Dutroux Cover-up Protected Pedophile Networks

bngenoh said:
Pai said:
Just wanted to re-iterate on what I wrote on your Facebook link. I don't know where to find this but I believe the C's have remarked that consciousness is matter. Unfortunately this psychopathic excess to which you refer is not restricted to the psychopaths. Via increasing violence, pornography and general degradation on television, the mainstream media and cinema as well as the monstrous consumption of hardcore pornography across the globe, it's not difficult to imagine what kind of 'matter' and energies are being manifested as all this pathology is assimilated into the collective consciousness of the human race.
Don't you mean matter is consciousness?

Well, I've been searching for the quote in the transcripts and can't seem to find it, perhaps I'm wrong. I seem to recall Laura asking if matter was consciousness, and they replied something like 'what about the other way round?' Again, I may be misremembering this. But the premise of the C's exposition of the universe is that matter arises from consciousness and not the other way round. My own conception of 'The Wave' is that any physical effects are directly related to the sum total energies accumulated via consciousness. Like a mirror in which the realm of consciousness reflects its material counterpart. I'd imagine the material counterpart of the pathology exposed in these articles to certainly look something like cometary carnage and destruction on a massive scale. Sodom and Gomorrah indeed.


Pai said:
It seems humanity has been cheated entirely here via the corruption of science in terms of being fed the lie of materialism and evolutionary theory which denies entirely the reality of the soul and the fact that consciousness is an energy which can affect the material world. As you say, the connection of the ancient flood stories to sexual excess seems to make sense in this light. It's funny because I've been thinking recently that the Biblical stuff is starting to seem more and more relevant. All this sexual excess really involves looking at each other as pieces of meat: an ignorance and denial of how the Universe (God) really works and objectively exists. Denial of 'God' really does involve punishment, only the dynamics are related to energy and consciousness being material and causative, not to do with some guy with control issues.
This is a comment to what is in red: It is the rightful exercise of the freewill any being, to sell anyone anything, but it is also the rightful exercise of freewill, not to buy what is sold. If "they" are selling you lies & slavery, it is one's right not to buy. Most of what humanity as a species is currently going through is as a result of ignorance of "them."

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True but this has been a dirty war waged by the machinations of psychopathy and I have to say that I struggle with the idea of 'free will' in such a context. It is 'one's right not to buy' as you say but the ability to do so by most has been severely restricted. I guess it really is the case that people will keep suffering until they learn to stop. This is just very hard to swallow some days.
 

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SeekinTruth said:
As far as what we can do about it, I really don't know. I try to use the sorrow and anger as fuel to push me to do more practical, useful things. Spreading the word, supporting this network is all I can think of -- nothing else comes to mind what to do about it. Protecting these children would be the best thing to do, but I don't think that's possible at this point, with the pathological deviants running everything (not to mention the Authoritarian Followers thinking the 'paths in power can do no wrong).
Completely agree. It's incredibly difficult to bear witness to these atrocities but I try to keep in mind that someone, somewhere this very minute is probably going through this and if it were me, I'd want someone to at least be aware of what happening and doing their best to let others know. That's where we come in - to give a voice to those whose cries go ignored.

This is not a suggestion, but I've even posted stuff on fb - both Sott articles and videos made by those in the past and currently - that attempt to spread the word. That way, the efforts of others speaking out - and there are such people thankfully - become amplified. Each person, doing their small part results in something greater, I think.

JFK said:
Indeed Belgium seems so innocent, and that is maybe why it is at heart of a lots of activity in the world.
Perhaps in their quest to remain hidden, they may prefer "small" places that on the face of it don't seem to be given much notice by the world at large. In the Channel Islands in Jersey (UK), the Haut de la Garenne tragedies and continual coverup occurred. I'd never even heard of Jersey until I did a search for child sex rings. From what I've seen, many there are quite aware of the situation and generally seem to fall into one of three camps - it happened in the past, they don't want to talk about it at all, or they're outraged by it.

That said, this is happening everywhere and some who have dared to speak out eventually grow weary of not being heard or worse yet, suffer retaliation for their actions. So perhaps by us lending support by sharing their stories, will on some level give them the strength to keep going if they see they're not alone in this.
 

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From what I've seen, many there are quite aware of the situation and generally seem to fall into one of three camps - it happened in the past, they don't want to talk about it at all, or they're outraged by it.
It is the same here in Belgium. Many, many Belgian people are convinced of the existence of networks. Illustrator, humorist and TV personality Philippe Geluck, disgusted by it all made several declarations to the press at the time, notably on France Info:

J'étais une des seules voix de la société civile, des intellectuels belges à ouvrir ma gueule. Et il y a eu après la marche blanche qui a rassemblé 400 000 personnes dans les rues de Bruxelles un retournement de la presse officielle qui a été effrayant. Je pense qu'il y a eu une prise en main par l'Etat du contrôle de la presse. Et les journaux, même les journaux soi-disant libres, ont complètement retourné leur chemise dans le sens de la thèse officielle, à savoir Dutroux était un prédateur isolé, il n'a agi que pour lui, il n'avait pas de complice. Dutroux n'était pas un pédophile lui-même. Il aimait les jeunes filles de 15-16 ans, mais pas des petites filles de 8 ans. Il ne consommait pas des petites filles de 8 ans, jamais. Alors pourquoi a-t-il enlevé Julie et Mélissa ?

(...) Vous n'imaginez pas la manipulation d'opinion qui s'est passée à ce moment-là. Et tous les journalistes qui ont découvert des choses importantes dans cette affaire se sont retrouvés sur le carreau, virés, ils sont maintenant au chômage, on leur a fermé la gueule, je vous assure qu'il y a une supercherie gigantesque derrière tout ça.
my translation said:
I was one of the only voices from Belgian civil society and intellectuals to open my mouth. And after the Marche Blanche to which 400 000 people took part in the streets of Brussels, the mainstream media operated a terrifying U-turn. I think that the State took control of the press. And newspapers, even so-called free newspapers changed sides to follow the official thesis, i.e. that Dutroux was an isolated predator who acted solely for his own benefit, that he did not have any accomplice. Dutroux was no pedophile. He liked 15-16 year-old girls, not 8 year-olds. He did not consume 8-year-old little girls. So why did he abduct Julie and Mélissa?

(...) You cannot imagine the manipulation of opinions that took place at the time. All the journalists who uncovered important things in this case were left high and dry, were fired, are now unemployed, they were made to shut up. I can assure you that a deception of gigantic proportions is behind all this.
He received a lot of flak for his positions. But many Belgian people agreed. It's just that, as for everything, they don't know what to do about it. I've said it before, Belgian people are drilled to obey blindly and manifesting, rebelling or rejecting authority is very, very rare here.

Truth Seeker said:
It's incredibly difficult to bear witness to these atrocities but I try to keep in mind that someone, somewhere this very minute is probably going through this and if it were me, I'd want someone to at least be aware of what happening and doing their best to let others know. That's where we come in - to give a voice to those whose cries go ignored.

This is not a suggestion, but I've even posted stuff on fb - both Sott articles and videos made by those in the past and currently - that attempt to spread the word. That way, the efforts of others speaking out - and there are such people thankfully - become amplified. Each person, doing their small part results in something greater, I think.
I also feel powerless. I give the info as soon as I can/it is the right time. I don't sugar-coat it. I don't have a FB account (nor do I want one) but I do send important articles to friends, colleagues, clients per email. They usually involve something health-related. This is more delicate. Can I really send an email to a friend with the SOTT article in attachment, out of the blue if I never did so before? Would this be respecting free will? I don't know.
 

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truth seeker said:
It's incredibly difficult to bear witness to these atrocities but I try to keep in mind that someone, somewhere this very minute is probably going through this and if it were me, I'd want someone to at least be aware of what happening and doing their best to let others know. That's where we come in - to give a voice to those whose cries go ignored.
I had to force myself to read through the articles, they are absolutely gut wrenching. Several times I had to stop because I could not stop crying, but I made myself go on thinking just as truth seeker has said, that bearing witness to this torture and then spreading the word is something, no matter how minimal, that I can do.

But oh, the agony of seeing this world for what it is, for what is really going on, the cruelty, the monsters who run this world, well, I don't think we have invented a word that can actually convey the horror of it all.
 

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Mrs.Tigersoap said:
He received a lot of flak for his positions. But many Belgian people agreed. It's just that, as for everything, they don't know what to do about it. I've said it before, Belgian people are drilled to obey blindly and manifesting, rebelling or rejecting authority is very, very rare here.
Yes, having lived there for 2 years, I found the people interesting. They do seem to blindly obey authority and at the same time (to me) have a certain spirit about them - on an individual level, from what I've experienced, Belgians can be quite spirited so I don't know. That said, although Americans can be seen as having loud mouths, I don't get the impression that we're much different.

The first time I heard about the Dutroux affair was from the person I was staying with. He was understandably outraged. It's difficult to say what people "should" do I guess because it's not as if no one tried, it's just that after awhile, one doesn't know what more to do, you know? One by one, people get picked off or shouted down by authorities and maybe each person, as they see this happening, becomes afraid or loses confidence.

Mrs.Tigersoap said:
I also feel powerless. I give the info as soon as I can/it is the right time. I don't sugar-coat it. I don't have a FB account (nor do I want one) but I do send important articles to friends, colleagues, clients per email. They usually involve something health-related. This is more delicate. Can I really send an email to a friend with the SOTT article in attachment, out of the blue if I never did so before? Would this be respecting free will? I don't know.
Dunno. I guess that would depend on how well you feel you know the person.
 

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manitoban said:
truth seeker said:
It's incredibly difficult to bear witness to these atrocities but I try to keep in mind that someone, somewhere this very minute is probably going through this and if it were me, I'd want someone to at least be aware of what happening and doing their best to let others know. That's where we come in - to give a voice to those whose cries go ignored.
I had to force myself to read through the articles, they are absolutely gut wrenching. Several times I had to stop because I could not stop crying, but I made myself go on thinking just as truth seeker has said, that bearing witness to this torture and then spreading the word is something, no matter how minimal, that I can do.

But oh, the agony of seeing this world for what it is, for what is really going on, the cruelty, the monsters who run this world, well, I don't think we have invented a word that can actually convey the horror of it all.
No, we haven't. I read everything and watched the videos last night, and I could not sleep either. All the stories from the girls, the images, the lives they had to live, their dissociative disorders.... Who does those things to children or any other living being? Who thinks of such stuff?! Even the reptiles are "kinder" to their offspring.

The comets are well over-due.... Meanwhile, yes, we can spread the word....
 

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I'm still reading through the LONG "Beyond the Dutroux Affair: The reality of protected child abuse and snuff networks in a world run by psychopaths" article on SOTT. I have to say, I'm REALLY having a hard time. I don't know, do I really need to read the details of just how cruel and depraved these creatures are?

I really feel SO horrible. Crying, anger, feeling really sick. I can't finish it tonight, anyway, but I'm going to see how I feel tomorrow to continue. I've just read and watched too much about all this in the last several months. This particular article is a real challenge to try to push through and finish it.
 

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SeekinTruth said:
I'm still reading through the LONG "Beyond the Dutroux Affair: The reality of protected child abuse and snuff networks in a world run by psychopaths" article on SOTT. I have to say, I'm REALLY having a hard time. I don't know, do I really need to read the details of just how cruel and depraved these creatures are?

I really feel SO horrible. Crying, anger, feeling really sick. I can't finish it tonight, anyway, but I'm going to see how I feel tomorrow to continue. I've just read and watched too much about all this in the last several months. This particular article is a real challenge to try to push through and finish it.
I am in a similar state. I'm still reading through this (it's taken me 2 days just to get 1/4ish the way through). I haven't cried, but when reading the testimonies, I felt queasy in my stomach, incredibly pissed off accompanied by stirrings of despair. Monsters ARE real, and they LOOK JUST LIKE US! (except for the eyes - where humans have light, these creeps have the equivalent of black holes)

I've been considering to whom I should pass this information. I told my mom about it (the article) and my reservations in exposing people to this. She insisted I send her a link (go mom!!) The problem as I see it, is that normal folks are incapable of accepting as reality the depths and extent of depravity of which these monsters are capable. And that is without the supplementary reality that these types of hominids are in control of pretty much everything.

One of the only things that allows me to assimilate this is the following prinicple: If it is Truth, then I can and must bear the burden of knowing.

The truth will set you free (((((((((but it WILL make you miserable first))))))))) 'they' don't tell you that second part ;)

melatonin said:
[...]. I fall alseep nightly visualising myself infiltrating these sick groups, and carrying out mass murder of the perps, and rescuing the kids.[...]
I understand what you mean exactly.

Kris
 

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Okay, I read 1/4 of the article and it left me very disturbed. I cannot relate to the other members reaction of anger or sadness or disgust, I just felt completely in shock and unable to process any thoughts or emotion. And this reaction (or, almost, the absence of it) is disturbing me more than the report of those atrocities. Am I somehow damaged, already degraded by the psychopathic powers of this planet ? Is there a part of me that still want to believe that this cannot be true ? Is there another part of me that need to understand WHY, although I hope I'll never be able to grasp the unknowable of these horrors ?

Also, I don't know what to do with this article. Should I share it ? To whom ? Most people I know are just going to look at the navigation cursor on the right of the browser's window and are going to say "nah, too long". Thanks EE, I'm going to need it badly tonight.
 

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I will never be able to see the world the same way again. I knew that there is evil in the world, but not like this. To know that this exists and not be able to help is unbearable.
 

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I just wanted to share everyone's sentiments. I had watched the video about the CIA, Scientology and Miviludes, and that shocked me a lot, although I already knew almost everything. Yesterday I just skimmed through the article linked by Laura and that was enough to get me very disturbed, stressed, angry, sad, disgusted and shocked. It is unbearable. To think of the horrors that those poor children have had to go through and the total evil and cruelty of the perpetrators; to think that if we are learning of these secrets then the true extent of this has got to be much larger - common practice perhaps. Which then begs the question about whether there is any government on this planet at all, or parts of government, that have got a minimum of decency whatsoever. We are ruled by a mafia of pure evil, it is as simple as that.

I don't think there is anything worse than this.
 

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webglider said:
I will never be able to see the world the same way again. I knew that there is evil in the world, but not like this. To know that this exists and not be able to help is unbearable.
Like so many posters here, I also find it hard to describe how I feel when faced with such depravity. Reading the article made me want to throw up. It brought back memories of my own descent into darkness here in my very small corner of the world.

20 years ago, I was opposing a group of politically-connected psychopaths (didn't know that's what they were back then) who ran the town and county I live in. Sexual harassment and rumors of parties with under-aged girls lead me and a group of women activists down a rabbit hole that encompassed a network of local politicians, developers, businessmen and law enforcement types. These creeps purportedly also photographed or videotaped the party goings-on for blackmail purposes. Eventually, we spoke with a young woman who allegedly worked these gatherings and helped get her out of town.

During this time period, a high-profile kidnapping/murder case involving a 12-year-old girl made the national news. Two friends of mine and an ex-cop turned P.I. who volunteered for a woman's activist group discovered that the "lone kidnapper" was most likely not working by himself, along with case connections to a remote mountain road that was fingered by the aforementioned young woman as ending up at a party house she attended. They made some inquiries and contacted the FBI agents in charge of the investigation.

Soon afterward, my two friends got side-tracked by an odd woman who appeared at court claiming to know things, but wound up pumping them for details as to what they knew. Then they started getting threatening phone calls.

A local reporter thought my friends might be on to something and wanted to run with it. The reporter's editor nixed the story, citing that the kidnapper had been caught, confessed, and the epsiode was now at an end. The reporter later admitted to the ex-cop turned P.I. that he suspected a cover-up. The reporter mentioned the remote mountain road that the 12-year-old girl's kidnapper was supposedly on the night he captured the girl was also near the county juvenile detention hall. That same editor had, just a few years prior to the kidnapping, quashed a story wherein several former juvenile inmates claimed they were taken to a near-by home to service people at a sex party.

My friend's findings and the threats made against them were dismissed by the FBI agents in charge of the case.

Organized sexual abuse, blackmail, kidnappings, torture and the murder of children are subjects that many normal people have great difficulty dealing with. I know I sure did. Most people can't wrap their heads around such depravity. And if some filth leaks out into the open, a lot of people think this only happens on occasion and is usually the work of a psychotic loner, totally ignoring the fact that there is a sick market for exploiting children that encompasses many other so-called "respectable" individuals at both high and low levels.

With most of our institutions run by psychopaths - or at the very least by ignorant, incompetent persons who have bought into the ponerization of society, the best one can do to help in this kind of situation is to get this kind of information out there as best one can. TPTB that seem to enjoy these kinds of sick thrills can't control every media outlet...at least not yet.
 

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About a month ago I found the ISGP website, and read through the article on the Dutroux scandal. the main part of the article is english translations of the book the "X-Dossiers"

I cannot find the quote, but the author mentions that he is surprised, or it is an interesting fact, that a lot of the victims of Dutroux, or girls that were associated with the network Dutroux was a part of, were abused from an early age by their parents or relatives in a lot of cases.

this was also a really striking to me because it brings up the idea the child-sexual abuse is a cultural thing or normal in some families. rather than it is a network preying on children form innocent families. And my idea would be that a lot of these families that sexually abuse their children get together... and that is the network. that is disregarding the aspect of the rich, and royalty, being linked to this network.

I stumbled upon this one article from a supposed insider in the CP industry. he confirms this aspect of the family involvement in child-abuse.
I have pretty much faced everything what is happening on the Internet regarding this theme. But the gruesome images of crying, raped and even tortured children do not come from commercial producers. They come not from third parties but from bestial fathers and mothers of the children that do this to them. Most are fathers with incestuous tendencies who meet in forums and chats. One begins to make and distribute images, perhaps initially only depicting the naked child - Then, the masturbating child, then the child being raped, and perhaps the child in a forced Sadomaso game. Each parent goes always a little further because he/she always has to offer a little more than the predecessor. In other words, the violent abuse takes place almost always in the family. By publication of these pictures they end up in the Internet. Again the Russians collect the material and publish it on commercial websites.
So here there is the idea of CP industry being a result of abusive families hooking-up to share their activities.

I have been looking at the writing of Demause who is the founder of psycho-history journal. He asserts that child-abuse including sexual abuse, is endemic in societies going back to hunter-gatherer populations in Australia and in new Zealand for instance. he gives a lot of compelling evidence to show that in Europe, china and India for instance, child-abuse was a fact of life at different periods.

this is an excerpt that typed on a sott article comment recently. It is on the middle-age time period, Europe I think.

The erotic beating of children continued in Christian times, because of the anxieties of living with a child who is so full of your projections. Children were experienced as always about to turn into "changelings," those who, as St. Augustine puts it, "suffer from a demon"--which usually meant just that they cry too much, since the Malleus Maleficarum says that one can recognize changelings because they "always howl most piteously," and since Luther says they "are more obnoxious than ten children with their crapping, eating, and screaming."

That children with devils in them had to be beaten goes without saying. A panoply of beating instruments existed for that purpose, from cat-o'-nine tails and whips to shovels, canes, iron rods, bundles of sticks, the discipline (a whip made of small chains), the goad (shaped like a cobbler's knife, used to prick the child on the head or hands) and special school instruments like the flapper, which had a pear-shaped end and a round hole to raise blisters. The beatings described in the sources were almost always severe, involved bruising and bloodying of the body, began in infancy, were usually erotically tinged by being inflicted on bare parts of the body near the genitals and were a regular part of the child's daily life. Century after century of battered children grew up to batter their own children in turn. Public protest was rare. Even humanists and teachers who had a reputation for gentleness approved of the severe beating of children. Those who attempted reform did so only to prevent death. As a thirteenth-century law said, "If one beats a child until it bleeds, then it will remember, but if one beats it to death, the law applies." As Batholomew Batty put it, parents must "keep the golden mean," which is to say they should not "strike and buffet their children about the face and head, and to lace upon them like malt sacks with cudgels, staves, fork or fire shovel," for then they might die of the blows. The correct way, he said, was to "Hit him upon the sides...with the rod, he shall not die thereof."
The theory Demause puts forward as to the reasoning of wide-spread child-abuse is this, which I find really intriguing. this is mainly concerning the mother-child abuse dynamic, but It can perhaps be extrapolated to characters like Dutroux.
THE CHILD AS POISON CONTAINER
The main psychological mechanism that operates in all child abuse involves using children as what I have termed poison containers--receptacles into which adults project disowned parts of their psyches, so they can control these feelings in another body without danger to themselves. In good parenting, the child uses the caretaker as a poison container, much as it earlier used the mother's placenta as a poison container for cleansing its polluted blood. A good mother reacts with calming actions to the cries of a baby and helps it "detoxify² its dangerous emotions. But when an immature mother's baby cries, she cannot stand the screaming, and strikes out at the child. As one battering mother put it, "I have never felt loved all my life. When the baby was born, I thought he would love me. When he cried, it meant he didn't love me. So I hit him.² Rather than the child being able to use the parent to detoxify its fears and anger, the parent instead injects his or her bad feelings into the child and uses it to cleanse his or herself of depression and anger.
For further reading where he gives evidence for the long-history of child-sexual abuse, which is mostly incest, is this article:
_http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Sex/+Doc-Sex-Pedophilia&Incest/UniversalityOfIncest.htm

I'm curious what anyone thinks on this. My current ideas are that I have not determined incest in necessarily harmful as Lloyd Demause has decided. for instance, I believe he infers when a children above the age 15 in Japan or say seven years in india is sleeping with the parents that is sexual-abuse in its self - or that sexual abuse must be occurring. I'm not sure if sleeping with the parents is harmful or if any erotic behavior is displayed that it is necessarily harmful either. but to be honest, generally I accept his premise that the societies that exhibit incest are on the lower end of the scale that Demause creates on child-rearing.

Second, i believe in a Paleo society like Laura writes about in Secret History. I would be lead to believe that child-abuse was not apart of these societies. The data Lloyd gives on the abusive Paleo societies I am most interested in to research for myself, however I do accept after reading some of his papers that all hunter-gather tribes might not be necessarily 'good' which is what I had thought before-hand.

Anyways, reading about psycho-history has really changed my ideas about what our history is like. it seems there has been progress in the U.S and the west on child-rearing. in the modern day there is a lot of compounding factors to the mental health of a child but generally the family-child relationship would appear less narcissistic.

the controversy of Demaus's work seems to stem from the fact that a lot of historians hold and idealized view of history and will not believe that child-rearing has improved in modern times. And Demause makes this one of his central arguments to go out and prove--but to me this appears like a subjective endeavor and hard to do. I am interested in his evidence of what child-hood was like in the past, but do not care very much at his arguments for 'how we live in such a great society' type thing.

Although-- Demause also gives evidence for the fact that in contemporary nations, the U.S, germany, the U.K. It can be as high as 60% of girls that experience sexual abuse. 40% of boys. though not as large as scale, systematic or overt as in the past.
 

realitybugll

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"I'm not interested in his evidence of what child-hood was like in the past"

I meant to type "I AM interested..." cannot modify post.
[mod: changed the previous post accordingly]
 
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I have also read Demause a while back and found his general tangent and the evidence, where he did have it, convincing. I do agree there was some progress in parenting throughout history. The other day I was struck by a realization that, as awful as it is, this is probably the best time ever to be a mother, or a child, simply because we no longer accept as a given that half of our babies will die in infancy. That alone is bound to change our parenting considerably. As for the modern hunter-gatherers or recent paleo societies, perhaps they aren't the best proxi for the ideal, pre-psychopathic paleo society that Laura writes about and we aspire to.
 
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