vicious vice (!), but when it comes to creepy bugs that are invisible and might jump on you, people just lose their heads.
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Same in Greece. They are asking for the closing down of all schools, it's trending on Greek Twitter right now #κλειστε_τα_σχολεια_τωρα (close schools now). According to the comments, they don't want what happened to Italy to come to Greece. Btw, some of the same people who declare that love is the answer to the immigrants/refugees and to open the borders, are now asking for the closing of schools
So, from the non-orwellian angle, from the data, kids get less sick to being asymptomatic.
If schools are open in a community experiencing an outbreak and a kid gets it, most if not all the kids in that school are at risk.
The kids not knowing any better will then take the virus to their parents, grand parents and everyone else they come into contact.
This I believe is what they are trying to avoid.
They are trying to bring down the rate of increase of the infection.
Depending on who you listen to, you can either take a reactive or a proactive approach.
The way the virus spreads is this way - first you have isolated cases, then you have clusters of cases, then you have an explosion of cases.
- Reactive approach - you wait for confirmed cases to get beyond a certain threshold before instituting social distancing measures. So you take action when you are in the cluster stage.
- Proactive approach - You start to institute social distancing measures before clusters start to form.... So at the isolated cases stage.
- Keeping their economy going
- Not overloading their health system so need to keep infection rates low
- Need to get R0 to less than 1 (so that on average each infected person is infecting less than 1 person)
Singapore and Hong Kong are very heavy on keeping the R0 down, as soon as they spot an isolated case, they do very heavy contact tracing and the like and isolate all those to try and avoid clusters forming. That's why there daily numbers tend to be less than 10, sometimes 0. They simply aren't messing around - they test heavy and they trace heavy and take appropriate actions at the individual level.
The US by lack of testing is more heavy on keeping the economy going and less heavy on controlling the R0. This means Trump is taking a gamble that the R0 is either naturally low or that something will miraculously mean those infected will magically get well and the hospitals won't get swamped down the line.
Blimey... It's scary what one learns about the science behind epidemics / pandemics by watching countless YouTube videos.
Again, always important to remember how the virus spreads... Don't just look at current numbers. Once clusters start forming, know you're getting awfully close to an explosion of cases. Once the explosion happens, know your hospitals are going to be on high demand. Beyond a certain level, there will be residual negative effects e.g. doctors getting ill, having to triage cases etc. At this point, you're paying economically whether you wanted to or not.
Also always important to know which country you're in... What strategy are they following. What are they valuing? Economy or that magical R0 number? Are they taking a proactive approach (e.g. Singapore) or are they on the reactive side (e.g. Iran).
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The situation here in Ireland is slowly ratcheting up. Herd mentality is kicking in. Despite there only being 20 cases confirmed as of today, as the noise on social media/news/general media increases to 24/7 crisis levels the authorities here are struggling to keep things in due proportion. For my sins I run a theatre that is owned by our local authority, so today I had no choice but to draft an emergency protocol policy in line with theirs (horror of horrors - every paragraph cost me!) that includes non stop hand washing by everyone who enters, no children under 12 allowed into the building if possible, no handshaking (!!!) etc, etc. So here I am doing something I don't believe in and know is nothing but grotesque window dressing because the council are doing the same because the heath authority are doing the same...
This is how the real virus spreads - everyone passing on the buck and yet demanding that everyone play by a single set of rules. So this will only be the start for when that 20 goes to 200 then 2,000 (which it surely will, even if through the use of 'statistics') then the risk of finger pointing alarms will ring, the rules shoot up to impossibly stringent levels and all public buildings will end up closing. The economic cost and the collapse of public confidence in community and togetherness will become systemic. I would have happily posted something on the theatre window saying 'its flu time - as per normal - but with a minor twist, so be sensible and take some care such as drink elderberry tea!' but of course that's impossible - I've already had to control a desire - a strong desire - from my senior team members to panic and go into near voluntary lock down. The programming is unbelievably effective - people seem hungry for it. They are feeding off it - they want a crisis. Types like me become the new enemy - the scapegoat ready to sacrificed outside the city walls! Wont be long now!
This is how the real virus spreads - everyone passing on the buck and yet demanding that everyone play by a single set of rules. So this will only be the start for when that 20 goes to 200 then 2,000 (which it surely will, even if through the use of 'statistics') then the risk of finger pointing alarms will ring, the rules shoot up to impossibly stringent levels and all public buildings will end up closing. The economic cost and the collapse of public confidence in community and togetherness will become systemic. I would have happily posted something on the theatre window saying 'its flu time - as per normal - but with a minor twist, so be sensible and take some care such as drink elderberry tea!' but of course that's impossible - I've already had to control a desire - a strong desire - from my senior team members to panic and go into near voluntary lock down. The programming is unbelievably effective - people seem hungry for it. They are feeding off it - they want a crisis. Types like me become the new enemy - the scapegoat ready to sacrificed outside the city walls! Wont be long now!
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I don't know if anyone has noticed this but Spain has moved from the cluster stage to the explosion stage.
Yesterday they had 399 new cases, today 443. Before this, for a long while they had clusters so usually 40 - 100 per day.
Remember, isolated cases, then clusters, then explosion.
In Spain, the government now has their work cut out. In Spain there is no talk about social distancing.... I should know, I was there last week. Festivals, cultural events and the like are in full swing. People live normally like there is nothing to worry about.
So now, the numbers are exploding and unless the government takes actions like Italy, Spain will soon be facing thousands of cases and their hospitals are about to get busier.
Remember, 2 to 6 weeks from point of infection to needing medical help. So the hospitals won't be busy now but come April, things are going to change in Spanish hospitals.
Yesterday they had 399 new cases, today 443. Before this, for a long while they had clusters so usually 40 - 100 per day.
Remember, isolated cases, then clusters, then explosion.
In Spain, the government now has their work cut out. In Spain there is no talk about social distancing.... I should know, I was there last week. Festivals, cultural events and the like are in full swing. People live normally like there is nothing to worry about.
So now, the numbers are exploding and unless the government takes actions like Italy, Spain will soon be facing thousands of cases and their hospitals are about to get busier.
Remember, 2 to 6 weeks from point of infection to needing medical help. So the hospitals won't be busy now but come April, things are going to change in Spanish hospitals.
Very well said, that's how i feel right now, my opinions regarding the freshly imposed restrictions in entire Italy i keep them to myself now because it seems that most of the people here are cheering and supporting the decisions taken by the government. I don't see myself as a selfish antisocial individual, but, the way the government acted concerning the coronavirus in my opinion is not right on many levels. In the meantime will keep observing as closely as possibly the whole situation on the ground trying not to run in wrong and biased thinking.