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Angelo
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I'm not surprised by the reaction to what I've posted, and it seems I have a lot of work ahead of me in replying. I'll attempt to address those points I deem most central in the best way I can. I'll start with Ark's post first.
This was the spark that set the blaze: We are all organic portals.
In the same way it could be said that we are all atoms. But that kind of general statement does not carry any useful information. Information comes by classification. Also note that the ideas that "find voice" here are most definitely not "general world conceptualizations." - Ark
The 'ideas' that find voice here are indeed fragments of generalized world concepts. Ideas are like proteins in the mental environment, alone they represent only a fragment of an individuals perspective, together they actually form mental organs. Everyone has a world conception, or what has been termed a 'cosmology'. This cannot be proved false, for everyone on earth has some sort of idea amalgam which colors their overall perception. Everyone exists within a general interpretive position which is their world concept.
The 'world concept' as organ is made up of filaments and proteins - thoughts and ideas, which through the process of 'gnosis', or 'self-realization', preciptate organs of perception, imagination and conceptualization. These thought organs allow further conceptual frameworks to take shape as thoughts congeal into fields of thought 'forms' called concepts.
Most of humanity has a very poorly developed conceptual depth, thus, humanity suffers the inevitable myosis of underdeveloped organs of perception, and hence, shallow thinking.
Ark, your comment above hovers only about the surface of things. You see classifications when comprehensively designed world views are intended to penetrate to the interaction between what would otherwise seem like disparate, separate and classified fields of information. If I say that we are all organic portals, it is like stating that we all have lungs, or hearts. So yes, it is a very general statement, one that does however carry very pertinent and useful information, for under the general assumption in this forum the 'organic portal' is 'classified' as a very specific psychological condition, when in fact it is not a psychological condition at all, but a generalized human reality.
You did not define what a "portal" is. A door in a room is a portal. You did not define "etheric". Alcohol is an etheric substance. - Ark
In fact, I did 'define' both of these terms in my previous posts. Have you read them?
It is through this portal, each designed as a unique configuration, that we as entities, or souls, entered into physical being. - Angelo
Now, you say "we". A computer can also be taught to say 'we". But there is a difference between a computer and a dog, for instance. There are different kinds of "wes". The devil is in the details. - Ark
How can I consider such logic as this, this is pure sophistry. I'm sorry, but this is hardly sensible. When I refer to 'we' as entities I am referring to the sentient soul which indwells us all. That animating force which in the human constitution is 'individuated' and self propelled.
You did not define "soul". Without a definition, a processor in a computer can be considered it's "soul". But the problem of a soul is a different one. We are having in mind here different kinds of 'souls". - Ark
The soul is the animating force/energy within all life forms that is always in search of higher understanding and expression. It is the soul consciousness that divests itself into human or otherwise physical vehicles in order to collect experiences that evolve and transform its understanding and appreciation of existence. The soul is a fragment of the Universal Spirit which seeks self reflection through the higher order genetic membranes of the physical world.
This sentient component, through our astral linkage, literally holds open a portal to the spiritual world, making each and everyone of us an 'organic portal' and 'channel'.- Angelo
The point is that some channel life, while others channel death. Some want to "give", while others want to "take". The devil is in the details. - Ark
While I disagree with your general direction and mindset, I would say to the above that you are correct. I stated such in the quote you highlighted below which makes me wonder why you brought it up as a point of contention to begin with. Here is what I said:
The next assessment than is this. Into which 'spiritual' domain do we channel our frequency, and from which spiritual domain do we derive our core identity.
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In the realm of spirit there are vast conglomerates of energy that can be considered self serving, and thus, the idea of the 'organic portal' as it pertains to psychopathy may indeed be derived from a partial knowledge of this spiritual landscape. - Angelo
I experience the type of responses I am receiving here quite often. The respondee replies point by point without having immersed themselves in the entire contextual field. Rather than exploring the entire post, or posts, with an eye to context and theme, small details are extracted out of context and diverted into channels that have little relevance to the overall discussion.
Psychopathy is one thing. It is a rather well described category. Organic portals is a hypothesis, of a different kind. There is no direct or simple relation between the two. - Ark
'There is no direct relation between the two'....Can I quote this when forum members use the terms interchangeably?
Organic portals, if they exist, may be very of very kind nature. People with souls (if they exist) may behave like psychopaths. You are mixing two different categories. The devil is in the details. - Ark
Am I? I tend to think not. I am clarifying what has become a state of confusion. And Ark, people with souls DO exist.
Organic portals is a hypothesis, based on another hypothesis, namely the one that such a thing as a "soul" exists, and that "some people" have souls. This leaves open the possibility that some don't. Then comes the question what is so particular about "souls" and this is a very difficult and open problem. - same as the problem of the existence of a "soul". - Ark
It may seem a very difficult 'problem', perhaps it is, though anyone claiming apparent difficulty would be wise to listen as they continue their trek upon the path of heart.
There is a belief, among certain african tribes, that the birth of a human being actually takes place in the mind of the father. That during the period of 'conception' the father has the very important role of developing and conceptualizing the portal identity through which life will emerge. In this way it was very important to the tribe that very specific qualities be emphasized so that the incoming life would be of benefit to the group dynamic as a whole. Also in this way, the more profound the conceptualization, or more accurately, the more incisive the fathers ability to conceptualize and develop insight, the more 'advanced', as a tribal member, the child would be. - Angelo
Well, there is a belief, among certain african tribes, that eating human flesh is beneficial. Many of them believe that old women can kill cattle by looking at them sideways, for example. For some reason you are quoting from some african tribes, skipping other african tribes. - Ark
I see.
Can you imagine that two tribes may be so different from one another that they actually exist within different experiential domains? Can you envision an investigator quoting a research finding about the dangers of genetically modified organisms, issued by some university, and then being condemned by the media for not having also quoted other research stating the opposite, that findings also show gmo's actually improve health?
It happens all the time. Its the establishments way of down playing findings they simply don't agree with for reasons they alone decide credible. Taken out of context the gmo debate can actually be made to seem like a rational and balanced debate, though 'in context' (dead butterflies, dead cows, intestinal diseases as epidemic, cancerous mice) it becomes quite apparent that there are some glaring inconsistencies in the establishment position.
I don't want to highlight every belief system streaming from every African tribe, this is an absolutely preposterous argument. I am presenting what I feel is a highly substantiated belief of conceptual potentials and visualization as a means of life direction. You are purposely dismantling the structure of my words and twisting them to fit your agenda.
The belief as stated above has many correlations with scientific findings of the naturalistic kind. I know that potentials are filled with an energetic substance that has come to be called intention. Physicists are already discussing the ability of intention to alter subatomic structures and hence reality. What position are you defending?
It is known already that the mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the mother, this line of constancy is what keeps the genetic line stable. The father on the other hand brings forth a genetic adaptability which is the seed of change and diversity. This seed brings change to an otherwise static system and exists not only as a physical form but also as an ethereal seed conception in the mind. This is a very important line of thought. - Angelo
There are no hard and fast rules. While there are statistical studies of influence of the genes, there are always exceptions. Moreover the relation, if any, of the genes to the "soul" is not clear, though it is hypothesized. You are just stating a different hypothesis. - Ark
The 'relation if any'?
What makes my 'so-called' hypothesis less acceptable than yours? In truth, I would argue that my premise is hardly a hypothesis at all. I know that the physiology reacts to causal implications, that the genetic code morphs and re-arranges itself according to perceptual orientation. Just as the genome reacts to electromagnetic fields, radioactive essences and so on, all highly substantial and verifiable by naturalistic science, so to does it react to the gravitational field emitted by the heart and mind, each of which have been measured and quantified.
Mitochondrial dna and its properties upon genetic unfoldment has in itself been very extensively studied, its a very highly interesting field of learning.
What position are you defending Ark?
It has been said among the Toltecs that women can indeed create life without the male energy, though the result of this system of energetic reproduction would bring forth only clones undifferentiated from one another. Here it is seen that the mother provides the matrix of constancy and fixation, or the fractal web, which allows the fathers departing seed to germinate the unfolding of this constancy, giving it motion and 'fluidity'. - Angelo
Toltecs: "They practiced human sacrifice and the use of the "tzompantli", the rack where the skulls of the dead were hung." For some reasons you quote one thing about Toltecs while skipping the other things. Why should we care about Toltecs? - Ark
'Americans' set up concentration camps and torture Arab peoples by raping them, beating them and torturing them for pleasure.
Do you see the problem here?
What Toltec lineage are you referring to and during which time period? It was not my intention to dig out the specifics of a people who developed a very powerful spiritual knowledge that was most definitely, without question, abused by some. There has always been a struggle against those who would wrestle control for their own devices, no different was it for the Toltecs, that mighty lineage that carries such profound insight into both the higher and lower realms. I do care about the Toltec world concept, it is an organ of great age and wisdom, tried by deception and insight, a valuable key to humanities past and future.
The father provides diversity, the mother constancy. - Angelo
What kind of diversity? What kind of constancy? What about people that are constant in their diversity and diverse in their constancy? - Ark
Fractal geometries are the precursor to a new understanding of human relationships and spiritual processes. When you view a fractal as composed by the aide of a computer program which adds infinite depth, infinite potential, one can follow the unfolding fractal inward or outward ad infinitum. If we recognize that the fractal itself is the 2 dimensional representation of the hologram which casts out the fractal of 3 dimensional space/time in all directions, we understand the holographic principle to a certain degree. The fractal, though changing its geometrical appearance, remains constant, it remains fixed as an extension of what came previous and what will come after. This is a simplified conceptual visualization of the matrix of 3 dimensional space/time. Constant yet changing in appearance. This constancy connects all times and places by a thread of continuation referred to as space.
It is the gravity bodies and worlds in space, and their movement, which provides us with time. These gravity bodies are the result of an initial 'release' of potential - recall 'mind and potential' as I referenced it above. The mind of the universe gave birth to the dream, which finds fulfillment in the womb of emptiness. The African tribes belief in mind born children begins to take on some pretty stupendous parallels, when we consider the implications of intention and the formation of worlds in what has been referred to as the Universal Mind.
Time has for millennia been referred to as being male, here is a wiki quote:
In the physical body time is referred to as metabolism, the rate of exchange and movement of cell division, cell communication and cell death. Metabolism can both speed up and slow down according to various factors and exists within particular parameters known as homeostasis. When the metabolism, or body time slows down or speeds up too dramatically the constancy of homeostasis is broken and the space/time arrangement of the body begins to disintegrate. The fractal loses coherence. Here is an excerpt on the mitochondria and metabolism:
Seeing as the Star Wars theme is acceptable around here I'll provide an interesting wiki quote about what we're talking about (bolds are mine):
Trees without undrstanding have genetic codes too. Their code is being orchestrated? By who or what? By the wind? - Ark
Is this what you consider logical discussion?
Trees do indeed have 'understanding'. They have an in-built intelligence that relates their environment to their internal apparatus in a language all their own.
Here is a quote:
And even more heretical, that the traditional roles of male and female are actually based to a large extent upon energetic facts and not on an illusory struggle between male and female.
Why should there be any struggle between male and female? There can be harmony as well. - Ark
Exactly.
Sometimes visualization helps, often it does not. There are studies showing the opposite of what you are claiming that you do not quote. Visualization does not help change the external reality particularly when the visualization is orthogonal to the objective facts. Imagery may help to motivate us to do something. But there is not much mystery about that. Imagine as much as you want that the Earth stops moving tomorrow, use all the available "scientifically verified methods", and I assure you that you will fail. Get 100 of your friends to imagine with you and I can still assure you that you will fail. - Ark
Your position here is very typical. I agree with your assertion on the surface, though you omit the subtle components of the discussion. What you have said in no way refutes any of the research into the field of human potentials. There is much I do not agree with myself in terms of the definition of findings, but one thing is for sure, the human creative element as it impacts the external world as a causal force is only in its infancy, in a seed stage if you will. Just as naturalistic science was in the seed stage during the renaissance, a form of investigation we somehow feel existed as a human component from the beginning! This is a process.
Humans have always unknowingly affected the Universe by every act and thought they articulate or even consider. Realistic, comprehensively responsible, omni-system-considerate, unselfish thinking on the part of humans does absolutely affect human destiny. Buckminster Fuller
You also skipped over commenting on my last sentence which I'll highlight:
Now the question of universal applications and the ethical and moral implications of what is best 'imaged' is best saved for another time. -Angelo
It is the degree to which we align ourselves to the Universal Need, here referred to as 'service to others', that determines the strength of our visions and causal force.
With this line of reasoning I would suggest that psychopathy is not so much a genetic pre-determined process but an evolving and changing social dynamic which can spread like a disease through the minds eye of humanity. - Angelo
Social dynamics is one thing. Genetic features is another thing. Both have their place. Here you mix apples and oranges. - Ark
When your making a meal its good to blend flavors or else all goes bland. You seem to be very enmeshed in the science of specialization, though simultaneously disregard the more comprehensive aspect of integrated solutions. 'Social dynamics' have a great deal to do with genetic preponderances, that's why genetic research and genetic profiling as well as bloodlines, interbreeding and hybridization is so important to the on-going plan to conform humanity into a collective homogenous state.
http://www.govtech.net/magazine/visions/nov99vision/mcluhan/mcluhan.php
I feel very strongly that we are all borderline psychopathic, in that the culture that greets us everyday is a constant weight and threat to our more innate spiritual assertiveness. - Angelo
Some of us are probably borderline psychopathic. Some others are probably not. The devil, as always, is in the details. - Ark
You see, I sense an underlying ill intent in your post Ark. An anger. Can you see your little devils?
Much Love,
Angelo
This was the spark that set the blaze: We are all organic portals.
In the same way it could be said that we are all atoms. But that kind of general statement does not carry any useful information. Information comes by classification. Also note that the ideas that "find voice" here are most definitely not "general world conceptualizations." - Ark
The 'ideas' that find voice here are indeed fragments of generalized world concepts. Ideas are like proteins in the mental environment, alone they represent only a fragment of an individuals perspective, together they actually form mental organs. Everyone has a world conception, or what has been termed a 'cosmology'. This cannot be proved false, for everyone on earth has some sort of idea amalgam which colors their overall perception. Everyone exists within a general interpretive position which is their world concept.
The 'world concept' as organ is made up of filaments and proteins - thoughts and ideas, which through the process of 'gnosis', or 'self-realization', preciptate organs of perception, imagination and conceptualization. These thought organs allow further conceptual frameworks to take shape as thoughts congeal into fields of thought 'forms' called concepts.
Most of humanity has a very poorly developed conceptual depth, thus, humanity suffers the inevitable myosis of underdeveloped organs of perception, and hence, shallow thinking.
Ark, your comment above hovers only about the surface of things. You see classifications when comprehensively designed world views are intended to penetrate to the interaction between what would otherwise seem like disparate, separate and classified fields of information. If I say that we are all organic portals, it is like stating that we all have lungs, or hearts. So yes, it is a very general statement, one that does however carry very pertinent and useful information, for under the general assumption in this forum the 'organic portal' is 'classified' as a very specific psychological condition, when in fact it is not a psychological condition at all, but a generalized human reality.
You did not define what a "portal" is. A door in a room is a portal. You did not define "etheric". Alcohol is an etheric substance. - Ark
In fact, I did 'define' both of these terms in my previous posts. Have you read them?
It is through this portal, each designed as a unique configuration, that we as entities, or souls, entered into physical being. - Angelo
Now, you say "we". A computer can also be taught to say 'we". But there is a difference between a computer and a dog, for instance. There are different kinds of "wes". The devil is in the details. - Ark
How can I consider such logic as this, this is pure sophistry. I'm sorry, but this is hardly sensible. When I refer to 'we' as entities I am referring to the sentient soul which indwells us all. That animating force which in the human constitution is 'individuated' and self propelled.
You did not define "soul". Without a definition, a processor in a computer can be considered it's "soul". But the problem of a soul is a different one. We are having in mind here different kinds of 'souls". - Ark
The soul is the animating force/energy within all life forms that is always in search of higher understanding and expression. It is the soul consciousness that divests itself into human or otherwise physical vehicles in order to collect experiences that evolve and transform its understanding and appreciation of existence. The soul is a fragment of the Universal Spirit which seeks self reflection through the higher order genetic membranes of the physical world.
This sentient component, through our astral linkage, literally holds open a portal to the spiritual world, making each and everyone of us an 'organic portal' and 'channel'.- Angelo
The point is that some channel life, while others channel death. Some want to "give", while others want to "take". The devil is in the details. - Ark
While I disagree with your general direction and mindset, I would say to the above that you are correct. I stated such in the quote you highlighted below which makes me wonder why you brought it up as a point of contention to begin with. Here is what I said:
The next assessment than is this. Into which 'spiritual' domain do we channel our frequency, and from which spiritual domain do we derive our core identity.
...
In the realm of spirit there are vast conglomerates of energy that can be considered self serving, and thus, the idea of the 'organic portal' as it pertains to psychopathy may indeed be derived from a partial knowledge of this spiritual landscape. - Angelo
I experience the type of responses I am receiving here quite often. The respondee replies point by point without having immersed themselves in the entire contextual field. Rather than exploring the entire post, or posts, with an eye to context and theme, small details are extracted out of context and diverted into channels that have little relevance to the overall discussion.
Psychopathy is one thing. It is a rather well described category. Organic portals is a hypothesis, of a different kind. There is no direct or simple relation between the two. - Ark
'There is no direct relation between the two'....Can I quote this when forum members use the terms interchangeably?
Organic portals, if they exist, may be very of very kind nature. People with souls (if they exist) may behave like psychopaths. You are mixing two different categories. The devil is in the details. - Ark
Am I? I tend to think not. I am clarifying what has become a state of confusion. And Ark, people with souls DO exist.
Organic portals is a hypothesis, based on another hypothesis, namely the one that such a thing as a "soul" exists, and that "some people" have souls. This leaves open the possibility that some don't. Then comes the question what is so particular about "souls" and this is a very difficult and open problem. - same as the problem of the existence of a "soul". - Ark
It may seem a very difficult 'problem', perhaps it is, though anyone claiming apparent difficulty would be wise to listen as they continue their trek upon the path of heart.
There is a belief, among certain african tribes, that the birth of a human being actually takes place in the mind of the father. That during the period of 'conception' the father has the very important role of developing and conceptualizing the portal identity through which life will emerge. In this way it was very important to the tribe that very specific qualities be emphasized so that the incoming life would be of benefit to the group dynamic as a whole. Also in this way, the more profound the conceptualization, or more accurately, the more incisive the fathers ability to conceptualize and develop insight, the more 'advanced', as a tribal member, the child would be. - Angelo
Well, there is a belief, among certain african tribes, that eating human flesh is beneficial. Many of them believe that old women can kill cattle by looking at them sideways, for example. For some reason you are quoting from some african tribes, skipping other african tribes. - Ark
I see.
Can you imagine that two tribes may be so different from one another that they actually exist within different experiential domains? Can you envision an investigator quoting a research finding about the dangers of genetically modified organisms, issued by some university, and then being condemned by the media for not having also quoted other research stating the opposite, that findings also show gmo's actually improve health?
It happens all the time. Its the establishments way of down playing findings they simply don't agree with for reasons they alone decide credible. Taken out of context the gmo debate can actually be made to seem like a rational and balanced debate, though 'in context' (dead butterflies, dead cows, intestinal diseases as epidemic, cancerous mice) it becomes quite apparent that there are some glaring inconsistencies in the establishment position.
I don't want to highlight every belief system streaming from every African tribe, this is an absolutely preposterous argument. I am presenting what I feel is a highly substantiated belief of conceptual potentials and visualization as a means of life direction. You are purposely dismantling the structure of my words and twisting them to fit your agenda.
The belief as stated above has many correlations with scientific findings of the naturalistic kind. I know that potentials are filled with an energetic substance that has come to be called intention. Physicists are already discussing the ability of intention to alter subatomic structures and hence reality. What position are you defending?
It is known already that the mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the mother, this line of constancy is what keeps the genetic line stable. The father on the other hand brings forth a genetic adaptability which is the seed of change and diversity. This seed brings change to an otherwise static system and exists not only as a physical form but also as an ethereal seed conception in the mind. This is a very important line of thought. - Angelo
There are no hard and fast rules. While there are statistical studies of influence of the genes, there are always exceptions. Moreover the relation, if any, of the genes to the "soul" is not clear, though it is hypothesized. You are just stating a different hypothesis. - Ark
The 'relation if any'?
What makes my 'so-called' hypothesis less acceptable than yours? In truth, I would argue that my premise is hardly a hypothesis at all. I know that the physiology reacts to causal implications, that the genetic code morphs and re-arranges itself according to perceptual orientation. Just as the genome reacts to electromagnetic fields, radioactive essences and so on, all highly substantial and verifiable by naturalistic science, so to does it react to the gravitational field emitted by the heart and mind, each of which have been measured and quantified.
Mitochondrial dna and its properties upon genetic unfoldment has in itself been very extensively studied, its a very highly interesting field of learning.
What position are you defending Ark?
It has been said among the Toltecs that women can indeed create life without the male energy, though the result of this system of energetic reproduction would bring forth only clones undifferentiated from one another. Here it is seen that the mother provides the matrix of constancy and fixation, or the fractal web, which allows the fathers departing seed to germinate the unfolding of this constancy, giving it motion and 'fluidity'. - Angelo
Toltecs: "They practiced human sacrifice and the use of the "tzompantli", the rack where the skulls of the dead were hung." For some reasons you quote one thing about Toltecs while skipping the other things. Why should we care about Toltecs? - Ark
'Americans' set up concentration camps and torture Arab peoples by raping them, beating them and torturing them for pleasure.
Do you see the problem here?
What Toltec lineage are you referring to and during which time period? It was not my intention to dig out the specifics of a people who developed a very powerful spiritual knowledge that was most definitely, without question, abused by some. There has always been a struggle against those who would wrestle control for their own devices, no different was it for the Toltecs, that mighty lineage that carries such profound insight into both the higher and lower realms. I do care about the Toltec world concept, it is an organ of great age and wisdom, tried by deception and insight, a valuable key to humanities past and future.
The father provides diversity, the mother constancy. - Angelo
What kind of diversity? What kind of constancy? What about people that are constant in their diversity and diverse in their constancy? - Ark
Fractal geometries are the precursor to a new understanding of human relationships and spiritual processes. When you view a fractal as composed by the aide of a computer program which adds infinite depth, infinite potential, one can follow the unfolding fractal inward or outward ad infinitum. If we recognize that the fractal itself is the 2 dimensional representation of the hologram which casts out the fractal of 3 dimensional space/time in all directions, we understand the holographic principle to a certain degree. The fractal, though changing its geometrical appearance, remains constant, it remains fixed as an extension of what came previous and what will come after. This is a simplified conceptual visualization of the matrix of 3 dimensional space/time. Constant yet changing in appearance. This constancy connects all times and places by a thread of continuation referred to as space.
Although male mitochondria does downshift from time to time it is an abnormality and is associated with mitochondrian diseases. We can view the constancy of populations over time through the female, through the womb, like a freeze frame of a fractal in motion. The motion itself, or time, the movement of the fractal, works through the mitochondria, through the womb. This motion is the male impulse to diversity which branches away from the mitochondria, spreads its seed, thus giving life to new forms and patterns. The mitochondria as a platform remains constant, the genetic envelope that it works within diversifies.The near-absence of genetic recombination in mitochondrial DNA makes it a useful source of information for scientists involved in population genetics and evolutionary biology. Because all the mitochondrial DNA is inherited as a single unit, or haplotype, the relationships between mitochondrial DNA from different individuals can be represented as a gene tree. Patterns in these gene trees can be used to infer the evolutionary history of populations. The classic example of this is in human evolutionary genetics, where the molecular clock can be used to provide a recent date for mitochondrial Eve. Another human example is the sequencing of mitochondrial DNA from Neanderthal bones. The relatively large evolutionary distance between the mitochondrial DNA sequences of Neanderthal's and living humans has been interpreted as evidence for lack of interbreeding between Neanderthal's and anatomically modern humans.
However, mitochondrial DNA only reflects the history of females in a population, and so may not give a representative picture of the history of the population as a whole. For example, if dispersal is primarily undertaken by males, this will not be picked up by mitochondrial studies. This can be partially overcome by the use of patrilineal genetic sequences, if they are available (in mammals the non-recombining region of the Y-chromosome provides such a source). More broadly, only studies that also include nuclear DNA can provide a comprehensive evolutionary history of a population.
Scheffler, I.E. (2001). "A century of mitochondrial research: achievements and perspectives"
It is the gravity bodies and worlds in space, and their movement, which provides us with time. These gravity bodies are the result of an initial 'release' of potential - recall 'mind and potential' as I referenced it above. The mind of the universe gave birth to the dream, which finds fulfillment in the womb of emptiness. The African tribes belief in mind born children begins to take on some pretty stupendous parallels, when we consider the implications of intention and the formation of worlds in what has been referred to as the Universal Mind.
Time has for millennia been referred to as being male, here is a wiki quote:
The matrix, or womb of space, provides the constancy upon which time moves. Put in another way - the space, or emptiness provides the backdrop in which the seeds of density - the planets, comets, etc, find motion, thus giving us time. Diversity is the impulse of change on the platform, or substrate, of changelessness.Father Time is a mythical personification of time. He is usually depicted as an elderly bearded man, dressed in a robe, carrying an hourglass or other timekeeping device (representing time's constant movement). This image is culled from several sources, including the Holly King, the Celtic god of the dying year, and Chronos, the Greek god of time.
Because of their similarity in name as pertaining to parental figures, he is sometimes paired with Mother Nature as a married couple.
In the physical body time is referred to as metabolism, the rate of exchange and movement of cell division, cell communication and cell death. Metabolism can both speed up and slow down according to various factors and exists within particular parameters known as homeostasis. When the metabolism, or body time slows down or speeds up too dramatically the constancy of homeostasis is broken and the space/time arrangement of the body begins to disintegrate. The fractal loses coherence. Here is an excerpt on the mitochondria and metabolism:
In the mitochondria we have the microcosm of the marriage between female/male - space/time. View the mitochondria diagrams and you will find a self contained 'organ' that regulates both the constancy of the metabolism and the diversity that is built upon it.....The second patient, Nabilia, a 22-year-old Jordanian woman, was already somewhat of a minor medical celebrity when she joined us at Penn, having been diagnosed at the American University of Beirut as the second patient with "Luft disease." This condition, described almost 10 years earlier by two distinguished Swedish scientists, Rolf Luft, an endocrinologist, and Lars Ernster, a biochemist, was then the only biochemically defined mitochondrial disease, sort of the flagship of a fledgling group of disorders soon to be ascribed to mitochondrial dysfunction.
I remember Nabilia sitting contentedly for hours in the cold room of the Clinical Research Center, her nightgown drenched with perspiration despite the cold, her bright face flushed as if she had just run several miles. She had the same condition of seemingly uncontrolled excessive metabolism previously described by Luft in a young Swedish woman. Both women had normal thyroid function (abnormalities of the thyroid being a reason for excessive metabolic activity). Their problem resided in the mitochondria of their skeletal muscles.
The muscle biopsies from both Abraham and Nabilia showed abundant "ragged red fibers" when treated with a special staining technique. As documented by W. King Engel (who also came up with the picturesque descriptive term), what makes these fibers appear both red and ragged is a massive proliferation of mitochondria, a sort of SOS message saying "red alert: critical energy shortage; more mitochondria needed." In this sense, ragged red fibers (or RRF, in our pervasively acronymic medical language) are a telltale sign of mitochondrial disease.
Having thus established that our two patients had mitochondrial myopathies, I remember asking Dr. Rowland, "How come that at Penn, which has one of the best mitochondrial centers in the world, patients like these are not studied in more detail?" To which Dr. Rowland, in his typical matter-of-fact way, answered, "Right; why don't you do it?"
Cell nucleus and Mitochondrion.
So started my initiation into the difficult art of isolating functional intact mitochondria, first from rat muscle, then from human biopsies. I still remember the excitement of witnessing the changing slope of tracings from oxygen electrodes attached to my first decently isolated human mitochondria.
I was hooked on mitochondria, these fascinating intracellular organelles (miniature "organs"), which started off as independent, free-floating, bacteria-like organisms many millions of years ago, and then took up permanent residence in nucleated cells like the ones that make up all human tissues. To these cells, which were not capable of utilizing oxygen for metabolism, mitochondria brought a gift as precious as the fire that Prometheus gave humankind in the Greek myth: oxidative metabolism.
Because they started off as independent organisms, mitochondria have their own DNA (mtDNA), a small, circular molecule that was ignored by clinical scientists until 1988, when the first mutations in this type of DNA were discovered by the late Anita Harding and her colleagues at Queen Square in London, and by Doug Wallace and co-workers at Emory University in Atlanta.
To make things even more interesting, the rules by which mitochondrial DNA mutations are transmitted differ from the "classical" rules of Mendelian genetics. First, mtDNA (and most mtDNA mutations) are transmitted by a maternal form of inheritance, because only women pass on their mtDNA to the next generation; men do not. Second, because there are hundreds or thousands of mitochondria (and mtDNA) in each cell, the relative proportion of mutant mtDNAs transmitted from mother to child becomes an important factor in determining the type and severity of the disease associated with that particular mutation.
http://www.mdausa.org/publications/Quest/q55mitochondria.html
Seeing as the Star Wars theme is acceptable around here I'll provide an interesting wiki quote about what we're talking about (bolds are mine):
In this context, the questions asked previously take on a much different characteristic. For I see quite clearly that it is not the genetic code that is so fixed as to determine human processes, but that human understanding is the causal motive force that is in reality orchestrating the genetic code. - AngeloThe word "midi-chlorian" appears to be a blend of "mitochondrion" and "chloroplast", two organelles found in real cells and thought to have evolved from bacteria as endosymbionts inside other cells, as purported in the endosymbiotic theory. Creator George Lucas has indeed stated that the midi-chlorians are based on the endosymbiotic theory, and it appears that in the story of Anakin Skywalker, he wanted to create a more modern "virgin birth"(mind born - Angelo) in the Star Wars saga that was as much based in science as in philosophy and religion, with the mythic "givers of life" being microscopic life-forms, rather than 'gods'.
Midi-chlorians (also spelled "midi-clorians" or "midichlorians") are mysterious organisms in the fictional Star Wars universe, first seen in the prequel trilogy. They are microscopic life-forms that reside within the cells of all living things and communicate with the Force. Midi-chlorians comprise a collective consciousness and intelligence, forming links between everything living and the Force. They are symbionts with all other living things; that is, without them, life could not exist. The Jedi have learned how to listen to and coordinate the midi-chlorians. If they quiet their minds, they can hear the midi-chlorians speaking to them, telling them the will of the Force. In order to be a Jedi or a Sith, one must have a high concentration of midi-chlorians in one's cells. This idea is very similar to 17th-century philosopher Gottfried Leibniz's theory of monads, immortal microscopic organisms residing inside all living cells, bridging a gap between the physical and spiritual realities.
Trees without undrstanding have genetic codes too. Their code is being orchestrated? By who or what? By the wind? - Ark
Is this what you consider logical discussion?
Trees do indeed have 'understanding'. They have an in-built intelligence that relates their environment to their internal apparatus in a language all their own.
Here is a quote:
Trees are also connected to the 'Force' through their genetic structures. They are intimately connected to the nervous impulse of the planet as it traverses through space. In fact tree's are neuron's for the planet and transmit information through ecosystem and atmospheric systems to maintain a symbiotic homeostasis, through oxygen production and moisture holding capacity, among other things. That's pretty intelligent if you ask me. Tree's can literally see light that we cannot and can detect pheromones that we cannot. That's without getting into all that 'weird' stuff about tree spirits.It is important to note that all plants, fungi, and animals use this same pathway. They acquired it very anciently by taking in a respiring bacterium as an endosymbiont (an organism living mutualistically within another organism). These endosymbionts are now called mitochondria. Based on recent DNA analysis, the eukaryotic organisms that later became plants added the photosynthetic pathway by acquiring a photosynthetic bacterium as an endosymbiont, now called chloroplasts. Thus plants have both photosynthesis in chloroplasts and respiration in mitochondria, so plants are really more than animals.
http://koning.ecsu.ctstateu.edu/Plant_Biology/Why_Plants.html
And even more heretical, that the traditional roles of male and female are actually based to a large extent upon energetic facts and not on an illusory struggle between male and female.
Why should there be any struggle between male and female? There can be harmony as well. - Ark
Exactly.
The above example has been scientifically verified, especially in regards to athletes, in that visualization techniques do indeed shape potentials. Now the question of universal applications and the ethical and moral implications of what is best 'imaged' is best saved for another time. - AngeloImagery has been considered a healing tool in virtually all of the world's cultures and is an integral part of many religions. Navajo Indians, for example, practice an elaborate form of imagery that encourages a person to "see" himself as healthy. Ancient Egyptians and Greeks, including Aristotle and Hippocrates believed that images release spirits in the brain that arouse the heart and other parts of the body. They also thought that a strong image of a disease is enough to cause its symptoms.
Affirmations and visualizations are used by athletes everyday. It has been suggested by experts such as Dale Carnegie, Robert Schuller and Steven Covey to elicit peak performance in individuals. Athletes use visualization to enhance their performance, sometimes without realizing it. A golfer may form a mental map of the fairway, imagining precisely where he will place the ball on each shot;....
http://holisticonline.com/guided-imagery.htm
Sometimes visualization helps, often it does not. There are studies showing the opposite of what you are claiming that you do not quote. Visualization does not help change the external reality particularly when the visualization is orthogonal to the objective facts. Imagery may help to motivate us to do something. But there is not much mystery about that. Imagine as much as you want that the Earth stops moving tomorrow, use all the available "scientifically verified methods", and I assure you that you will fail. Get 100 of your friends to imagine with you and I can still assure you that you will fail. - Ark
Your position here is very typical. I agree with your assertion on the surface, though you omit the subtle components of the discussion. What you have said in no way refutes any of the research into the field of human potentials. There is much I do not agree with myself in terms of the definition of findings, but one thing is for sure, the human creative element as it impacts the external world as a causal force is only in its infancy, in a seed stage if you will. Just as naturalistic science was in the seed stage during the renaissance, a form of investigation we somehow feel existed as a human component from the beginning! This is a process.
Humans have always unknowingly affected the Universe by every act and thought they articulate or even consider. Realistic, comprehensively responsible, omni-system-considerate, unselfish thinking on the part of humans does absolutely affect human destiny. Buckminster Fuller
You also skipped over commenting on my last sentence which I'll highlight:
Now the question of universal applications and the ethical and moral implications of what is best 'imaged' is best saved for another time. -Angelo
It is the degree to which we align ourselves to the Universal Need, here referred to as 'service to others', that determines the strength of our visions and causal force.
With this line of reasoning I would suggest that psychopathy is not so much a genetic pre-determined process but an evolving and changing social dynamic which can spread like a disease through the minds eye of humanity. - Angelo
Social dynamics is one thing. Genetic features is another thing. Both have their place. Here you mix apples and oranges. - Ark
When your making a meal its good to blend flavors or else all goes bland. You seem to be very enmeshed in the science of specialization, though simultaneously disregard the more comprehensive aspect of integrated solutions. 'Social dynamics' have a great deal to do with genetic preponderances, that's why genetic research and genetic profiling as well as bloodlines, interbreeding and hybridization is so important to the on-going plan to conform humanity into a collective homogenous state.
Here is an interesting article in regards to specialization:As we can all attest, knowledge specialization has increased over the years, as it must the more we learn about any subject. There are ever-increasing subdisciplines within engineering, economics and finance, law, medicine, and of course education. Specialization reminds us that we live in a world which is complex. As the webs of specialized disciplines and subdisciplines become more and more intricate, we are challenged by the task of being able to not only organize this information but to re-examine and improve the way we teach people how to organize information into knowledge. It is a worthy task because, quite frankly, the future of our country, of our civilization - perhaps the future of our species - depends upon it. - Michael Jaffe
http://www.govtech.net/magazine/visions/nov99vision/mcluhan/mcluhan.php
I feel very strongly that we are all borderline psychopathic, in that the culture that greets us everyday is a constant weight and threat to our more innate spiritual assertiveness. - Angelo
Some of us are probably borderline psychopathic. Some others are probably not. The devil, as always, is in the details. - Ark
You see, I sense an underlying ill intent in your post Ark. An anger. Can you see your little devils?
Much Love,
Angelo