Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

Man arrested for hugging. Imagine such a headline a year and a half ago. :-(


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Makes my blood boil!! :curse:
 
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Given that some (or all) of us might be coerced into receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in the future, I was thinking it might be a good idea if we were clear on which vaccine types are less detrimental to our bodies.

This could also be helpful in situations where our family and friends are forced (or eventually decide) to have the vaccine themselves. In such a situation, we could give them suggestions on which vaccines are the lesser of the evils. Even if all that means is suggesting the very dangerous type over the extremely dangerous type.

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_Draft landscape of COVID-19 candidate vaccines

The two currently approved by the CDC are, as we know, RNA. Others in final stages of approval by the CDC are either RNA or DNA based.

I'm going to assume the RNA ones are the worst by a long shot, and the DNA ones aren't much better. There are quite a few protein subunit vaccines being trialed too.

While the British and Chinese researchers are using adenovirus serotype 5, the Russian Sputnik V additionally includes adenovirus serotype 26. This double-vector vaccine, which is a delivery vector hollowed out and filled with the coronavirus genome, is intended to induce a stronger immune response than a single-vector one. I don't have much knowledge of this, but I'm assuming we're just talking different delivery vectors here, all with the goal of introducing viruses into our DNA (with unpredictable results).

So my question is, if you were in a position where you needed to receive a vaccine, and you had prepared a health protocol (as discussed in the separate thread), which type would you consider as the least damaging choice?

I'm thinking it would be the inactivated virus type (which has quite a few in final stages of clinical trials), but I'd be interested to hear what anyone else thinks, including those with more knowledge on the topic.

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I couldn't find it in this thread! :)
 
Nathan said:
Given that some (or all) of us might be coerced into receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in the future, I was thinking it might be a good idea if we were clear on which vaccine types are less detrimental to our bodies.

This could also be helpful in situations where our family and friends are forced (or eventually decide) to have the vaccine themselves. In such a situation, we could give them suggestions on which vaccines are the lesser of the evils. Even if all that means is suggesting the very dangerous type over the extremely dangerous type.

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_Draft landscape of COVID-19 candidate vaccines

The two currently approved by the CDC are, as we know, RNA. Others in final stages of approval by the CDC are either RNA or DNA based.

I'm going to assume the RNA ones are the worst by a long shot, and the DNA ones aren't much better. There are quite a few protein subunit vaccines being trialed too.

While the British and Chinese researchers are using adenovirus serotype 5, the Russian Sputnik V additionally includes adenovirus serotype 26. This double-vector vaccine, which is a delivery vector hollowed out and filled with the coronavirus genome, is intended to induce a stronger immune response than a single-vector one. I don't have much knowledge of this, but I'm assuming we're just talking different delivery vectors here, all with the goal of introducing viruses into our DNA (with unpredictable results).

So my question is, if you were in a position where you needed to receive a vaccine, and you had prepared a health protocol (as discussed in the separate thread), which type would you consider as the least damaging choice?

I'm thinking it would be the inactivated virus type (which has quite a few in final stages of clinical trials), but I'd be interested to hear what anyone else thinks, including those with more knowledge on the topic.

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I couldn't find it in this thread! :)
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I'm not sure it's possible to answer the question directly given that the only options on the table are bad ones.

If you were in a position that you HAD to take the vaccine, then I think they'd have had to go full nazi. At that point of them going full nazi I believe there would be other options on the table than the ones currently presented.

That's just my take.

If a loved one insisted on taking the vaccine then honestly, I'd wish them the best but respect their choice. Whatever option they take will be a bad one and sooner or later there will be a price to pay which they will have no choice but to pay when the time comes. FWIW.

Sadly the options on the table are such that everyone will have to pay a price. You can either choose to pay the price of sticking by your principles or you can choose to pay the price of agreeing to be injected by these concoctions they have cooked up.
 
Ps, if this is the end game we're facing, the final litmus test, then I think one should choose the heroic option which is to stand by their principles and God-given human rights.

The heroes we admire and have admired both in fiction and real life are those men and women who stood by such things and in certain cases paid a heavy price for it. Those are the men and women people remember and celebrate.

No one remembers and celebrates the person who sold out thinking they were getting a good deal but actually in the end ended up still paying a heavy price. To be direct, nobody celebrates a coward. In fiction this reminds me of that guy in the first matrix movie who sold out the rebellion (in this case it's best to see the rebellion as that part of yourself that stands for all that's true, good and righteous). So in essence ultimately you're selling out yourself because you think you're getting a good deal by doing so, at least a better deal than not selling out yourself. We all know how this story of deals with the devil usually ends... The devil, he who is very good at negotiating, coercing, making it appear like you have no choices or options AND ALSO he who's very good at finally claiming all that's owed him once you take his deal(s). If Christianity taught me one thing is the devil never fails to collect (your soul) once you take his deal.

 
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At this moment i am listening on tv to two "experts" explaining the possibility of using 2 different vaccines one after the other to increase the effectiveness and that, related to the cooperation between the astrazeneca vaccine and the Sputnik V.

This makes it clear that such a procedure can trigger a black plague....
 
Another one.

www.breitbart.com

Death of Elderly Swede After Corona Vaccination May Be Investigated

An 84-year-old Swedish man is said to have died of suspected cardiac failure a day after being vaccinated for the Wuhan virus.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com

Of course the media is saying he died because he was old and ill so it had nothing to do with vaccine. Obviously if he died and had tested positive for covid, it won't be because he was old and ill, it'd be because of covid. #logic
 
Joe said:
6 people. Madness
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Blacki said:
I wonder what their aim is to limit meetings to 5-6 people. Of course, beyond the introduction of control, order and awareness that everyone is 'under supervision'.

I wonder if there is anything more behind this, why just five people. It is as they would like PTB to ban the spread of not so much Virus Covid but of knowledge, meetings.
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If there are no gatherings there is no exchange of information or different view then what the goverment and controlled mass media, social networks want you to believe and there is harder to organise resistence in numbers because you are all isolated and everything is tracked, viewed and listened upon. And you get an army of new agents that are ordinary citizens ready to spy for you free of charge and snitch on their neighboors thus creating distance, isolation between people because nobody could be truly trusted, division in other words.

If in that kind of situation would give resignation on the spot, better to be unemployed then nazi in the end. How things are going with those vaccinnes and totalitarian massures maybe it is not so far away, because they said in my country that vaccination is voluntary but it is not excluded that there will be similar measures like in other countries like France for those who refuse and I got tired of this kind of life and this failed clown circus state that I live in, losing tolerance for idiot kind of people.

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It seems that the dehumanizing of the people is really working, isn't it? :-(:curse:
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When majority of people are fueled in their life mostly by fear it is a natural "progression".
 
Windmill knight said:
Man arrested for hugging. Imagine such a headline a year and a half ago. :-(

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Makes my blood boil!! :curse:
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What is that thing over the guy's neck? Is it some sort of ID? What about his female friend?

IMHO, none of these videos should make your blood boil. What I see here is a bunch of people with bad attitude, lashing out at law enforcement - perhaps, stirring up trouble for the sake of it.

This does not come across as an effective strategy - it is more akin to looking for a fight, like a good antisocial. The opposite of 'wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove'.

They have bigger guns. Whatcha gonna do?

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adam7117 said:
What is that thing over the guy's neck? Is it some sort of ID? What about his female friend?

IMHO, none of these videos should make your blood boil. What I see here is a bunch of people with bad attitude, lashing out at law enforcement - perhaps, stirring up trouble for the sake of it.

This does not come across as an effective strategy - it is more akin to looking for a fight, like a good antisocial. The opposite of 'wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove'.

They have bigger guns. Whatcha gonna do?

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This happens every weekend in London.

Some members of the public go out there way to act normal in front of police to showcase their rights. The police in turn act like they are supposed to and arrest / fine the offenders. It's a game where each side has a role.

Personally I think this kind of protest has a place and is actually quite brave and only suited to certain kind of people. Simple acts like hugging, shaking hands or gathering in a park have become revolutionary and only the very brave or crazy would dare do such things in front of the police.
 
SOTTREADER said:
Case in point @adam7117

Fined for playing dominoes


Simple acts have become absolutely revolutionary.
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Yes, indeed - a case in point.

IMHO, the question here is how to effect change. What is the right approach? Would rioting and pissing off the cops be any different from the BLM movement? Smash cars if you feel like it, just do not expect lots of support...
 
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