Doing this over and over again forever is kinda ass; my humble opinion

[Evan]

I always find myself falling back to the idea that time doesn’t exist, but rather is like records in a jukebox. Pondering the implications of that is endlessly fascinating to me. The idea that God could grow “bored” with the endless possibilities of songs, playlists, performances, performers, projects, eras…All spread out not only over time, but worlds upon worlds in places known and unimagined…rhythms of peoples, of the spheres, of the universe. So completely endless and full of possibilities and surprises. How could anyone possibly hit a wall, when walls are being torn down constantly? Over, under, around, or through. Just when you think every possible chord and note has been played out a million times, someone finds a way to make it new. Bored? Impossible.

 

[JGeropoulas]

Great topic for discussion. Being a curious person, as are most of us here, I used to joke that my "hell" would be to get to heaven and be escorted to my cloud and given a harp to play--for eternity! As others have said, boredom is largely related to our 3D outlook (destination vs. journey) and perceptions (or lack thereof). Since the universe is fractal in nature, seems there'll always be a level of existence or creation within the one that's currently familiar. Our sense of lack, which drives us to seek more, stems from our lack of awareness and knowledge of ourselves and creation. This lack of awareness leaves us feeling unstimulated, which is the root of boredom. But the more we become aware of the fractal nature of reality, and experience the energies composing it, within and around us, the more stimulated--and less bored-- we'll be. Someone once pointed out that the western view of heaven is "getting everything I want/need", whereas the Buddhist view is ceasing to want/need anything--an idea probably related to the comment attributed to Jesus, "The kingdom of heaven's within you". In summary, seems to me that the more we're able to fully BE, the less we'll feel compelled to DO (or be bored when there's nothing new to do).

 

[JGeropoulas]

"Divine Cosmic MInd...
Help me grow in knowledge
Of All Creation
...
That I may know and love
The Holiness of True Existence"
-- Prayer of the Soul

 

[Weontv]

I’m just lying in bed thinking about everything from 1st to 7th density. The cycle and whatnot. And then it’s rinse and repeat. This is the part I never understood but never wanted to get into.

What’s the point of experiencing consciousness over and over again? Like sure, learning and growing etc, but why so many times? Why endlessly if there is no point to anything. Why is god so bored?

The possibilities of manifestation are infinite.

Don't you think that part of why souls would recycle back to the earlier densities is to experience ignorance again? Knowing everything may get old. Like playing a video game you've beat 1000x.

You also have to keep in mind that every time the merge to 7D happens, a new universe is born that installs everything learned during that current iteration, to create a new universe with new mechanics.. new content.

I don't think there is no point. I think we are creating our "own point" as we go. God experiencing itself.

The issue I think you are experiencing, and this is probably quite common from the people on here.. myself included.. is that this planet doesn't offer much, physicality is slow and uninteresting, watching the slow evolution of our fellow man while also having access to information that we get on here further polarizes us. It is very hard.

I think a lot of people on this forum are Wanderers. They have talked about the revulsion of physicality you get here. The alienation. I would imagine that on the 4th Density some of the more interesting things we get to experience are what we are actually missing. Parapsychological ability, traversing space, having full access to the universe, merging technology with mind, actually being rewarded for merit, etc.. Things that many of us may have already had, which falls in line with you saying you aren't able to connect with higher consciousness. Because these bodies have likely been modified to be that way.

Think about how much there is to learn outside of this little 3D earthly drama we experience. The thought of being able to eventually learn/relearn these things make it all worth it imo.

 

[T.C.]

I'm maybe off with this, but here's what I wrote in that other thread:


It's also interesting what Aristotle had to say about infinity:

This quote doesn’t display properly for me. Does anyone else have the same issue?

 

[Evan]

This quote doesn’t display properly for me. Does anyone else have the same issue?


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I see it, but it’s very faint, almost invisible. I copied it and pasted it below and it looks fixed:

Aristotle as we shall see in the next chapter, did not deny the infinity of time. On the contrary, he affirmed the eternity of the world—that it has no beginning or end. But an infinite time does not exist at any one moment. Like the infinite series of whole numbers, it is only a potential, not an actual, infinite. So, too, the infinity of division is a potential, not an actual, infinite. Just as you can go on adding number after number without end, so you can go on dividing anything that is continuous without end. The number of fractions between the whole numbers two and three is infinite, just as the number of whole numbers is infinite. Both infinities, however, are potential, not actual. They do not actually exist at any moment of time.
At this or any other moment, Aristotle maintained, there cannot be an actual infinity of coexisting things, as there would be if the atomists were correct in their view. They held, it must be remembered, that at this very moment an actually infinite number of atoms coexist. It is that and that alone which Aristotle denied. His reasoning on this score ran as follows. Either the number of actually coexisting things is definite or indefinite. If it is infinite, it is indefinite. But nothing can be both actual and indefinite. Therefore, there cannot be an actual infinity of any sort—an actually infinite number of coexisting atoms, an actually infinite world, an actually infinite space that is filled with actually existing units of matter. The only infinities that there can be, according to Aristotle, are the potential infinities that are involved in the endless processes of addition or division. Since one moment of time succeeds another or precedes another, and since two moments of time do not actually coexist, time can be infinite.

 

[Menna]

I’m just lying in bed thinking about everything from 1st to 7th density. The cycle and whatnot. And then it’s rinse and repeat. This is the part I never understood but never wanted to get into.

What’s the point of experiencing consciousness over and over again? Like sure, learning and growing etc, but why so many times? Why endlessly if there is no point to anything. Why is god so bored?

You are making assumptions in your post which indicates more awareness knowledge and experience is needed.

You are a part of the larger consciousness system. Your goal is to lower your entropy thus updating and improving yourself and the system. There are other physical realities besides earth. You say go from 1st - 7th like you are going through school. This process is experienced by you and through you.

As you evolve and develop you experience different states of being non physical part physical and so on within different “rule sets” realities.

You are not 100% physical after 3D…What you know is yourself now in this “rule set” reality and the system wants you to “upgrade” what you know about yourself and how you live in this 100% physical reality as a 100% physical being…there is a lot to learn and you can experience the non physical and then come back to the physical…

It’s an interesting system and you haven’t learned everything. Your mindset is limiting and the way you are thinking will keep you in a limiting experience this is the cycle you are in and I can infer that it’s not the best.

You will move forward when you choose. The here and now can be better than it is for you right now once this happens your mindset will change because you have changed… read more and experience more

 

[aragorn]

I see it, but it’s very faint, almost invisible. I copied it and pasted it below and it looks fixed:

Aristotle as we shall see in the next chapter, did not deny the infinity of time. On the contrary, he affirmed the eternity of the world—that it has no beginning or end. But an infinite time does not exist at any one moment. Like the infinite series of whole numbers, it is only a potential, not an actual, infinite. So, too, the infinity of division is a potential, not an actual, infinite. Just as you can go on adding number after number without end, so you can go on dividing anything that is continuous without end. The number of fractions between the whole numbers two and three is infinite, just as the number of whole numbers is infinite. Both infinities, however, are potential, not actual. They do not actually exist at any moment of time.
At this or any other moment, Aristotle maintained, there cannot be an actual infinity of coexisting things, as there would be if the atomists were correct in their view. They held, it must be remembered, that at this very moment an actually infinite number of atoms coexist. It is that and that alone which Aristotle denied. His reasoning on this score ran as follows. Either the number of actually coexisting things is definite or indefinite. If it is infinite, it is indefinite. But nothing can be both actual and indefinite. Therefore, there cannot be an actual infinity of any sort—an actually infinite number of coexisting atoms, an actually infinite world, an actually infinite space that is filled with actually existing units of matter. The only infinities that there can be, according to Aristotle, are the potential infinities that are involved in the endless processes of addition or division. Since one moment of time succeeds another or precedes another, and since two moments of time do not actually coexist, time can be infinite.

Weird that the quote is faded, to myself it appears normal. Thank you for copy-pasting. To be clear, that passage is from the following book: Adler, Mortimer Jerome. Aristotle for Everybody (pp. 173-174). (Function). Kindle Edition.

 

[T.C.]

I see it, but it’s very faint, almost invisible. I copied it and pasted it below and it looks fixed:

Aristotle as we shall see in the next chapter, did not deny the infinity of time. On the contrary, he affirmed the eternity of the world—that it has no beginning or end. But an infinite time does not exist at any one moment. Like the infinite series of whole numbers, it is only a potential, not an actual, infinite. So, too, the infinity of division is a potential, not an actual, infinite. Just as you can go on adding number after number without end, so you can go on dividing anything that is continuous without end. The number of fractions between the whole numbers two and three is infinite, just as the number of whole numbers is infinite. Both infinities, however, are potential, not actual. They do not actually exist at any moment of time.
At this or any other moment, Aristotle maintained, there cannot be an actual infinity of coexisting things, as there would be if the atomists were correct in their view. They held, it must be remembered, that at this very moment an actually infinite number of atoms coexist. It is that and that alone which Aristotle denied. His reasoning on this score ran as follows. Either the number of actually coexisting things is definite or indefinite. If it is infinite, it is indefinite. But nothing can be both actual and indefinite. Therefore, there cannot be an actual infinity of any sort—an actually infinite number of coexisting atoms, an actually infinite world, an actually infinite space that is filled with actually existing units of matter. The only infinities that there can be, according to Aristotle, are the potential infinities that are involved in the endless processes of addition or division. Since one moment of time succeeds another or precedes another, and since two moments of time do not actually coexist, time can be infinite.

If there hadn’t been such a politically and religiously motivated effort to deny the existence of anything but the material world at that point in history - if he hadn’t been so biased against the theory of a formal, non-material realm of potentialities - he could have solved this problem, having the cake and eating it at the same time.

 

[Arlind]

I always find myself falling back to the idea that time doesn’t exist, but rather is like records in a jukebox. Pondering the implications of that is endlessly fascinating to me. The idea that God could grow “bored” with the endless possibilities of songs, playlists, performances, performers, projects, eras…All spread out not only over time, but worlds upon worlds in places known and unimagined…rhythms of peoples, of the spheres, of the universe. So completely endless and full of possibilities and surprises. How could anyone possibly hit a wall, when walls are being torn down constantly? Over, under, around, or through. Just when you think every possible chord and note has been played out a million times, someone finds a way to make it new. Bored? Impossible.

Yours was my favourite take in this, mostly cas, discussion (with lightheartedness being so very welcome these days).

I've never brought myself to learning to play instruments but music has always had a special place in my heart. And of course, that's the case for most people but I mean as "an experience", something abstract. Something I don't have to grasp to love, to want to have part of my life, at every moment. And, I imagine, for the artists it is the opposite: they want to be part of it, instruments of music.

On a mushy side-note, Tolkien curiously had his world, Eä (our mythical-ideallistic past through his eyes interpreting folklore he cherished) created or at least envisioned by Ainulindalë, the music of the Ainur (the higher spirits as expressions of the All, God, Illúvatar as he names him). Or perhaps, the Music was the score, with creation being the final performance. Then, it seems, these higher forces were given the opportunity to go in and shape it and live out the Music. Curiously, from outside the Music, the creator is the one that introduces the theme of the sentient races, seeds the souls so to speak, with the race of Men being his children (aka the Divine spark being in each and every mere mortal souled being).

Anyway, not going anywhere specific with this but pondering that construct and the abstract that is Music. It gives some interesting clues to me on what, a part of the meaning of these rides might be.

 

[hab]

I remember that C's once said we are all here in a time-space loop. Or that vas Laura's question and they answered: Yes.
Reincarnation—amnesia routine, over and over again... until we learn and graduate from this third density school. O.K.

But now, similar cycling we suppose to go through on the big level, from first to seventh density?! And everything we see when we get level seven, everything from first to seventh density is actually all-that-it-is! The best part is that cycling will be accepted by us as a result of free will because that's the way it is in all-that-it-is (1 to 7). And of course, we don't understand it now in third density at the moment because there are more lessons for us to be learned. If you look at the pattern it's not our first time doing this.

Who is that crazy to repeat first, second, and third density?
There are trees 2000 years old. What is more to learn to be frozen on that vibration so long except to be patient?

Long time ago first spiritual books I have been reading was Hare Krisna. I remember that thay said that our soul and God are sitting together as two little birds. God is obviously some sort of observer in that case in body in one's incarnation. God is not an actor like me in my body. God knows that time is not linear, It's all lesson, and its all big game, and many, many other things that I dont know.

Other third density explanation that is coming to my mind is in the movie "Little Buddha" by Bernardo Bertolucci where Lama Dorje is reincarnated into three children. Interesting detail in the movie is when a girl teasing other boys, calling them ignorants. The same soul splits in three different children in same time!

Yes, we do not have Knowledge about all-that-it-is.

C's are still on sixth density, and they are still learning too! Like they say.

They are waiting for us to climb on!!

And I'll say this:
A surprise party is waiting for all of us when the elevator hits the seventh density!!

(I didn't use translator so apologies for my english mistakes, I had quick inspiration and just write it down)

 

[washable_orbit]

I always find myself falling back to the idea that time doesn’t exist, but rather is like records in a jukebox. Pondering the implications of that is endlessly fascinating to me. The idea that God could grow “bored” with the endless possibilities of songs, playlists, performances, performers, projects, eras…All spread out not only over time, but worlds upon worlds in places known and unimagined…rhythms of peoples, of the spheres, of the universe. So completely endless and full of possibilities and surprises. How could anyone possibly hit a wall, when walls are being torn down constantly? Over, under, around, or through. Just when you think every possible chord and note has been played out a million times, someone finds a way to make it new. Bored? Impossible.

I understand what you’re trying to say but this doesn’t seem impressive to me at all.

Either way, although I appreciate the discussion, I think some of you took my post a little too seriously. Obviously god can’t be bored if he’s not a person. And yes, I’m aware that we are all part of the one and blah blah.

Some of these discussions would’ve excited me 15 years ago.

You will move forward when you choose. The here and now can be better than it is for you right now once this happens your mindset will change because you have changed… read more and experience more

A bit condescending and also filled with assumptions. But thank you for your input, there is never enough reading.

 

[Moine]

I’m just lying in bed thinking about everything from 1st to 7th density. The cycle and whatnot. And then it’s rinse and repeat. This is the part I never understood but never wanted to get into.

What’s the point of experiencing consciousness over and over again? Like sure, learning and growing etc, but why so many times? Why endlessly if there is no point to anything. Why is god so bored?

Interesting.

I wouldn't say god is bored, rather that god is hungry for your experiences, interactions, and wisdom.

It's like gastronomy (a polite word for culinary arts/sciences, and catered experiences at some venue). You can encounter the same exact entree (meats +- veggies), in thousands of different venues, all prepared with different nuances or cultural inspirations, and especially with divergent presentations and degrees, to be shared, enjoyed, and discussed in person, with or without friends, or even through social media these days.

You might have some expectation of the taste of the dish being served, but depending on the skill of another preparing it for you, you may be thoroughly surprised and appraised of the novelty, joy, refreshment and invigoration of the same meal you've had thousands of times before, in thousands of different ways and seasons.

I'll include a little clip, recorded in 1988, between Marco Pierre White and Raymond Blanc, two Michelin-starred chefs, former master and former apprentice, whose magical little interaction was managed to be captured in video, in full fidelity, for posterity.

Even say a homeless person, who has to dig through newly thrown-out trash for scraps of food, is having fun, for they get to live through another day of experience. A starving person is also having fun, for they get to experience the state of starvation.

Yes, those things may be dismal in the moment, but if they are possible to be experienced, then it is part of the menu for any given "plan" of life on a planet.

As for you/us:

You're living in a rare moment where the testimony, erudition, and well rhetoric of hundreds upon thousands of people is accessible to you in some way or another through the internet, not to mention any creative works which are easily duplicated and transmitted electronically. You don't need to become the next Elon Musk, for that is a matter that is dealt simply with statistics. All you need to do is to make the most of your opportunity in this life, in the thousands of different ways that may suit your fancy. Or not, since that's also an option, lol.

 

[Evan]

I understand what you’re trying to say but this doesn’t seem impressive to me at all.

Either way, although I appreciate the discussion, I think some of you took my post a little too seriously. Obviously god can’t be bored if he’s not a person. And yes, I’m aware that we are all part of the one and blah blah.

Some of these discussions would’ve excited me 15 years ago.


A bit condescending and also filled with assumptions. But thank you for your input, there is never enough reading.

Well I’m sorry what keeps me fascinated bores you. You’re could easily take god’s name out of my post and insert your own. I was telling what works for me. YMMV.

 

[msasa79]

Chapter 6 "The New Creation" of The Sufi Path of Knowledge by W. C. Chittick touches upon the subject in the thread title in a rather nice way, elaborating more or less in details Ibn al'Arabi's take on the matters in question.

In short, there're no repetitions whatsoever anywhere in cosmos or existence, at any point in time, according to 'unveiling' by al'Arabi, which also the C's have hinted about by using the phrase "infinite iterations" (of space and time) instead of "repetitions".

Same chapter includes section titled "Boredom", saying in the opening passage, "Hence, no one with any understanding of the nature of things can suffer boredom, whether in this world or the next". In short, "being bored" comes from ignorance, lack of knowledge of ourselves and God.

FWIW.