Diet and the work

[Nimue]

Nonetheless, a change in eating habits is always an exercise in willpower

Agreed.
I see it also as a good method for self remembering, at the moment for me there is no better
way to remember myself while I struggle with my diet, it´s always a shock for my machine to see all the stuff I have eaten before (especially pizza! ) and now to say no to all the evil stuff.
But will this inner voice (the predator )ever stop to whisper “Once won´t do any harm” I don’t know…?

What I also find interesting, when it comes to questioning the diet I'm/we're using that the questions most often framed in that I have to defend myself, why I'm eating this or that. That means, it is dealing with beliefs: fat is unhealthy, wholemeal bread is healthy etc. and that many people are not asking open questions.

Same experience for me. I often have the impression most people are very sensitive with
diet and eating themes. They believe what they believe and if they see someone with other eating habits, they must discuss with you, cause they will assure you that you are wrong and they are right, it must be a horrible idea for them, that there could be something wrong with their own diet. Interestingly you don´t have to say something, you only must order non conform food,
or order without potatoes or bread …. then you are in for it . But this is a good training for external considering. So for me it seems that diet and work belong to each other.

Only my two cents !

Edit : spelling

 

[truth seeker]

But will this inner voice (the predator )ever stop to whisper “Once won´t do any harm” I don’t know…?

It might. In my experience, it has happened. At those points what I found helpful to keep in mind is how long it takes for gluten to be cleared from the system (6 months). To me, it's not worth undoing what I've worked towards. The other thing I found helpful is the price I have to pay by the way of inflammation symptoms that can occur anywhere from 10 minutes after eating something to the next morning. I have grown used to and appreciate being symptom free, especially when I see those around me constantly complaining about their aches, pains and other ailments while consuming foods that are harmful. I feel that my body has a voice now that I am finally listening to it.

We have gotten quite used to paying this price in society (by way of inflammation) and normalizing it (usually when ingesting alcohol or eating spicy foods). We know what will happen but push it aside in favor of the instant gratification. As you have said, it is good practice in terms of keeping in mind what is for the greater good of all.

 

[agni]

It occurred to me today as I read some of my own older posts, that these two subjects relate to each other (it is already mentioned on the forum), in the sense of observing one self more clearly and to get to the roots of programs and even seeing ones own machine more clearly.

Why does it matter when working on the self, first hand observing? Substances like gluten, dairy, coffee, improper sleep, sugar � the way you eat simple messes up the system with results of mood-swings (unbalanced hormones), mind fog and lacking energy for example. So it is imo needed to clean up the body from these substances, cleansing the body from these "diet-buffers" which are making it difficult to see oneself and programs.

I also think diet mimics work pretty good. How one can expect to do any internal cleansing properly, without proper maintenance of the vessel first ? How one can take responsibility to deal with programs, if one is not capable to take responsibility to support own body ? It's one of the first practical things one can do is to adjust the diet in a responsible to self way, which will bring most obvious results.

I find it's directly related to work. Not all programs or imbalances seem to have the same sources, or get the same fuel. It's important to rule out which programs are "natural" to self and arise from life experiences, genetic or other influence & what not, and which programs are caused by chemical imbalances and are diet/health related.

While programs that are not diet diet related, and weaved into our minds are harder & trickier to deal with, programs that are originated/fueled by the improper diet are somewhat easier to manage, because there is more direct relation of cause & effect. There is no question diet has a direct impact on our thinking processes, behavior, etc. It can be seen, tested & directly confronted, even without much mirroring. Besides, after diet is straightened out, it can be seen as a proof to self, that one is practically capable of victory over programs, which can serve as an encouragement in dealings with actual programs.

So, it seems, diet is one of the first practical steps one could take. If one does not possess proper skill to deal with something obvious like diet, what makes one think one would be able to deal with tricky programs. It almost looks like a necessary training exorcise to get proper "muscles", aka preparation for dealing something more tricky and complex - dealing with "real" programs.

just my thoughts... I hope it makes sense.

 

[RedFox]

We have gotten quite used to paying this price in society (by way of inflammation) and normalizing it (usually when ingesting alcohol or eating spicy foods). We know what will happen but push it aside in favor of the instant gratification. As you have said, it is good practice in terms of keeping in mind what is for the greater good of all.

I often find myself looking at others peoples food purchases in the supermarket, usually if they are buying a lot of junk food you can spot ant-acids and pain killers on the same conveyor belt. Not only is inflammation normalised, but it also profited from!

Building on Megan and Data's words, cleaning up our diet and sticking to it also sends a message to the deepest part of ourselves. A message of respect and caring not only for our bodies but also for the very food we ingest. These apparently small acts create the foundation for what we wish to be, the way we handle our basic needs is then reflected on the grander scale, on our bigger and more visible actions.

I think this is very true Gertrudes - by our actions in maintaining a healthy diet, we are indeed sending out a message, and creating a clearer signal so to speak. It's like when we eat poorly and consume all the unhealthy foods, not to mention eating tortured animals and fake food, we are sending a signal of noise, of belief or choice in lies. These beliefs in what are essentially lies may in turn strongly effect our ability to discern other lies. So it's not only about the physical and emotional effects of the diet on our health, but much more, and who knows what effect a group of people who are actively attempting to align themselves with truth can do?

The point about not believing lies is also a very important thing to consider with all these things, believing the foods you eat are healthy when it is a lie may well be even more damaging at some levels than the food itself. Does Lying Damage the Brain?

 

[Gawan]

What I also find interesting, when it comes to questioning the diet I'm/we're using that the questions most often framed in that I have to defend myself, why I'm eating this or that. That means, it is dealing with beliefs: fat is unhealthy, wholemeal bread is healthy etc. and that many people are not asking open questions.

Same experience for me. I often have the impression most people are very sensitive with
diet and eating themes. They believe what they believe and if they see someone with other eating habits, they must discuss with you, cause they will assure you that you are wrong and they are right, it must be a horrible idea for them, that there could be something wrong with their own diet. Interestingly you don´t have to say something, you only must order non conform food,
or order without potatoes or bread …. then you are in for it . But this is a good training for external considering. So for me it seems that diet and work belong to each other.

It's now rather hypothetical, maybe the food that gets normally eaten are A influences and stepping out of this cage in favor for ones own health is creating B influences, through the network of people who are going into a similar direction, collecting knowledge what is aligned and considered more natural or closer to the truth. That means general law, likes to keep one trapped in "normal" food so to speak and through these interactions (questions: why am I eating that way) may make one feel bad and draw one back to "normal" food.

Anyway, eventually it is just a simple, mechanical reaction of people, cause the way we are eating is just not considered to be normal, through many years of propagating and educating people what should be healthy food etc. And anything that not operates in standard norms that everybody does (eating bread, sugar, milk etc.) is just strange and needs to be questioned. Or a reaction of sweeping something under the carpet. :)

 

[mcb]

I think this is very true Gertrudes - by our actions in maintaining a healthy diet, we are indeed sending out a message, and creating a clearer signal so to speak. It's like when we eat poorly and consume all the unhealthy foods, not to mention eating tortured animals and fake food, we are sending a signal of noise, of belief or choice in lies. These beliefs in what are essentially lies may in turn strongly effect our ability to discern other lies. So it's not only about the physical and emotional effects of the diet on our health, but much more, and who knows what effect a group of people who are actively attempting to align themselves with truth can do?

I think that a conscious strategically-devised signal will be most effective. I went through a vegan/vegetarian "food evangelism" phase about 15 years ago, and that is the opposite of what I mean. It is painfully obvious now that not only was it not effective, but much of my leading-edge well-researched "scientific" information at the time derived from corrupt sources and was simply wrong.

What I mostly do now is drop comments into my conversation that can serve to highlight the clues we have to what is really going on. I try to do it in a way that can be ignored by people that don't want to be bothered. I work in the health care field (non-profit), however, and some of the things I have learned in my personal life are quite relevant to the mission of our organization. Right now I am trying to understand the barriers to admitting "new" information (i.e. information that conflicts with the "official story"), to see if there is any contribution I can make. There very well may not be, but I can always learn something in the process.

Where I work the importance of prevention (as opposed to treating diseases later in their cycle) is well known and that seems like it should be a common ground for discussing new/better approaches. What I have been told, though, is that while people trained in public health tend to appreciate the value of identifying causes and preventing disease, that appreciation is not shared so much by MDs. They are trained to diagnose the disease and then prescribe the treatment that goes with the diagnosis.

It's interesting that Taubes (Why We Get Fat) approaches obesity as a public health problem. Where I work, and I am directly involved in data collection for some of the prevention efforts there, obesity seems to be seen mainly as a medical problem needing monitoring and treatment, and the focus seems to be primarily on diabetes (which comes late in the chain of events of disease progression). This medical approach cannot "see" the presence of triggering foods/disease agents (sugar, flour, starch) in the prevailing diet.

I am looking for ways to move past this barrier. Perhaps if the MDs were more focused on their own health? I don't know; I am open to ideas.

 

[Keit]

The point about not believing lies is also a very important thing to consider with all these things, believing the foods you eat are healthy when it is a lie may well be even more damaging at some levels than the food itself. Does Lying Damage the Brain?

There is also the following by Anart from the same thread:

It brings to mind the idea that 'the soul cannot abide a lie' - that it 'withdraws' at the smallest lie to the self or others.

The following is likely out in left field, but - just in case it makes some sort of sense...

If one considers frequency resonance and the hypothesis that as the conscious mind increasingly perceives and aligns to objective truth, so does it align with, or access, the higher self (or soul), then, perhaps, this is reflected in physiological brain function. Perhaps - a belief in lies, no matter how brief, disturbs this resonance so that the 'higher self' withdraws - or at least the access of the conscious mind to that higher self is restricted - resulting in changes in brain function. Very interesting if our brains are our interface with the Universe and all that entails.

The manifestations of this change in brain function - the physiological representation of the 'withdrawal' of higher perception, or an alignment with higher perception, could involve any number of behavioral or emotional manifestations - none of them 'positive'. It would certainly map to my own personal experience.

Preparing the vessel for the soul to be seated or become fully functioning, or soul marrying the genetic construct come to mind here.

It is also absolutely amazing to notice how our basic need of physical nourishment directly ties with spiritual potential, and how messing/manipulating with or severing this tie or connection have such profound implications.

 

[Graalsword]

I agree with all what was said, adding to that, I think that learning to eat properly is a basic lesson of this third density. Learning to give the body what really needs in order to work properly. Reconnecting with and recongnizing our thrue needs, the actual hunger, the actual way humanity ate for milennia since arriving in this realm until a few thousands years. It's another way of back in time, going in the opposite direction to the control system.

 

[Nimue]

It might. In my experience, it has happened.

Good to hear this, that gives me hope !

It's now rather hypothetical, maybe the food that gets normally eaten are A influences and stepping out of this cage in favor for ones own health is creating B influences.

Interesting statement, definitely food for thought !

I often find myself looking at others peoples food purchases in the supermarket, usually if they are buying a lot of junk food you can spot ant-acids and pain killers on the same conveyor belt. Not only is inflammation normalised, but it also profited from!

When I read this I must laugh . I always thought I am the only one who stalks the shopping carts from other peoples. ( Maybe a program...).

 

[Aiming]

I often find myself looking at others peoples food purchases in the supermarket, usually if they are buying a lot of junk food you can spot ant-acids and pain killers on the same conveyor belt. Not only is inflammation normalised, but it also profited from!

When I read this I must laugh . I always thought I am the only one who stalks the shopping carts from other peoples. ( Maybe a program...).

I've found myself doing this, too. Don't know if it's a program, but I've found it helps to remind myself of the truth of the situation and strengthening resolve.

 

[mcb]

When I read this I must laugh . I always thought I am the only one who stalks the shopping carts from other peoples. ( Maybe a program...).

I've found myself doing this, too. Don't know if it's a program, but I've found it helps to remind myself of the truth of the situation and strengthening resolve.

When I was a vegan, I noticed all the meat people were buying. Now I notice all the carbs. I suppose the question to ask at those moments is who do I become when I do this -- what are my "i's" up to?

 

[truth seeker]

When I was a vegan, I noticed all the meat people were buying. Now I notice all the carbs. I suppose the question to ask at those moments is who do I become when I do this -- what are my "i's" up to?

Good point Megan. While I don't make it a habit to look into other people's carts, every now and again I'll check out what the person in front of me on the line is purchasing out of curiosity.

What I see quite often is whole grain bread sometimes whole wheat pastas and so on. What that says to me is that based on the information currently touted, some are trying to the best of their ability to eat healthy. Unfortunately, they are misled. This saddens me. As for the ones who are eating things that most agree isn't healthy (cakes, etc), they too fall under programming. In their case, that moderation is okay or they think in general it isn't harmful because they perceive no noticeable effects.

I can't even be angry at them anymore because I was that person and remember what it was like to hold those illusions.

So to view others carts while at the same time not engaging in thoughts that fuel our need to feel better than someone else is important, I think.

If we can realize that what we are attempting to do is not just for our own benefit but also for the benefit of those who may not have it within them to do, it can be a wonderful way to foster compassion and healing for all involved. Or so I think.

edit: clarity

 

[Gertrudes]

When I read this I must laugh . I always thought I am the only one who stalks the shopping carts from other peoples. ( Maybe a program...).

I've found myself doing this, too. Don't know if it's a program, but I've found it helps to remind myself of the truth of the situation and strengthening resolve.

When I was a vegan, I noticed all the meat people were buying. Now I notice all the carbs. I suppose the question to ask at those moments is who do I become when I do this -- what are my "i's" up to?

I think this would have to do with the fine line between observing and acknowledging what's around us, being awake to reality and seeing it for what is, or observing what surrounds us with a skewed view whose real purpose would be self aggrandizement or deprecation.
Using the given example, am I able to observe other people's carts and See what is really going on around me, what people are eating and connect that to the rate of nowadays disease, or am I using my observations to fuel my sense of self worth, as in me better then them because I choose differently?

Speaking for myself, if a couple of years ago someone would have told me that fat is good for me and veggies are not that good, I would have discarded it without even giving it half a thought. The lies are very, very deep and ingrained in everyone's lifestyle, and it is very difficult for the common Joe to ever come across true health and diet data.

Added: I see that truth seeker has already brought up some good points :)

 

[Aiming]

You're all making valid points there and I agree: the question in those moments is what is behind this action of looking at what food others are buying.
It's btw not looking into others' carts but when I have to wait, looking at what the person in front of me at the cashier is putting out of their cart (haven't made that clear before). I have seen the self-aggrandizing thing at times, but most of the times, as truth seeker explained it, I'm being reminded of the big picture: all the lies about our food, how people are made to poison themselves every single day of their lives out of deliberate disinformation, as well as understanding from what viewpoint people are coming from, like truth seeker has said it here:

What I see quite often is whole grain bread sometimes whole wheat pastas and so on. What that says to me is that based on the information currently touted, some are trying to the best of their ability to eat healthy. Unfortunately, they are misled. This saddens me. As for the ones who are eating things that most agree isn't healthy (cakes, etc), they too fall under programming. In their case, that moderation is okay or they think in general it isn't harmful because they perceive no noticeable effects.

I also feel sadness when seeing this all around me, but while a few years back I would've tried to convince somebody I now know I can't, because apart from the principle of external consideration, I've come to understand from within myself that the programming runs so unbelieveably deep that the only way for somebody to change their ways really is through their own efforts, their own curiosity and open-mindedness.

Very interesting thread by the way, thanks Legolas for starting it.

 

[Gertrudes]

I also feel sadness when seeing this all around me, but while a few years back I would've tried to convince somebody I now know I can't, because apart from the principle of external consideration, I've come to understand from within myself that the programming runs so unbelieveably deep that the only way for somebody to change their ways really is through their own efforts, their own curiosity and open-mindedness.

You're so right Enaid.
Although I have to say that being around someone who I care for makes it really difficult for me to stay quiet when I should.... I do manage to stay quiet, but my very skin is boiling!
This is particularly true with my mother. She tries so, so hard to eat healthy, and after having had both her parents dying from heart disease she stays as far from fats as she can, takes drugs to lower her cholesterol, her only source of fat is margarine, vegetable oil and olive oil, and she eats loads of soy.

I know this topic has come up several times on the forum, but still, seeing someone you care for deeply trying to do what she believes is right, getting it all wrong and gradually destroying her health while you watch seems to take the little monster out of me