Re: Re: Scans that show Brain of neglected child is smaller
anart said:
benbuehne said:
Perceval said:
benbuehne said:
Heimdallr said:
benbuehne said:
I was wrong... this is an MD that wrote this book.
http://www.amazon.com/Just-Like-Father-Liane-Leedom/dp/0977801306
Liane Leedom is a highly questionable source. Basically, she is a fraud. Read here - https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25688.0.html - and I would recommend doing a forum search on her to read the many other threads where she is mentioned.
I'm not sure I would interpret this the same way but I appreciate the link. All I see here is that her husband betrayed her. That seems to make me trust her as a source more as she clearly felt the sting of betrayal from a possible psychopath. Also Dr. Hare supports her... and that is a highly reputable source. It may actually serve to make her a better source to learn from.
Again there is this ad hominem fallacy though... The question is if the information in the book is valid and not if the person is valid isn't it?
Jesus Ben, this is getting kind of frustrating, ya know? There is no "ad hominem fallacy", what there is is lots of experience and research. And it is always a good idea to assess the source ALONG with the information. Do you really think that information can be totally divorced from the person spreading the information?? Basic research requires that a researcher take ALL information into consideration, INCLUDING the source. Ya know, you obviously don't know a lot about certain topics, yet, bizarrely, it is on these topics that you seem to come across as particularly self-righteous and, dare I say, sanctimonious. Now, should I just be looking at what you say rather than making that observation? Or would it be possible that a person with a tendency to self-righteousness might end up thinking he knows more about something than he actually does? And would that information about the source be important in weeding through what such a person would say?
Do I think that the information can be totally separated from the source? Not completely but you can get very very close. Even credible sources should be questioned... and sources that have proven to lack credibility can have truths mixed in with the bad information.
I think you are confusing my arrogance with other personality traits. My inquisitive nature may be confused with stubbornness. As such, even though I read the information provided by others through their advice that doesn't mean I blindly accept this information. I understand it and question it and I don't necessarily internalize it until knowing it to be true. As such what can be perceived as a large learning curve would be best explained by a careful analytic process. Part of that involves a separating of the source from the material. I wonder if this process is what is causing others to view me as disagreeable.
I PMed you to attempt to go over some of this.
We don't PM here, Ben, the discussions should take place in full public veiw. That way, others have an opportunity to learn from it. Quite frankly, it is your stubborn ignorance that is at the core of the problem here. You are unwilling or unable to recognize truth when you see it and stubbornly think that just because you think something, it must be true, when - thus far - 95% of the time you have been wrong in your assertions. This alone is not terribly uncommon and would not really be an issue if it weren't for your incredibly arrogant and abrasive attitude toward the members of this forum and the forum itself. For this reason, I really think it's time you moved along to another forum that fits your needs.
"95% of the time you have been wrong in your assertions."
Can you please explain to me where I have been wrong. I really have yet to get clear explanations.... only vague brushes of criticism directed at me as opposed to the content of question.
Arrogant and Abrasive? It makes me ponder if perhaps mirroring exersizes tend to show others as this not because they (the ones being "mirrored" truly are this way but because of a distortion in the mirror. I can certainly be arrogant at times... but I don't see how I have been particularly abrasive (the exception being our initial discussion Anart)... unless questioning is considered abrasive. When being called out on my arrogance I tend to ask where I overstepped and I don't usually get clear answers.
Quite honestly it appears to me something may be wrong with this forum and there are many red flags and a lot of doubletalk. When I attempt to clarify this it is usually met with a personal attack instead of addressing the issue. There seems to be an aura of paranoia in which if certain fundamental principals are questioned then the question is deemed irrelevant. I'm told there is no authority here... yet it clearly exists... a pyramid... a hierarchy. I'm told there are no fundamental beliefs but when one is questioned the reaction is similar to just about any religious fundamentalist having a belief questioned. I honestly think this is something many here are oblivious to... and maybe mirroring in that case is required. The general attitude seems to be that no one new has anything significant to offer until dying and being reborn in the image of cassiopaea which then ignores the underlying "why" behind the reason for the current state of being. This is what I was trying to get at in this thread. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,29967.0.html
That maybe there is a reason for our individuality and that there may be a significance to this even though objectivity is also important.
Quite honestly it makes me sad. I see so much potential here. I see so much good will and quite honestly a lot of knowledge as well. However I also see a lot of logical fallacies that are frequent with the most pervasive being this ad hominem fallacy... a fallacy people here are actually defending vehemently. I would prefer, truth be told, to help enlighten others to this. I think people think I overstep there... well how could I possibly? Look at how imperfect I am... but that is the ad hominem fallacy to a T. Even if everything else I say is wrong if I get one thing right that one thing is still right... it's still truth! I think if those that are offering criticism here were to look at this objectively then they would see this is happening but I also think that a combination of groupthink, confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, and the bandwagon fallacy will prevent this from occurring.
I mean... don't you see the corruption within your own board? The hierarchy that has developed and the doublespeak? The censorship being done yet being called other things! The identification of enemies through the COINTELPRO section that simply points out the fallibility of humans... any human! The fact that oppositional research is ignored! The mirroring... a tool that can be used for both good and evil but used for evil and justified as good in all cases. The reason I say this is because sometimes it's a funhouse mirror because I've read through some of these and it seems that I just don't see the things you are mirroring back in this person's posts. So is that mirroring or is it just pure criticism for the sake of criticism and assimilation?
Now I could be wrong here but I'm doubting the ability of anyone here to explain this to me (most likely because they can't explain it to themselves as it would result in too much cognitive dissonance.)
I'll tell you what... how about if instead of encouraging me to remove myself from the forum (or banning me) you attempt to explain this stuff to me? I would like nothing more than to actively participate here but it seems a discussion and realization needs to occur on both sides prior to this happening. Maybe include some specific examples... bring in some information that I just haven't gotten to yet. If you know it's wrong but can't explain how it is wrong... then I would say you need to reconsider if it is in fact wrong.
