Dutroux Cover-up Protected Pedophile Networks

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Children are so vunerable. I dont even trust the charitys anymore. I heard something about the main one in England a year or two ago, and there was a massive discussion on a survivor forum over it. Apparently the charity in question hired a man to be chairman (Or a suitably high position) that had been involved in a mass cover-up of child abuse, while working in a government position.
Then on facebook the other day, whilst reading a post on a adult survivor group network, i noticed an American child abuse prevention charity.
The picture on their profile was so sexualized it was unreal. A women wearing incredibly short skirt/blouse/12 inch high heels, with child knelt at her knees with his hand on her thigh. Incredible really. I mean.... who in their right mind would think that was damn appropriate?! Yet, no adult survivors thought anything of it, yet they are supposed to be sensitive to stuff like this. Gobsmacking really.

I know that personally the more i read on this subject, the more powerless it makes me. I know very well (from my own experience as a baby/toddler) that abuse happens in allsorts of ways, and is far more rife than most people believe. But... i also know theres little i can do about it.
I prefer to concentrate on things i can change, but im not sure if this is unhealthy dissociation. But if i allow the negative stuff to drag me down that much, that im unable to contribute (I aim on volunteering at a childrens hospice) then im not serving others like i could be. Id love to know where the balance is between awareness/denial.
 

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Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Back when I was a teenager, I read an article about this sort of 'parents' in a popular magazine (Télémoustique, a TV guide, for which Michel Bouffioux - Dutroux case specialist and advocate of the existence of networks - was writing). I could not believe what I was reading: apparently, some parents - some of whom were Catholics - were renting or selling their kids to pedos and 'friends' every weekend. They were raped, brutally mutilated and barely left alive. This was filmed. Some mothers were actually having kids for this purpose only, and babies were abused as well. It was all too much to handle for my teenage mind and I completely forgot about it for years. I classified this info as 'fringe' because there was nothing I could do about it. But it was published in a TV guide that millions read every week! That's part of the reason why I am disheartened about sharing the info: things can change, times are different, but when it was shared back then, it did not get much answer.
Can you see though, how not taking any action contributes to the suffering? When we say we can't share this or we can't go on fb (unless we do so for strategic enclosure reasons), we are basically giving our consent to those who do evil? It's no different from those who turn their heads away by saying "It's in the past." or "It's not happening here."

Mrs.Tigersoap said:
This is something I cannot wrap my head around: are they really unaware or they just don't care at all because the suffering does not impact 'Number 1' (themselves)? That the cat does not understand the suffering of the mouse, another species probably expressing pain and distress in a total different way than cats, I can see. But surely, even the worst of psychopaths knows that when someone is sobbing uncontrollably because they are being mutilated, it's because they are suffering atrociously. Or am I missing something?
To my understanding, it's because the person is suffering that causes them to feed off it. They don't have it within them to feel for them because they have no conscience. That doesn't exist for them. Those people don't exist for them and are seen no differently to them as we see a lamp or a chair. We are things to them to be used in whatever way they please. It's a hard concept to understand because we don't view it that way but one of the steps we must take is to stop projecting our own inner state onto them - to stop being fooled by the thinking that says "We feel this way and so they must as well." They don't.
 

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Mrs.Tigersoap said:
This is something I cannot wrap my head around: are they really unaware or they just don't care at all because the suffering does not impact 'Number 1' (themselves)? That the cat does not understand the suffering of the mouse, another species probably expressing pain and distress in a total different way than cats, I can see. But surely, even the worst of psychopaths knows that when someone is sobbing uncontrollably because they are being mutilated, it's because they are suffering atrociously. Or am I missing something?

Yeah, it is hard to understand, and maybe they know that this is how it's called ("suffering"), but in fact find such behavior no more than amusing:

From http://www.sott.net/articles/show/228971-How-Psychologists-Put-Us-All-at-Risk-by-Confusing-Categories-and-Reaching-Wrong-Conclusions-Is-Fear-Deficit-a-Harbinger-of-Future-Psychopaths-

Bob [Hare] said it's always a nice surprise when a psychopath speaks openly about their inability to feel emotions. Most of them pretend to feel. When they see us non-psychopaths crying or scared or moved by human suffering, or whatever, they think it's fascinating. They study us and learn how to ape us, like space creatures trying to blend in, but if we keep our eyes open, we can spot the fakery. (p. 100-101)
 

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Biomiast said:
I have passed half way through the article and watched the documentary. What stood out for me in documentary is, if I remember correctly, when Doutroux was in jail, his wife came to house to feed the dogs, and throw a bag of foods to Julie and Melisa because she can not get into the cell! And they died because they could not reach the bag of foods. There is no word to express my anger and despise for this woman. I have tried every curse I know, they are no use.

There have been some recent developments in this case, but all the articles are written in French. Apparently these girls did NOT die simply of starvation. The autopsies shows that they were violently abused and raped before their deaths. Of course, this means Dutroux did NOT act alone, and it's ridiculous to think that these girls survived for three months in a cage without food or water. (Here's the discussion: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27501.0.html)

As for the articles and videos, I can only agree with what most members have written about their reactions. I remember first reading McGowan's 'Programmed to Kill' years ago. That was a shock. Then there was Nick Bryant's 'The Franklin Coverup', which left me devastated and after which I found the Dutroux article that's now on SOTT. Reading that one, and keeping in mind everything else I had read on the subjects, made be burn. I don't think anything has made me more angry, and shed so many tears. Yes, I wish we could do something, change something, bring all these psychopaths to justice. But like Laura says, there's only so much we can do, and that starts with simply feeling the immense suffering of the victims, sharing the truth, and making sure we never forget.

For me, the fact that this happens in basically every country means a lot. All pretenses of 'nationality' and 'political party' dissolve - all the surface differences. What lies beneath the surface is pure evil, and THAT is the root of the so-called 'one-world government'. It's what ties them all together - their utter depravity. If anything shows the essence of psychopathy and what we're up against as a planet, it is this. In that sense, it is powerful knowledge...
 

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Agree. I also think that by reading the testimonies of those who experienced these horrors firsthand (although way easier said than done) and were brave enough to speak out, we honor them in a way.

Absolutely. Reading and feeling is permitting their voices to be heard. Compassion is trying to understand the other in his reality. I feel the same when I read about the victims of war. But reading about this children is more, more difficult. The horror is more palpable.

I like what Laura say about cleaning ourselves. I think that is like transforming this obscurity into light. Light to understand what is not understandably. Light to put light on something that others not wanted to see. Light to calm all this dolor. We can not calm if we don't know.

Denying the testimony of a victim can be literary like a second rape. A psychological rape that might be even more painful than the first one because, at least in some cases, it happened a long time ago and time helped cover the wounds a little bit.

Also the acknowledgement of what the victim went through by the peers or better by the torturers is the foundation on which the victim can rebuilt herself. Otherwise there's this lingering feeling of guilt, shame and fear that paralyses the victim.

So, denying the acknowledgment of the abuse is to deny the right of the victim to live a normal life. So, somehow the torturer denying the facts inflicts one more torture to his victim.

A species that permits this sort of thing to propagate, that protects those evil individuals that participate,

Not only the torturers are protected but the victims and the one who try to defend them are usually demonized. That's one of the most disgusting aspect in those stories. I've gone through quite a lot of books and documentaries (in French and in English) about pedophile rings and one of the recurring pattern is the following one : the mother files a complain because the child has nightmares, describes things a child can't make up, suffers from sexually transmissible disease, has very activity-specific wounds. Several evidence (including the children testimony) point towards the father.

It seems like a open-and-shut case. Though, the usual conclusion is that the mother is accused to be hysteric (making up accusation), to have pushed the kids to tell lies and accuse their father (because she transfers her secret sexual desire for the child on the father).

In the end, the pedophile father gets the custody while the mother is declared to be insane and dangerous for the well-being of the kids. Indeed psychopathic minds is very good at reversing the roles and blaming the victim.

That might be the reason why the heroic Regina Louf (witness X1) is still alive. Medias and authorities described her like such a nutcase that she became a useful asset to validate the theory according to which the ones who claims there's a pedophile network are crazy.

However what is described above (lost custody, media lynching, police pressure...) is the best that can happen to someone who wants to help victims of pedophile network. In the Dutroux affair, 16 key witnesses died in very suspect circumstances.

Another interesting (and sickening) twist in the pedophile rings' modus operandi is the cult accusation.

From my point of view the ritual pedophile tortures and murders rings are the ultimate cults exhibiting unbelievable level of depravity, cruelty and illegality. However, to my knowledge such networks have never been officially labelled as cult. Worse than that the very existence of pedophile rings is systematically denied by the authorities.

On the contrary what you notice in those pedophile network affairs, is that it's usually the ones who try to protect the child who are accused to be cult member.

For example, the mother of the abused kids in the Var affair has been repeatedly accused to be a member of the cult called "Les enfants de la vierge". The reasoning attributed to the alleged cult member is: she's a cult member therefore she's ready to do anything to get what she wants. Since she's in a cult she's been instructed that pedophile accusations are very serious and will help her to get the custody.
 

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Laura said:
Richard said:
I also think that when we learn about such things and feel the pain ourselves, and offer up our own souls and bodies in a sort of vicarious suffering, that somehow, we cleanse ourselves of the guilt of contributing to these horrors, guilt which falls on those do who refuse to look, to consider, to suffer with those who are oppressed.

I've been sitting here thinking "How do we contribute to these horrors?" and must confess I don't see an answer.

No man is an island; we are part of the human race and bear part of the guilt for all that species does. Just as we can say that the mass of Jews allow their leaders to oppress the Palestinians, so can others say that Americans as a whole, are guilty for the war in Iraq. Saying that you didn't participate or agree is not enough. What did you do, actively, to try to wake others up to the wrong?

Even if you don't succeed, even if you can do nothing alone, you can unceasingly put forth effort to stand for Truth and Decency which is, in the end, a form of conscious suffering.


Richard said:
I do have other questions though.

Are these victims the victims of Karma? Are they suffering a role reversal for atrocities they've committed in other lifetimes?

That's irrelevant.

Richard said:
Does 5D really pick such roles for the perpetrators of these atrocities? Or is it massive 4D STS manipulation of their psyches?

It could be some of either and many other options.

Richard said:
Is knowledge of these crimes meant to sensitize us to them or is the effect of overexposure going to result in desensitization?

After all these years of studying these matters, I am not less sensitive, but I am better able to control myself and think in the face of such horrors which, certainly, confers a survival advantage. Because if you can keep a cool head, you just might be able to think strategically about how to really do something rather than just hemorrhaging emotions that don't help anybody. Imagine a mother who falls into hysterics when her child is injured and the child bleeds to death because the mother can't handle the situation. It is certainly important to inoculate ourselves against many things so that our reactions do not make us targets.

So, in the end, you remain sensitive inside, but learn to master yourself for the good of all.

Richard said:
The lesson to be learned can't be compassion because the tears in my eyes show compassion is present, or is the lesson to be aware of the horror of STS?

So, you can cry for them? What else can you do? Can you cry from your soul for a year? Two? Three? The rest of your life? That would be something; a start.

Richard said:
I'm feeling completely overwhelmed at the moment. I've never struggled so much to read a straightforward English essay in my life and I'm not halfway yet.

Join the club.

Hi Laura,

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I agree with you completely.

Anart,

Thank you too for taking the time.

Looking for a buffer (a reason to make it all okay), though understandable, serves neither you nor these children.

Perhaps I was looking for a reason. More to make some sense of the utter depravity of these people. Nothing could ever make it okay. I tried to think back to the last time I felt such a deep sadness for a situation and think it must be nearly 30 years when I saw footage of the famine in Ethiopia. After that I came to understand that most of the unnecessary cruelty could have been avoided rather than suffered and started to become angry at the heartlessness of it all. Being that it's been so long since I felt such a depth of pity I was a little bewildered.

Laura managed to set me straight with this
After all these years of studying these matters, I am not less sensitive, but I am better able to control myself and think in the face of such horrors which, certainly, confers a survival advantage. Because if you can keep a cool head, you just might be able to think strategically about how to really do something rather than just hemorrhaging emotions that don't help anybody.

Becoming emotionally unstable won't help anyone. It won't help anyone to give in to despair.

I will always be deeply unhappy about the state of affairs and I imagine I'll always be angry with those who refuse to see or help. There's so much more I can and must do.
 

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There have been some recent developments in this case, but all the articles are written in French. Apparently these girls did NOT die simply of starvation. The autopsies shows that they were violently abused and raped before their deaths. Of course, this means Dutroux did NOT act alone, and it's ridiculous to think that these girls survived for three months in a cage without food or water. (Here's the discussion: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27501.0.html)

That's an essential piece of evidence and that's why it will be suppress because it proves there was indeed a network.
 

Mrs.Tigersoap

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Truth Seeker said:
Can you see though, how not taking any action contributes to the suffering? When we say we can't share this or we can't go on fb (unless we do so for strategic enclosure reasons), we are basically giving our consent to those who do evil? It's no different from those who turn their heads away by saying "It's in the past." or "It's not happening here."

Absolutely. Maybe I was not clear (and I apologize for that) that by saying "sharing the info is disheartening", I don't mean to say that I won't do it anyway.

Sharing does help and I do share when it is appropriate. Then people remember and I can help further. Yesterday, a girlfriend called me because she is concerned about her 6 month old child staying at her father-in-law's while she is not there because he has admitted to having practiced fellatio on his own son (my girlfriend's husband) when he was still a baby. He admitted to that in front of his wife and son and they were all 'oh, it's no biggie!' and my friend was terrified. She told me that she remembered a talk we had about these things (pedophilia, abuse, etc.)a while back and so she called.

Truth Seeker said:
To my understanding, it's because the person is suffering that causes them to feed off it.

That's my understanding as well and so I understood that they were at least aware of it. If they can feed off it, they surely they know it exists. But I'm starting to realize that maybe that's not the way it is. They are genuinely unaware, are incapable of this sort of awareness and feeding off it is just automatic, they don't even understand the process. It's like 'suffering' is not part of their make up nor vocabulary and they are unable to even intellectually understand the concept (and of course much less experiencing). Is that it?
 

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wetroof:
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I'm curious what anyone thinks on this. My current ideas are that I have not determined incest in necessarily harmful as Lloyd Demause has decided. for instance, I believe he infers when a children above the age 15 in Japan or say seven years in india is sleeping with the parents that is sexual-abuse in its self - or that sexual abuse must be occurring. I'm not sure if sleeping with the parents is harmful or if any erotic behavior is displayed that it is necessarily harmful either. but to be honest, generally I accept his premise that the societies that exhibit incest are on the lower end of the scale that Demause creates on child-rearing.

Can you clarify what you mean by what i put in bold above? Because erotic is defined as:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/erotic?s=t said:
1. Arousing or satisfying sexual desire: an erotic dance.
2. Of, pertaining to, or treating of sexual love; amatory: an erotic novel.
3. Subject to or marked by strong sexual desire.

AI, this:
Approaching Infinity said:
For me, the fact that this happens in basically every country means a lot. All pretenses of 'nationality' and 'political party' dissolve - all the surface differences. What lies beneath the surface is pure evil, and THAT is the root of the so-called 'one-world government'. It's what ties them all together - their utter depravity. If anything shows the essence of psychopathy and what we're up against as a planet, it is this. In that sense, it is powerful knowledge...
Yes agree totally, these creatures, who lurk in the shadows and have the temerity to call themselves the Illuminati, are truly vermin. They are the exact opposite of that which radiates light. There are truly no more pretensions, as to who is who. We know them by their fruits, and i utterly reject them, i will fight them with all that i am.

Richard
Richard said:
Perhaps I was looking for a reason. More to make some sense of the utter depravity of these people. Nothing could ever make it okay. I tried to think back to the last time I felt such a deep sadness for a situation and think it must be nearly 30 years when I saw footage of the famine in Ethiopia. After that I came to understand that most of the unnecessary cruelty could have been avoided rather than suffered and started to become angry at the heartlessness of it all. Being that it's been so long since I felt such a depth of pity I was a little bewildered.

Pity is not only useless for it helps no one, it is detrimental, because that is the hook where by our energies are drained, osit.
 

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I decided that I will put this article in my blog (the link) and this decision is a moral decision. I can't do anything else then that. It is my responsibility as a human being to give this information to others because myself I have received this information.

I am obsessed with images, I try to go out and look the sky, at trees, to concentrate on my dogs. It is very hard. I am very sad.
 

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Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Absolutely. Maybe I was not clear (and I apologize for that) that by saying "sharing the info is disheartening", I don't mean to say that I won't do it anyway.

Sharing does help and I do share when it is appropriate. Then people remember and I can help further. Yesterday, a girlfriend called me because she is concerned about her 6 month old child staying at her father-in-law's while she is not there because he has admitted to having practiced fellatio on his own son (my girlfriend's husband) when he was still a baby. He admitted to that in front of his wife and son and they were all 'oh, it's no biggie!' and my friend was terrified. She told me that she remembered a talk we had about these things (pedophilia, abuse, etc.)a while back and so she called.
Thanks for the clarification. Hearing these things are still always initially takes me off guard and I usually need some time to get my bearings. Unfortunately this is a sickness at all levels of society and there really are no words as others have said. I don't know if it would help, but perhaps your friend might be interested in the Anna Salter's Predators book? As you can see, this is why it's so important for people to understand what's happening, even if it's "just" on a small level because it touches all our lives in ways we can't even imagine.

Mrs.Tigersoap said:
That's my understanding as well and so I understood that they were at least aware of it. If they can feed off it, they surely they know it exists. But I'm starting to realize that maybe that's not the way it is. They are genuinely unaware, are incapable of this sort of awareness and feeding off it is just automatic, they don't even understand the process. It's like 'suffering' is not part of their make up nor vocabulary and they are unable to even intellectually understand the concept (and of course much less experiencing). Is that it?
That's what I currently think though others may feel differently. They may understand something if it relates to themselves such as a cat realizes when it's being hurt yet can't apply that to a mouse. Where those of us who have a conscience make our greatest mistake is in thinking that psychopaths must on some level feel like us because we do. Unfortunately, that's not the case and quite often it's the same concept that they use against us to get us to cooperate (as in "I'm like you.") when they know full well they're not. Hope that makes some sense.
 

agni

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For a longest time stuff like this really makes me want to resign from association with human race. I really wish I could.

I read the journalistic investigation on these networks, it's heart/mind/soul wrenching stuff, I can not even imagine the horror of it for the victims. I brought this material up to many people over the years, for the most I've got the impression that people do not want to hear this stuff, or especially read full blown case about it. As if everyone tries to minimize reality of such events on the planet. Something akin to topic untouchable. Some people just ask not to say anything further to them because it is too scary or messed up, then there are others questioning me why I am telling them this stuff because imagine how they feel, having to raise children in such messed world (in other words they'd rather not know and put their pink glasses on), and then others that say: but what can be done ? (as if you do not know what you can do, then it's best to forget about it).

It is just astonishing that these atrocities go on for so long. How Earth handles having these sub-humans marching on the planet... Where are the comets indeed.
 

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Truth Seeker said:
Where those of us who have a conscience make our greatest mistake is in thinking that psychopaths must on some level feel like us because we do. Unfortunately, that's not the case and quite often it's the same concept that they use against us to get us to cooperate (as in "I'm like you.") when they know full well they're not. Hope that makes some sense.

It does. I knew that they only pretend to feel the way we do, I had for some reason never really understood that they actually did not understand the very concept of suffering (beside their own) either.

TS said:
I don't know if it would help, but perhaps your friend might be interested in the Anna Salter's Predators book?

I think her English might be good enough to read the book so I'll talk to her about it and if she's interested, I'll lend her the book. Thanks, Truth Seeker. :)
 

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This world is SO F***ed up!!! I'm really pissed off that we can't do anything to stop this in it's tracks. I feel like taking a baseball bat and smashing some old car or appliance. But I don't have a baseball bat or anything to smash.

I'm still reading the article, but the swings from sorrow to anger are almost instantaneous. You know what I don't understand? Even when hundreds of thousands (by some estimates 400,000) turned out in Brussels all those years ago, nothing changed!!! Would anything change if 4 million people took to the streets? Wouldn't that shut down a country like Belgium for all practical purposes? I don't know, what would it take for the establishment to take notice (if enough people acted at the same time) that we're NOT going to take this sh*t anymore?!!
 

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Another thing occured to me yesterday. I was 'digesting' this information and I suddenly thought of the first session with the C's, I think - when the discussion went to missing children and them being consumed totally by the 'lizzies'. These poor kids who didn't survive certainly were consumed totally.

Kris
 
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