Dream Work

[BlackCartouche]

@gnosisxsophia Hmm... Hermaphrodites, I remember the C's asking if we were ready to become hermaphrodites in the next density, yet in this density it's seen as an abomination.

Kore/Khloe/Chloe/Cleo/Clio: I wasn't going to mention the Renault Clio (genuine mistake spelling it "Cleo" btw) as I thought it irrelevant. I decided to put it in because it stuck fast in my mind for some reason.

You're very good connecting linguistic connections with ancient folklore, legends and mythology of the Heavens. As tempting as it is, I try not to indulge too much into ancient mythology these days as I get too easily lost in it all and my head starts swimming. However, I was captured with Laura's sum-up you quoted regards Demeter and her daughter Persephone/Kore as representing "pure consciousness/mother of all" and the representation of her issued progeny as "individuated consciousness" respectively. That cuts through EVERYTHING regards the highest concepts of 'Being' and the *journey* through understanding the nature of existence itself. I thought it compelling "Demeter" is very close to "diameter" because "dia-meter" can mean "divine measurement" in Greek (though most definitions "dia" is translated "across" or "through" - the line of measurement passing through the centre of circles and spheres (and eggs?)).

Anyway, I have to log-off now, but want to add: According to Baby Name Wizard, Khloe was used as a summer epithet for Demeter Khloe Name Meaning & Origin

In the correct-side-up hemisphere... Summer is well and truly over. RIP Chloe.

 

[gnosisxsophia]

G'day mate,

You're very good connecting linguistic connections with ancient folklore, legends and mythology of the Heavens. As tempting as it is, I try not to indulge too much into ancient mythology these days as I get too easily lost in it all and my head starts swimming.

Yeah I agree, it makes my head spin too....however it seems our dream authors are intent on hinting towards something which often feels like a course in Cryptic Mythology or more often Goddesses for Dummies - which is rather interesting - so I figure may as well try and play along .

Had a laugh the other day following a dream with an echidna jumping all me, licking and nuzzling and basically carrying on like a little puppy - which was a little awkward as they're rather prickly to cuddle -




As afterwards I look into what in the world an echidna might symbolise, which led immediately to - Echidna - goddess of the Scythians....





Like REALLY

... we are told that the Greeks were instructed by the Arabs which certainly makes us wonder who were these original Arabs who seem to be the Tribe of Dan. And we note, of course, the name similarity to Danae, the mother of Perseus. And of course, Perseus had the gorgon s head which was so similar in function to the Ark of the Covenant, and the stories belong to the ancient Scythians.

Moses and Aaron


So you can imagine where that goes....

I was captured with Laura's sum-up regards Demeter and her daughter Persephone/Kore as representing "pure consciousness/mother of all" and the representation of her issued progeny as "individuated consciousness" respectively. That cuts through EVERYTHING regards the highest concepts of 'Being' and the *journey* through understanding the nature of existence itself.

Yep

I thought it compelling "Demeter" is very close to "diameter" because "dia-meter" can mean "divine measurement" in Greek (though most definitions "dia" is translated "across" or "through" - the line of measurement passing through the centre of circles and spheres (and eggs?)).

Yeah me too, plus dia is also a goddess (equated with Hebe), dea dia translates to Divine Goddess and you know who meter is...

Your circle reference also reminds me of -

There's goddess Circe of Aeaea you mentioned, of which can mean "encircled" or "loop around" from Greek "kirkoô" and a good likelihood for our word "circle"

And

I will say, I'm always intrigued with words starting with 'Ph' of the Greek letter "Phi"

Which points my OCD goddess recognition pattern to Phi-neus (who aided Jason on his quest, much as Circe did for Odysseus and whose name can translate to 'seer') brother of Europa, son of Phoenix / Cassiopeia and husband of Cleopatra.

Kore/Khloe/Chloe/Cleo

And on that note we're back to your very interesting dream .

See you over there.

J

 

[gnosisxsophia]

gotta dig out a dream journal first, your spelling of 'Cleo' has set off my antenna

Found it, Sept 8th -





Pardon my chicken scratching but it's funny that we're back at these dream snippets because they had a very 'Cassiopaean' feel at the time and I'd forgotten all about them...

Interesting too is the way the word 'Cleo' was presented - very similiar to early in the year when I got 'Kisito'?

Notable I guess that both are FOTCM members, but in this instance also it was interesting that the name was given between an excerpt of music that I wasn't familiar with - by a band called Armored Saint - and a scene where I was participating in a dancing crowd that were doing a Mexican Wave.

And although I didn't recognise anybody, the impression was that the crowd were all participants in the 'C's forum and during the scene a girl named 'Kailah' happened to arrive and promptly tell me that I HAD to dance (being the only one that wasn't ).

Which I guess means I should try and participate in the Forum more ??

Anyway I looked into the name 'Kailah' and apparently it can mean Laurel Crown (in Hebrew) just like someone else we know... or Ka + ilah - which was a coincidence as there were surrounding dreams including Aliyas and Ali?

The most interesting thing though was that the Armored Saint song led to the album La Raza - which then led to discovering the intriguing movement (proposed by Mexican intellectuals in the early 20th Century) that is referred to in the shortened version as La Raza...

Or more accurately La raza cósmica, or in English The Cosmic Race ....

So in this context your transliteration -

Kore/Khloe/Chloe/Cleo

Has now made the dream particularly meaningful and I'd like to thank you for that.

Much appreciated.

J

 

[Anthony]

Since I've been reading about dream work lately, and lucid dreaming, I though I'd share some of the things I've gathered about it, but also to try and sort out my thoughts on the topic.

When checking the transcript, C's referenced dreamwork once as far as I can find, and in the context of getting over past life influences:

A: More important would be dream work. There are strong past life influences.

Q: (L) So I would say, do the meditation before sleeping and then go into work.

(Guest) What is dream work?

(Bubbles) It's a movie company. [laughter]

(L) Dream work is when... and I guess you'll have to read some of Ark's journal entries. What you'll need to do is read some of his journal entries and see how he approached a problem of the self. Then when you see how he wrote it down, how he looked at it, saw it, looked at it from different directions. Once you see how to identify the problems, how to think about them, then what you do is you do the meditation. Then when that's over, or even while you're doing it, you think about the problem. You come at it in the same way as if you were writing about it. Maybe even take memories and you examine them and you think about them. You think about everything you can remember. And then you have it in your mind as you go to sleep. Then, if you wake up during the night with a dream, or in the morning with some insight, you write it down. This is where stuff comes from really deep areas. It may be something that's not so much current life dissociation as it is something even deeper. That might be a question you might want to ask.

A couple of useful forum posts on dream work that summarize briefly what it's about:

I would say that the main thing about dream work is not to get all worked up about systems, clocks, etc etc. but simply this from Psyche's post:

Work on the problem a lot. A period of intense mental work on a problem before sleep, "instructs" the subconscious mind that this is important, and it will continue to work on the problem during sleep.

It seems to me that even more important than writing in your journal after the dream is writing in your journal just before going to bed. That is how we can "engineer" our future.

Instead of a dream journal on its own, you might try "dreamwork", which involves journaling before sleep about whatever is on your mind, a stream of consciousness or problems or ideas or worries, and then going to sleep with the prayer of the soul for example, and THEN writing down any dreams you have. Keeping a dream journal on it's own might not be that useful if you are not actively giving your subconscious a chance to process important information and come up with possible solutions in dreams, by journaling first.

The way I've come to understand dreamwork is that it's a decision or an intent to use your dreams in order to shed light on a certain aspect of reality; it can be about something you're struggling with in your daily life, it can be for the benefit of personal growth, or you can just use it for fun like flying during dreams. The word "use" is probably not right, since it has more to do with creativity, openness and surrender than trying to control things. And since you're going to dream anyway, even if you don't remember them, might as well guide the process for your benefit.

In Creative Dreaming the author shares some of the benefits that can be gotten from dream work and lucid dreaming:

You will understand yourself better. You will help define and unity the unique personality that is you. You will find support and help for
waking problems.
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The creative dreamer’s greatest advantage over the ordinary dreamer is his continuous opportunity to unify his personality. The fearlessness of dream images that the creative dreamer learns from the Senoi, Yoga and lucid dream control systems produces a mood of capability that carries over into waking life, providing a foundation for confident, capable action.
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You may actually be able to develop your own independence by appropriate uses of your dreams. I suggest that the extensive use of dreams is an attempt by the dreamer to deal with his problems. I believe that the proper use of dreams produces and increases self-reliance. Perhaps dreams are originally used because of anxiety, but I believe they are more probably used as an active attempt to solve problems facing the dreamer.
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The dream success generates a mood of capability in waking life. As you will see in later chapters, a feeling of ability to cope in waking life and a sense of happiness often result from positive dream experiences and increase the probability of success with waking life problems. As you practice and develop dream control skills, you will establish a similar growth cycle in yourself.
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We may choose to use our fear-free dreams to practice skills and attitudes we wish to exhibit in the waking state. We may choose to
pose questions to ourselves and observe the responses that arise. We may wish to use a fear-free dream state as a realm of consciousness in which we can engage in all manner of self knowledge.
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In a lucid dream it becomes possible for you to use your special state of awareness as a kind of personal laboratory in which you can deliberately engage in a “behavioral rehearsal” of skills you wish to increase in waking life—anything from perfecting tennis strokes to assertive behavior can profitably be practiced during a lucid dream. Choose your topic and perfect it.
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Is there some fear you would like to eradicate? Lucid dreaming may help you in that task. In the self-therapy field, lucid dreams have successfully reduced phobias: a man decreased his fear of heights by using his lucid dreams of flying to gradually rise higher; a woman eliminated her fear of bugs in a lucid dream of having a “nice talk” with a cockroach; a musician reduced his fear of playing solo before a large audience by performing in a lucid dream.

The preferred method that has been mentioned on the forum is to work intensely on the issue you want to explore prior to sleep by writing about it. It might take a day or two for it to sink in, but it definitely does work. It's kind of like exhausting the mind by looking at the problem from several directions, which if you're earnest and honest about, will make you realize that you don't really know the answer, and that leads you into a state of wonder and not knowing. Once you see the limitation of the conscious mind, it sort of brings online parts of the mind that you aren't aware of, and most likely things beyond, such as the "information field".

I also like what Gaby shared in on the threads on the forum, and that is to use a prayer: "I pray to have a dream that I can understand that will guide me about/through...". Later I found out that this is called Istikhara in Islam, which consists of the recital of a prayer before sleep with the expectation of an answer to a difficult problem in a dream of that night.

I think it's important to set the intention, saturate your mind by journaling or meditation, and then just let go and allow things to appear or not on their own accord. I've listened to a podcast recently on intuition, and one of the speakers said that sometimes we don't get an answers to a question when we ask or pray for guidance, and that is because it might not be needed at the time, because we have something to learn from the experience we're having. So not knowing might be precisely what's needed to learn a certain lesson.

Some useful tips from Creative Dreaming book:

Remind yourself before going to sleep that you will remember your dreams.
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Your body should be in a deeply relaxed state when you present yourself with suggestions for the intended dream. After you have obtained your own peaceful place, the next step is to clearly formulate your intended dream. Choose a specific dream topic. Next, put your intention into a concise positive phrase. To simply state to yourself, for example, “I think I'll try to have a flying dream tonight,” is not strong enough. Say instead, “Tonight I fly in my dream.” Your dream state mind will accept ideas that are repeated more readily than unrepeated ones.
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Elements that are crucial to obtain a desired dream: (1) clearly formulate the desired dream, (2) accept the fact that it is possible to induce dreams, and (3) concentrate your attention patiently and persistently on the desired dream. Instead of a prayer, you can substitute a simple, clear request to yourself for a specific dream. Using the same words, or a similar phrase, repeat it many times, concentrating your thoughts upon it.
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Anticipate having a particular dream—when he formulates a clear intention and proceeds to have the predicted dream—so there is a basis of suspecting that self-induced suggestion may be fully as powerful, if not more so, than outside influence.
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Reminded herself of her desired dream several times during the day, as well as prior to sleep. Repeat like a lullaby
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Visualize the desired dream as though it is happening. See it as though it is happen-ing right now. Picture it. Feel as though it is already real. After you have pictured the dream, picture its results.
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Another waking procedure that will increase your ability to induce future dreams is to make observations or involve yourself in activities that are relevant to your desired dream.
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Other practices are essential to dream induction—the belief in importance of dreaming, reward for dreaming, external suggestion to dream, self-suggestion to dream, intense concentration on the desired dream, thinking about dreams, relating to dream images, and using symbols from dreams
(and possibly enhancement of dreaming by fasting and isolation). We are able to follow these practices. Giving dreams an important role in our lives may accomplish more than we realize.

Summary of one of the chapters from the same book: What We Can Learn From Ancient Dreamers.

1. Find a place (external or internal) where you feel peaceful and undistracted.
2. Clearly formulate your intention for a desired dream.
3. Put your intention into a concise, clear, positive phrase (a dream task).
4. Deeply relax your body.
5. While in a drowsy, relaxed state, repeat your desired dream phrase several times, to yourself or aloud (and occasionally during the day, if possible). Concentrate your thoughts on it.
6. Visualize your desired dream as though it is happening,
and picture yourself after having had the desired dream.
7. Believe that your subconscious can provide the desired
dream.
8. Work with your current dreams.
a. Question your dream characters or the dream in general while in a drowsy state.
b. Question dream images during the dream when possible.
c. Try to determine “topdog” and “underdog” characters in your dreams, and state the needs of “underdog” clearly and convincingly.
d. Record or tell your dreams in the present tense.
e. Attend especially to positive idiosyncratic dream images.
f. Produce positive dream images in some form in waking life.
g. Share your dreams with other people interested in creative dreaming.
9. Make observations or engage in activities relevant to your desired dream, especially just before sleeping.
10. Inducing dreams is a learned skill; it takes time and practice. Don’t give up if you don’t have immediate success. Keep trying.

As for lucid dreaming specifically, here are my notes from Learn to Lucid Dream book:

To become lucid in a dream means that you directly realize: "here I am dreaming." It's awareness within dreams. It's knowing that you're dreaming. It's explicit - you can spell out: "I'm dreaming."

You need to remember that you're dreaming. In ordinary dreams you don't think about your state of consciousness. You assume that you're awake, which limits your range of possible experiences. Train yourself to identify the features that distinguish your dreams from waking reality.

1. Dream recall - being able to remember your dreams is the main starting point for learning how to lucid dream. Dream recall is best cultivated by writing dreams down in a journal. Dream recall can easily be improved through motivation and intention, so your bias towards forgetting dreams can be considered a learned behaviour. As you're about to sleep, remind yourself that you're about to have several periods during which you'll be dreaming. Set the intention to wake up from, remember and record these dreams.

2. Set your goals - prepare your mind for what you'd like to explore in your next lucid dream. Set your dream goals, have clear and specific tasks, don't be vague. Remind yourself of the goal. Defining your vision will increase your chances of success, but leave room for spontaneity. Leave room to being open to observing and exploring without necessarily trying to change it. Lucid dreaming is not about controlling but creativity. Have the right attitude about it.

Preparation: Set the intention to remember your dreams, and also to awaken from your dreams to write them down. Remember that every 90min or so, you'll be dreaming and be given this chance. Know too that you naturally experience several brief awakenings over the course of the night. When you wake up during this period, say to yourself: "I am awake now, what was I just dreaming." Recall and record the dream in as much detail as you can.

Practice relaxation - quite the mind, focus on feeling good, stop worrying, proactively relax both muscles and mind.

Look forward to your dreams - as you're in bed, become curious and eager for what your dreaming mind has to show you. Know that you'll experience several opportunities for becoming lucid and remembering your dreams.

Upon waking - lie still with eyes closed and try to remember what you dreamed. Unless you make efforts to remember your dreams, your prone to forget them quickly after waking. Don't open your eyes, or move.

Dream signs - these are odd events happening in dreams that have low probability of occurring in daily life. After writing down a dream, note down elements in the dream which are signs you were dreaming. Noticing dream signs will help you become lucid during dreams.

Categories of dream signs:

Form: the shape of your or another's body is strange or morphing. Abnormal features of places, objects appearing or disappearing.

Context: finding yourself in a setting or a situation that would unlikely occur in waking life.

Action: action that is impossible in the physical world.

Inner awareness: sensation of your body feels different, intense emotions that occur only in dreams, thoughts that only occur in dreams

Action and inner awareness are usually most likely associated with lucid dreaming.

Remind yourself that the next time you encounter these dream signs, you'll remember that you are dreaming

There's a lot more I could share, but since I can't cover everything, it's better to read the books if anyone is interested. The ones that I've found most useful are: Creative Dreaming, Living Your Dreams and Learn to Lucid Dream. There's a lot of books out there that use Jungian psychology, but I found those to not be that great. Anyway, I hope it will be helpful to some.

 

[Wandering Star]

Since I've been reading about dream work lately, and lucid dreaming, I though I'd share some of the things I've gathered about it, but also to try and sort out my thoughts on the topic.

When checking the transcript, C's referenced dreamwork once as far as I can find, and in the context of getting over past life influences:



A couple of useful forum posts on dream work that summarize briefly what it's about:






The way I've come to understand dreamwork is that it's a decision or an intent to use your dreams in order to shed light on a certain aspect of reality; it can be about something you're struggling with in your daily life, it can be for the benefit of personal growth, or you can just use it for fun like flying during dreams. The word "use" is probably not right, since it has more to do with creativity, openness and surrender than trying to control things. And since you're going to dream anyway, even if you don't remember them, might as well guide the process for your benefit.

In Creative Dreaming the author shares some of the benefits that can be gotten from dream work and lucid dreaming:



The preferred method that has been mentioned on the forum is to work intensely on the issue you want to explore prior to sleep by writing about it. It might take a day or two for it to sink in, but it definitely does work. It's kind of like exhausting the mind by looking at the problem from several directions, which if you're earnest and honest about, will make you realize that you don't really know the answer, and that leads you into a state of wonder and not knowing. Once you see the limitation of the conscious mind, it sort of brings online parts of the mind that you aren't aware of, and most likely things beyond, such as the "information field".

I also like what Gaby shared in on the threads on the forum, and that is to use a prayer: "I pray to have a dream that I can understand that will guide me about/through...". Later I found out that this is called Istikhara in Islam, which consists of the recital of a prayer before sleep with the expectation of an answer to a difficult problem in a dream of that night.

I think it's important to set the intention, saturate your mind by journaling or meditation, and then just let go and allow things to appear or not on their own accord. I've listened to a podcast recently on intuition, and one of the speakers said that sometimes we don't get an answers to a question when we ask or pray for guidance, and that is because it might not be needed at the time, because we have something to learn from the experience we're having. So not knowing might be precisely what's needed to learn a certain lesson.

Some useful tips from Creative Dreaming book:



Summary of one of the chapters from the same book: What We Can Learn From Ancient Dreamers.


As for lucid dreaming specifically, here are my notes from Learn to Lucid Dream book:



There's a lot more I could share, but since I can't cover everything, it's better to read the books if anyone is interested. The ones that I've found most useful are: Creative Dreaming, Living Your Dreams and Learn to Lucid Dream. There's a lot of books out there that use Jungian psychology, but I found those to not be that great. Anyway, I hope it will be helpful to some.

My interpretation is that in dreams where the subconscious works, we are genuinely offered challenges based on what we need to improve and our reaction is genuine, it is who we really are.

Do you have attachments to material things? Then you will have a dream where someone steals your car and you fight, get angry, and feel great anxiety.

We woke up and what a relief, right? It was a dream.

The normal thing is to let it go, but on the other hand, you can review the dream and its sensations and apply them to your waking life.

There is a congruent relationship with total security.

Little by little, as you work on it, the impact on your subconscious will be seen in your dreams.

Suddenly one day, you have a dream having a thief steal our car will cause the same anxiety and suffering as brushing our teeth.

None.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I thought this was an interesting podcast