Spiral Out said:Ben just posted this on my FB wall with a link to this thread
http://www.facebook.com/bernhard.guenther/posts/345855965521876
Sorry... I tried to help them but failed. Banned so as to be unable to continue the discussion. Be careful in your dealings there Bernhard Guenther... they will do exactly what I said to write this off... I already see "everyone can see it" (bandwagon much?). They have done interesting research but the forum/organization is fundamentally flawed
I suggested to him to join the forum a while back since he kept asking me questions that are better discussed here. Since he had articles published on SOTT, I thought it would make sense. Same like I suggested to Gregory James. Oh boy, same old story, but some good insights in those interactions and proof of the research on here, even if it takes up much time and energy to repeat the obvious.
anart said:He tried to help us? Dear god, the guy suffers from serious delusions of grandeur.
Benjamin, I've read and observed your interactions on the forum since you joined. Unfortunately you're way off and have been banned for good reasons since you really don't understand what this forum is about nor do you see yourself clearly. It's all evident in your posts. A lot of time and energy has been invested in you to get over yourself and actually help YOU. The fact that you write "I tried to help them but failed" really shows your self-importance and place where you come from since you participated.
Ben: I didn't expect you to see it now... maybe later. Unfortunately I see myself and the forum all too clearly. There is a lot of Irony in what Laura Knight-Jadczyk wrote after I was banned... Don't you see that it's censorship? Don't you see something is very wrong there? Several sources and former members write of it being a cult. The enemies list writes like a who's who of alternative theory. That is not just a cointelpro list that is a list of their competition. This shouldn't be the reaction to such questioning. It should be able to hold up to the questions... instead of voices being silenced. My own arrogance aside... my flaws have nothing to do with the flaws there...
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Ben: Also... a term for the cassiopedia... "self importance"- the quality of being difficult to submit to the bandwagon fallacy on our forum.
Spiral Out said:I suggested to him to join the forum a while back since he kept asking me questions that are better discussed here. Since he had articles published on SOTT, I thought it would make sense. Same like I suggested to Gregory James. Oh boy, same old story, but some good insights in those interactions and proof of the research on here, even if it takes up much time and energy to repeat the obvious.
Perceval said:Spiral Out said:Ben just posted this on my FB wall with a link to this thread
http://www.facebook.com/bernhard.guenther/posts/345855965521876
Sorry... I tried to help them but failed. Banned so as to be unable to continue the discussion. Be careful in your dealings there Bernhard Guenther... they will do exactly what I said to write this off... I already see "everyone can see it" (bandwagon much?). They have done interesting research but the forum/organization is fundamentally flawed
I suggested to him to join the forum a while back since he kept asking me questions that are better discussed here. Since he had articles published on SOTT, I thought it would make sense. Same like I suggested to Gregory James. Oh boy, same old story, but some good insights in those interactions and proof of the research on here, even if it takes up much time and energy to repeat the obvious.
You can tell him he wasn't banned, but just prevented from posting. He can still read at his leisure, and surely reading the forum is a good 50% of involvement? Well, at least for those who are actually interested in the information here rather than the sound of their own keyboard.
Gimpy said:Why is that so impossibly hard?
Personally, I found the above in bold to be almost jaw dropping.mkrnhr said:It is always fascinating to observe weirdos who try to force their way into others. There was also that weird attitude toward new members to say: I'm here if you have any questions, or something like that. It can be conscious or unconscious, but it looks like those instances where a predator isolates a pray in order to feed on it. In any case, it is always a good opportunity to learn about others and about some mechanical aspects of ourselves. The pathological persistence and cognitive dissonance are some other aspects that are obvious from the above exchanges too IMHO.
Gimpy said:Why is that so impossibly hard?
Heimdallr said:He never sincerely wanted to learn, nor did he have any interest in truly understanding the foundations which this forum is based on. He wanted to "help us", to teach us the error of our ways. Anything else beyond that just got in his way.
Laura said:Isn't it fascinating how it plays out exactly the same every time? You've only seen it live a couple of times. Just wait! It gets more interesting when other pathologies get exposed.
Actually I should apologize for my behavior. Ya see... I've been sick the last few days. I always get a bit strange when I have a fever... and I did have a high one. It's inexplicable... people I know say I act quite differently when sick and it's proven true again. I had my skepticisms and they all decided to come out on that thread for whatever reason. While the skepticism may hold true I hadn't finished reading and I had wanted to reserve any of that after drawing more firm conclusions... which I did not do. Thus even if what I stated holds true it was the behavior that I need to ask forgiveness for...
Spiral Out said:I just received this message from benbuehne:
Actually I should apologize for my behavior. Ya see... I've been sick the last few days. I always get a bit strange when I have a fever... and I did have a high one. It's inexplicable... people I know say I act quite differently when sick and it's proven true again. I had my skepticisms and they all decided to come out on that thread for whatever reason. While the skepticism may hold true I hadn't finished reading and I had wanted to reserve any of that after drawing more firm conclusions... which I did not do. Thus even if what I stated holds true it was the behavior that I need to ask forgiveness for...
I have no idea why he apologizes to me and asks for "forgiveness". He could have posted this on the post he made on my wall or even mention this on the forum today. I also don't think that his "fever" is the only issue here.