Could that be a "representative" of the "Quorum" group talking?

I found an interesting 2009 article about the Italian arrest of 2 Japanese nationals accused of attempting to smuggle 134.5 billion in US bonds into Switzerland...the bonds were confiscated leading to this lawsuit.

http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2009/06/the-strange-inconsistencies-behind-the-134-5-billion-bearer-bond-mystery/__

Here’s yet another huge financial story that has been virtually blacked out by the US financial media. Although on the surface, this story appears to be a non-event, if we consider some of the released facts about this case, you will understand why I consider it to be a huge story. On June 8th, the Asia News reported the following story:
“Italy’s financial police (Guardia italiana di Finanza) has seized US bonds worth US 134.5 billion from two Japanese nationals at Chiasso (40 km from Milan) on the border between Italy and Switzerland. They include 249 US Federal Reserve bonds worth US$ 500 million each, plus ten Kennedy bonds and other US government securities worth a billion dollars each. Italian authorities have not yet determined whether they are real or fake, but if they are real the attempt to take them into Switzerland would be the largest financial smuggling operation in history; if they are fake, the matter would be even more mind-boggling because the quality of the counterfeit work is such that the fake bonds are undistinguishable from the real ones.”
Here are just a few fascinating facts about this case (at least they are being reported as “facts” at this current time):
(1) Though the smugglers have been identified in the press as “Japanese nationals” there has yet to be any confirmation if the smugglers were indeed Japanese or of some other ethnicity. How difficult is it to confirm the ethnicity of the smugglers and why is this information being kept secret?
(2) According to a brief Bloomberg article regarding this story, the seized bearer bonds allegedly were dated as of 1934. Since bearer bonds in denominations of $500 million did not exist in 1934, the bonds were deduced as fake, though the Italian police are still waiting for a declaration regarding the bonds’ authenticity from the SEC. There is something truly “off” about this declaration. How can the quality of the forged bearer bonds be so meticulous that they “are undistinguishable from the real ones”, yet the people involved in the alleged forgery so ill-informed as to not date the bearer bonds with a more recent year that would not immediately identify them as fraudulent? How hard would it have been to date the bearer bonds with a more recent year? An equivalent analogy would be if an expert art forger meticulously re-created a Picasso oil canvass and then erroneously signed the work with the wrong artist’s name. This story just does not add up.
(3) The Bloomberg story also reported that there is no known existence of the alleged 10 Kennedy bonds that were discovered in the smuggler’s suitcases, each with a denomination of $1 billion. Again, this discovery defies any logical explanation. Why would expert counterfeiters make 249 bearer bonds with denominations of $500 million apiece, each undistinguishable from the real thing, and then instead of just making 20 more such bonds, decide to make 10 bonds in denominations of $1 billion a piece in a bearer bond design that has never existed? Were the alleged counterfeiters just too lazy to confirm if Kennedy bearer bonds were ever a legitimately issued security? Again, this story makes no sense.
(4) On March 30, 2009, the US Treasury Department announced that USD $134.5 billion remained in its Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). The stated amount of seized bearer bonds was $134.5 billion. Coincidence?
(5) The two well-dressed Japanese men opted to travel to Chiasso on a local train normally full of Italian manual laborers commuting to Switzerland. If they were really intent on successfully smuggling these bonds, counterfeit or real, why would they not take more care to select a travel route in which it was literally impossible for them not to stick out like two sore thumbs? Again, this part of the story defies all logic.
(6) The bearer bonds were discovered in a hidden briefcase compartment after a customs inspection. Again, if the bonds were indeed authentic and owned by a nation state, they could have been transported in a diplomatic pouch exempt from customs searches that would have guaranteed transport without detection.
Thus, all of the above irreconcilable and illogical points, other than the coincidence of the amount of the bearer bonds exactly matching the remaining TARP fund amount declared on March 30th, seem to indicate that not only were the seized bearer bonds counterfeit, but also that the smugglers were intent on being caught. .....

the AsiaIT article mentioned in previous article

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/US-government-securities-seized-from-Japanese-nationals,-not-clear-whether-real-or-fake-15456.html__

another article about the same incident that has a photo of the bonds. Apparently the same photo displayed on DC website

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2009-06-11/wall_street/29982351_1_finanza-government-securities-fake-bonds__
 
The question I can't seem to get out of my head...If the bonds were fake, what hope would they ever have of cashing them in? No bank would ever process that kind of money without confirming its authenticity.

There is certainly a real story here, IMO. Not that this proves anything about "unbelievable" amounts of gold stored all over the place or this Dragon group of "Whitehats" coming to save the day. Maybe Wilcock and all are riding the coattails of an authentic conspiracy. Nothing like a little truth to mix with disinfo to get people going. Heck, I feel like I'm pushing my powers of discernment to the max.

As far as this lawsuit goes, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Seraphina said:
The question I can't seem to get out of my head...If the bonds were fake, what hope would they ever have of cashing them in? No bank would ever process that kind of money without confirming its authenticity.

There is certainly a real story here, IMO. Not that this proves anything about "unbelievable" amounts of gold stored all over the place or this Dragon group of "Whitehats" coming to save the day. Maybe Wilcock and all are riding the coattails of an authentic conspiracy. Nothing like a little truth to mix with disinfo to get people going. Heck, I feel like I'm pushing my powers of discernment to the max.

As far as this lawsuit goes, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
That was a real interesting find Seraphina (cool name btw). "I" also think there is something to this, but one must be able to discern all the BS to find the interesting tid bits.

If the society of the white dragon or was it white lotus? exists (man this is really starting to sound like a movie) and they are who Benjamin Fullord say they are, then those two couriers could have been sendiing a message to the other faction. Since the economy is how the world is dominated and controlled right know, their ability to flawlessly duplicate those bonds, is a fatal weapon to the psychopathic economic system that exists, and has existed for over a century.

In light of what happened, & is happening in Japan. It is interesting, that it was an Israeli company that was doing security for the Fukushima Daichi Nuclear Power plant. Message sent, recieved, and understood, now here's our reply kind of thing.

But the Asian countries are in their own mess, China is drowning in the results of economic "prosperity," Japan is now a radioactive wasteland, etc.

"I" might just be reading too much into this though, but just my thoughts, FWIW.
 
From what I've read about it so far, although the story of the japanese guys being stopped at the swiss border with the bonds is true, the whole case brought up by Keenan with Dal Bosco is all a farce and pure disinfo. Leo Zagami, who was also involved in the case and is mentioned in Keenan's correpsondence said Keenan actually works for the CIA and feeds Fulford with misinformaton. (after minute 9 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ApL0Tx-Ug).

Then of course you have guys like Wilcock who take the opportunity to publicise themselves like he did in his most recent interview with Kerry Cassidy where he enacted this whole sharade with the usual "this is the most important piece of info on the planet and they are going to kill me because of it". He then just might disappear for a couple of days and resurrect on the third....That's how I'm seeing it anyway.
 
Eboard10 said:
From what I've read about it so far, although the story of the japanese guys being stopped at the swiss border with the bonds is true, the whole case brought up by Keenan with Dal Bosco is all a farce and pure disinfo. Leo Zagami, who was also involved in the case and is mentioned in Keenan's correpsondence said Keenan actually works for the CIA and feeds Fulford with misinformaton. (after minute 9 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ApL0Tx-Ug).

Then of course you have guys like Wilcock who take the opportunity to publicise themselves like he did in his most recent interview with Kerry Cassidy where he enacted this whole sharade with the usual "this is the most important piece of info on the planet and they are going to kill me because of it". He then just might disappear for a couple of days and resurrect on the third....That's how I'm seeing it anyway.
agree with that Eboard10. Tangled web indeed.
 
transientP said:
Seraphina,

Creepy McWeirdo

:D :D

can i adopt that one ?
:cool2:

Absolutely! Open source snarkery :thup:

bngenoh said:
That was a real interesting find Seraphina (cool name btw).

Funny thing about that name...I adopted that moniker in my teens upon the birth of the internet...back in the days of AOL chatrooms. I was fascinated with this particular group of angels. Now I equate them with 6D entities like the C's. Seraphim were the fiery ones (light beings?) with 6 wings (6D) and covered with eyes.
 
You are wrong. I am a Quorum representative.

parallel said:
I believe it was "more secret than UFO's", but anyways it's the strangest broadcast with a strange caller giving off the impression he is an insider. I couldn't stomach beyond 20 minutes, something very sick about the vibe of program. David Topi do you mean D. Wilcock is quorum or the caller?

Indeed I felt the same vibe from it.
 
Let me make here a definition of discernment, to be clear that it is necessary to reflect and differentiate the true from the false before starting a debate which I think is leading nowhere.

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=246&lsel=

In general usage, discernment means good judgement, seeing things for what they are. The word is often used in the context of seeing the difference between right and wrong or true and false. In religious discourse, discernment specifically means distinguishing between different spiritual influences.

We could say that building discernment is the core of esoteric work. If being is like the light which illumines man's inner world and allows it to be seen and to act as a coherent whole, discernment is the act of seeing by this light.

Discernment is a sense for the true nature of things. Discernment is a skill or ability rather than the state of possessing information. Discernment may apply to all manifestations of the universe, as they all ultimately derive from archetypal sources. Discernment cannot be codified into a set of universally applicable rules but it can be learned through practice. While some general principles exist, all situations are unique. Discernment is the capacity to see what is applicable to what. Discernment, as knowledge itself, is infinitely varied and all-encompassing. Discernment does not occur in a vacuum, it is always in relation to a situation, a phenomenon or message.

Discernment has to do with awareness of context. In 4th Way discourse, we could say that discernment is the capacity to correctly see the three forces, active, passive and neutralizing as they apply to a situation.

The concept of discernment has a supersensible element, as in a spontaneous apprehension of what is true and what false. This is an attribute that is strengthened along the path of esoteric development. After the fact, it is often possible to say which signs or criteria of judgement led to which conclusion, yet discernment cannot be reduced to applying checklists to phenomena or situations.

Discernment is necessary for making sense of any esoteric writings. The first difficulty is external: The writings have been deliberately twisted along the line of transmission or the cultural context is not properly understood, giving rise to faulty interpretation of any allegories, not to mention errors of translation between languages. The second difficulty persists even if the first were overcome: Words have multiple meanings, for example ‘I' in one sentence may mean something completely other than in another. The problem is compounded if comparing different sources.

Discernment applies to man's inner life as well as to outer manifestations. For example, Gurdjieff says that self-love isolates man from reality and prevents esoteric development. Yet a different part of the self must be of great worth and loved a great deal in order to justify the efforts made on its behalf in the Work. Suffering of one sort is wasted energy, merely feeding the moon, yet other suffering is absolutely necessary for obtaining anything. Distinguishing between the parts of self concerned and the types of effort and suffering is an example of discernment applied to inner life. Each of these has its proper 'taste,' which must be linked to the terms used in the teaching before the teaching comes to life.

Examples of discernment applied to the outer world include seeing through the lies and misrepresentations of politics without the veil of wishful thinking. Even further, discernment applies to what is or is not known. Discernment is the opposite of belief or obsession, it is an ever-vigilant state, knowing the limits of its own knowledge. Another application is seeing the patterns of history through the layers of disinformation accumulated at each retelling. Another application is extracting information of value from esoteric or channeled sources. Even if an invariably truthful source of information existed, the information would be of little value without the capacity of discernment which would confirm its truth, thus making the information the receiver's own.

We could say that the principal aim of the QFS is practicing and teaching discernment as applies to both inner and outer contents. Only if the world is seen for what it is is it possible to choose one's way and act in favor of this choice. In this sense, all begins with discernment of both one's circumstance as well as of one's inner nature. All that follows calls for increasingly refined discernment between influences, situations and choices.
 
Within the already convoluted maze of this story about the bonds, is the story about Hal Turner. He was a New Jersey radio shock jock that was supposedly a key player in breaking the story about the bonds in the U.S on his internet broadcast, Turner Radio Network (TRN).

AsiaNews
TRN stated that the two Japanese men arrested by the Guardia di Finanza (GdF) and then released in Ponte Chiasso were employees of the Japanese Ministry for Treasury. AsiaNews had also received similar reports: one of the two Japanese arrested in Chiasso and then released is Tuneo Yamauchi, is the brother of Toshiro Muto, until recently vice governor of the Bank of Japan. On its website, the creator and presenter of the Radio, Hal Turner, had also claimed that his sources had revealed that the Italian authorities believe the evidence to be authentic and that the two Japanese officials are from the Japanese Ministry for Finance.

He is currently serving a 33 month sentence for a 2010 conviction for inciting violence against some politicians. He claims his conviction to be retaliation for publicly breaking the bond story, " Hal Turner claims that his arrest is political and it is in relation to the securities seized in Chiasso, because the authorities are terrified by his revelations of the bonds' authenticity".

Hal Turner is a white supremacist, with strong ties to Fox's Sean Hannity, especially regarding the Obama, Jeramiah Wright fiasco. He is also alleged to be an FBI informant and agent provacateur, according to emails recovered by the hacker group Anonymous between Turner and Stephen Haug http://pastebin.com/f640d724d. It is claimed that Hannity had given Turner a special number to call into his show so that he would always get through.

Stephen Haug has a profile on LinkedIn...Special Agent and Bomb Technician http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-haug/16/502/244

OpEdNews piece about Hannity and Turner http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_walter_u_080327_hannity_2c_clinton_2c_ob.htm

The "family of Hal Turner" have posted a claim of Turner's recruitment by the FBI, in which the FBI allegedly discloses to Turner that Israel was in fact behind 911 and require his assistance in baiting the Israeli agents to react to his anti-Semite proclamations that would, "allow the JTTF to identify ADL/AIPAC infiltrators and plug the information leaks".

More can be read here _http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com/2010/03/hal-turners-first-mission-for-fbi.html

Ouch, my brain hurts now, I think it's time for a :cool2:
 
The gist of the gold story that I'm getting....

Asian royalty had control of most of the world's gold (85%), European royalty (Bilderbergers, Rothschilds, et al.) wanted to gain control of it to prevent it from being part of the world financial system. WW2 was staged to gain access. They took control of it from the Chinese (under the premise of protection from Japan stealing it), and issued bonds to retrieve their gold later after 60 years time, but in fact had no intention of honoring those bonds, because giving the gold back would mean the failure of the Western control of the world financial system...the dollar, Euro, etc. They also acquired gold that the Japanese had actually stolen from China.

According to Keenan “The roots of this case go back to between 1927 and 1938, when, under arrangements made between T.V. Soong (Finance Minister of China) and Henry Morgethau, Secretary of the Treasury, The United States Government purchased some 50 million ounces of silver and leased vast amounts of gold from the Nationalist Chinese Government, known as Kuomintang. For all the treasure handed in, certificates were given to those who surrendered their precious metals.”

The 60 years was up in '98 and the Chinese owners of the gold sued the Federal Reserve Board at the International Court of Justice at the Hague to get their gold back, they said they didn't have it, but it was ruled that the were supposed to get their gold back starting on Sept. 12, 2001. (I am, at this time, unable to find any corroborating evidence of this ruling anywhere other than the standard conspiracy sites, most roads lead to Fulford)


The Dragon Society supposedly intended for the Bonds to be intercepted in Italy to bring these things out into the open in the form of this lawsuit that has just been filed in Federal Court.
 
Getting back to the original question, I seriously doubt that any member of the "Quorum" would ever communicate in such a way as via a cheesy conspiracy nut type show.
 
Indeed, I have seen supposedly members of the Illuminati, but none from the Quorum so... well how can we know if they exist.
 
Prometeo said:
Indeed, I have seen supposedly members of the Illuminati,

Make that "supposedly" the operative term.

Prometeo said:
but none from the Quorum so... well how can we know if they exist.

We don't. That's why asking the question is rather like asking where was the stone that Excalibur was thrust into until Arthur removed it...? or where did the Israelites cross the Red Sea...? or where did Romulus and Remus jump over the wall?
 

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