Dear Laura, whats going on?
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often seem to declare themselves with their handle. 
nature said:(...)
Tohuwabohu, thank you for showing who you are: speaking a lot, moralizing and unable to actually answer a single question. You remind me of my ex
Thank you very much for this moment of lauthing.
andtohuwabohu said:
tohuwabohu said:
Gosh, my thoughts precisely nature! I guess it goes to show that difficult people in our lives do in fact teach us a lot: they simply help us see through other difficult people and their games when we meet them later on in our lives.
Judging by his posts, tohuwabohu is looking for some girl and he thinks the crystals are going to help him find her. Well, I don't think they work like a magic wand actually. Wouldn't this be the exact opposite of non-anticipation? Trying to convince the forces "up there" to give you something you want to possess "down here" means that tohuwabohu should re-read ALL of Laura's work.
Starting here maybe: https://cassiopaea.org/2010/09/15/why-you-dont-create-your-own-reality-an-antidote-to-fatuous-new-age-paradigms/
It looks like it didn't sink in the first time round but hey, as he himself said:
tohuwabohu said:
Just like some of us only read what they want to read.
As Edmund Wilson said, "No two persons ever read the same book" and tohuwabohu clearly got a completely different message from the Wave than other readers did.
tohuwabohu said:
I guess most has been said tohuwabohu, but you're acting like someone who just stepped into other person's house and are claiming it's your own. This Forum was created and is maintained by certain group of people, and we all are guests. A bit like members at the local chess club, where we're having common interests and aim. You'd think someone who's talking a lot about STO would know some basic manners...
Seppo Ilmarinen said:
... and a smaller ego, IF he really had learned a lesson or two. Interesting how the conversation became all about HIS views, HIS alleged lessons. Ego will get you every time... It seems to me that tohuwabohu assumes a lot. He assumes that without showing any real "fruit of his labor", he can impart lessons to everyone, and everybody is supposed to just agree. He is not an active member, and what he HAS posted, shows quite a lack of understanding. There is nothing wrong with that. The problem arises when people who lack understanding convince themselves that they are above others, and that they understand much more than they do. A bad recipe for being part of a "family", coupled with a huge sense of entitlement.
tohuwabohu
Jedi Master
Alada said:
"I see a deflection...!", Alada shouts victoriously.
hmmm.... what is that in the avatar pic? .... a ladder?
So you view all of us as a ladder which you can use to ascend to higher densities?
Isn't that funny how our nicknames and avatars truly reflect who we are?
tohuwabohu
Jedi Master
To Laura:
We see that there is a lot of disonance between us. This tells us that something is not right.
There is a vast chasm in knowledge on the forum.
I always thought of the forum as a place where pure STO values are propagated. Yet I was wrong.
Through the allowances the STS forces were allowed to corrupt the knowledge and what is even worse
it is FORCED on others through
the mods and veteran members. Many clearly think that number of postings is related to the
STO-sness of the members. But is it? Imagine a being from 4D STO world showing up on the forum
for the first time in order to help. What would happen?
The point of STO is not to answer all questions that are thrown at us. It is to help others to learn
, to gain knowledge. And to gain knowledge doesn't mean memorizing some texts and then throwing it
around on the forum without true understanding. Knowledge IS true understanding and vice versa.
Only those who truly understand can help others to also understand.
This was my duty and now it is over. It is up to you now. You cannot have two contrary essences at the same time in the same place.
We are STO, we do not want, we do not need, we do not beg. We do not command. Do as you please and bear consequences.
I am leaving.
We see that there is a lot of disonance between us. This tells us that something is not right.
There is a vast chasm in knowledge on the forum.
I always thought of the forum as a place where pure STO values are propagated. Yet I was wrong.
Through the allowances the STS forces were allowed to corrupt the knowledge and what is even worse
it is FORCED on others through
the mods and veteran members. Many clearly think that number of postings is related to the
STO-sness of the members. But is it? Imagine a being from 4D STO world showing up on the forum
for the first time in order to help. What would happen?
The point of STO is not to answer all questions that are thrown at us. It is to help others to learn
, to gain knowledge. And to gain knowledge doesn't mean memorizing some texts and then throwing it
around on the forum without true understanding. Knowledge IS true understanding and vice versa.
Only those who truly understand can help others to also understand.
This was my duty and now it is over. It is up to you now. You cannot have two contrary essences at the same time in the same place.
We are STO, we do not want, we do not need, we do not beg. We do not command. Do as you please and bear consequences.
I am leaving.
[quote author=Ant22]Judging by his posts, tohuwabohu is looking for some girl and he thinks the crystals are going to help him find her. Well, I don't think they work like a magic wand actually. Wouldn't this be the exact opposite of non-anticipation? Trying to convince the forces "up there" to give you something you want to possess "down here" means that tohuwabohu should re-read ALL of Laura's work.[/quote]
I never knew that the crystal connection was meant as a dating service. Unless you want to hook up with your future self. Which is weird in all kind of ways.
[quote author= Session 7 May 2016]Q: (L) Well, somebody brought up the possibility that if I were to charge these crystals, and then some nefarious person got ahold of one, they could then send something back at me.
A: Not the way it works. The linkage is to 6th density thanks to your "installation of the software", but the mainframe is us in the future.
Q: (L) So in other words, I'm not putting myself into these crystals or creating a link between others and me, I'm putting some kind of frequency into them that links them to you/us in the future and then peeps are connected to you and through you to each other, possibly including me?
(Andromeda,) You're like the channel for the frequency.
(L) I'm channeling the frequency to the crystals, but I'm not connecting my personal energies to them?
A: Exactly. It would be "interesting" for some "nefarious" person to attempt such activity. We have a "firewall".
Q: (L) Somehow I get the feeling that when you say, "firewall", you mean that a little bit more than just symbolically...
A: Indeed.
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I also think it may be best for tohuwabohu to read everything again, but there is so much anticipation (wanting to get something out for the self) going on his part. I don't know if it would be healthy advice in the first place? You need to have a robust mind for Laura's material. I don't say that to talk tohuwabohu down, but that's just how it is, it's a heavy read!
I never knew that the crystal connection was meant as a dating service. Unless you want to hook up with your future self. Which is weird in all kind of ways.
[quote author= Session 7 May 2016]Q: (L) Well, somebody brought up the possibility that if I were to charge these crystals, and then some nefarious person got ahold of one, they could then send something back at me.
A: Not the way it works. The linkage is to 6th density thanks to your "installation of the software", but the mainframe is us in the future.
Q: (L) So in other words, I'm not putting myself into these crystals or creating a link between others and me, I'm putting some kind of frequency into them that links them to you/us in the future and then peeps are connected to you and through you to each other, possibly including me?
(Andromeda,) You're like the channel for the frequency.
(L) I'm channeling the frequency to the crystals, but I'm not connecting my personal energies to them?
A: Exactly. It would be "interesting" for some "nefarious" person to attempt such activity. We have a "firewall".
Q: (L) Somehow I get the feeling that when you say, "firewall", you mean that a little bit more than just symbolically...
A: Indeed.
[/quote]
I also think it may be best for tohuwabohu to read everything again, but there is so much anticipation (wanting to get something out for the self) going on his part. I don't know if it would be healthy advice in the first place? You need to have a robust mind for Laura's material. I don't say that to talk tohuwabohu down, but that's just how it is, it's a heavy read!
Humility. That's what STO would do - it would be humble, open to being wrong, and realize that this is a discussion forum and you cannot discuss when you stumble in here with a "holier than thou" attitude trying to educate and spread lessons from your high horse. It's always the same when these types. I have come to enlighten and spread my wisdom! How dare you ask me to be specific and elaborate! My job is to drop vague truth bombs and your jobs are to meditate on the pearls given and grow! Oh wait.. they don't like that? They must be savages who hate learning! They will surely come to regret my absence and see the folly of their ways after I'm gone! *door slam*.
On the other hand when I first joined the previous iteration of this forum I wasn't very different. I was literally "this type" to some degree. And I was put in my place really fast. And rightly so. And I'm thankful for that ego-correction. I think it ultimately depends on what is truly important to you - your ego, your "image", or the truth and authenticity. And sometimes I've seen similar things here where someone will come back later realizing they were out of line and sincerely make an effort the 2nd time around and all is well. But sometimes this just isn't the person's bar, and that's ok too.
On a different note, this does seem out of character for Menna, and the lack of communication too. I hope he's ok. If I took away anything from this thread, it's a reminder of how it's a miracle any of us can even communicate effectively at all. We all speak the same language, and yet it's a Tower of Babel anyway. Miscommunicating is easy, misunderstanding is easy, programs and thought loops also get in the way, and it it takes a lot of effort and yes, humility, to be able to maintain the level of discussion that exists here. I mean hell, couples don't even know each other after 20 years of marriage and tend to fight over nonsensical stuff, and struggle to communicate effectively and understand each other. The fact that a bunch of strangers should manage this over the internet really is a miracle. I mean just look at the rest of the internet - have y'all read YouTube comments lately? Facebook? Humans live in bubbles and echo chambers with impregnable walls as a rule, so yeah, this place is unique. It's a testament that Gurdjieff is spot on. It's easy to take for granted, but as long as we all keep that humility thing in mind, knowing just how easy it is for us to err, I think we will be ok :)
On the other hand when I first joined the previous iteration of this forum I wasn't very different. I was literally "this type" to some degree. And I was put in my place really fast. And rightly so. And I'm thankful for that ego-correction. I think it ultimately depends on what is truly important to you - your ego, your "image", or the truth and authenticity. And sometimes I've seen similar things here where someone will come back later realizing they were out of line and sincerely make an effort the 2nd time around and all is well. But sometimes this just isn't the person's bar, and that's ok too.
On a different note, this does seem out of character for Menna, and the lack of communication too. I hope he's ok. If I took away anything from this thread, it's a reminder of how it's a miracle any of us can even communicate effectively at all. We all speak the same language, and yet it's a Tower of Babel anyway. Miscommunicating is easy, misunderstanding is easy, programs and thought loops also get in the way, and it it takes a lot of effort and yes, humility, to be able to maintain the level of discussion that exists here. I mean hell, couples don't even know each other after 20 years of marriage and tend to fight over nonsensical stuff, and struggle to communicate effectively and understand each other. The fact that a bunch of strangers should manage this over the internet really is a miracle. I mean just look at the rest of the internet - have y'all read YouTube comments lately? Facebook? Humans live in bubbles and echo chambers with impregnable walls as a rule, so yeah, this place is unique. It's a testament that Gurdjieff is spot on. It's easy to take for granted, but as long as we all keep that humility thing in mind, knowing just how easy it is for us to err, I think we will be ok :)
tohuwabohu said:
What did u expect tohuwabohu. There was no rationale, or contemplation with the gray matter within your mind.
Just spinning the same disk, over, and over, again, and again.
Good luck out there, and pray your thought process does not provide a means to your end.
