Egypt Boiling Over

[Hesper]

Yeah, interesting to see the parallels there, whatever the origin of the 'protocols'. Seems to me that the word 'goyim' refers to everyone on the planet, including Jews, from the perspective of the elite. Jews are 'goyim' too.

Definitely. I hope I didn't come across as supporting the belief that is implied when citing the Protocols. But you're right, and it's becoming obvious; the Zionists are being cut loose. One pathocracy enables another until the other feels comfortable enough to take off its mask. Then they're sacrificed to calm the masses and set up another chain of game-theory events? That's what it seems like is happening to me.

 

[Keit]

The fact that the CIA have been involved in the effort to oust Mubarak (and it really looks like he will go at this stage) and their likely involvement in Tunisia...

Here is what DEBKAFile (Israeli intelligence propaganda and disinfo site) has to say about it:

_http://www.debka.com/article/20604/

Persistent claims were heard Saturday, Jan. 29 in various Egyptian and informed western circles that the popular uprising against president Hosni Mubarak, still going strong on its fifth day, was secretly prepared three years ago in Washington during the Bush administration.[...]

The London Daily Telegraph headlined a story Saturday, apparently confirming confidential US documents released by WikiLeaks, which claimed that since 2008, the American government had secretly backed leading figures behind the uprising for "regime change."

The US embassy in Cairo reportedly helped a young Egyptian dissident secretly attend a US-Sponsored summit for activists in New York. "On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and Install a democratic government in 2011," the Telegraph reported.[...]

debkafile: If this is true, the Western observers who have concluded that the protesters have no leaders and are propelled into the streets purely by rage against the regime may not have the full story. The movement does have a leader whose identity is known to Washington and the demonstrations' ringleaders – but not to Mubarak or his security services. They show every sign of being cut off from the prevailing currents in the street. It would also explain the steadfast insistence of President Barack Obama and all his spokesmen on forcing Mubarak to do the virtually impossible, i.e. to refrain from force against the opposition movement and introduce immediate reforms by means of national dialogue. His successors would be waiting in the wings to move in when they could expect to be embraced by the opposition.

 

[Laurentien2]

The fact that the CIA have been involved in the effort to oust Mubarak (and it really looks like he will go at this stage) and their likely involvement in Tunisia...

Here is what DEBKAFile (Israeli intelligence propaganda and disinfo site) has to say about it:

_http://www.debka.com/article/20604/

Persistent claims were heard Saturday, Jan. 29 in various Egyptian and informed western circles that the popular uprising against president Hosni Mubarak, still going strong on its fifth day, was secretly prepared three years ago in Washington during the Bush administration.[...]

The London Daily Telegraph headlined a story Saturday, apparently confirming confidential US documents released by WikiLeaks, which claimed that since 2008, the American government had secretly backed leading figures behind the uprising for "regime change."

The US embassy in Cairo reportedly helped a young Egyptian dissident secretly attend a US-Sponsored summit for activists in New York. "On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and Install a democratic government in 2011," the Telegraph reported.[...]

debkafile: If this is true, the Western observers who have concluded that the protesters have no leaders and are propelled into the streets purely by rage against the regime may not have the full story. The movement does have a leader whose identity is known to Washington and the demonstrations' ringleaders – but not to Mubarak or his security services. They show every sign of being cut off from the prevailing currents in the street. It would also explain the steadfast insistence of President Barack Obama and all his spokesmen on forcing Mubarak to do the virtually impossible, i.e. to refrain from force against the opposition movement and introduce immediate reforms by means of national dialogue. His successors would be waiting in the wings to move in when they could expect to be embraced by the opposition.

Wow! Leaked document backed up by Israel, agent of the US behind the legitimate rising of the population. What if this was a spontaneous up rising, doesn't mean that Israel or the US were not prepare for that eventuality but, planting this kind of info at this moment may target possible honest leader as potentially be US agent. Divide and conquer come to my mind, plant a doubt in the population, let them then fight among them for leadership until they are ripe for a new "strong" leader that will unite all the faction. This kind of "leak" may be pure Machiavellian deception or an attempt to. OSIT

Time will say.

 

[realitybugll]

The revolution is being broadcast live at Al Jazeera.

The only place I have been able watch the Al Jareeza news from is "rawstory". this is the link: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/al-jazeera/

At many other links I tried, the plugin fails. I think the problems are because there is so many people accessing the video feed and the server cannot handle it. But it actually loads on the link that I gave.

We'll have to see what happen's today. this is really capturing my attention.

 

[go2]

The revolution is being broadcast live at Al Jazeera.

The only place I have been able watch the Al Jareeza news from is "rawstory". this is the link: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/al-jazeera/

At many other links I tried, the plugin fails. I think the problems are because there is so many people accessing the video feed and the server cannot handle it. But it actually loads on the link that I gave.

We'll have to see what happen's today. this is really capturing my attention.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/222700-Egypt-shuts-down-al-Jazeera-operations

There are other sorts of promotions that the elite uses as well, mostly to piggyback onto existing trends. WikiLeaks and Julian Assange would seem to be one of them. Aljazeera would seem to be another. Aljazeera was initially staffed by the BBC; Assange has released few leaks that harm Western powers in any significant way. By promoting Assange and Aljazeera, the elite is able to control the larger dialogue. It is a version of the Hegelian dialectic that the elite loves to use. Control both sides of the argument and the results are bound to further one's agenda, whatever it may be.

Don't forget NPR. They seem to have correspondents on the ground in Egypt before the PSYOPS triggered a revolt in the street. This favorite liberal media outlet seems to be an elite vector of the academic community in the USA.

 

[Sinapi]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/222717-Groton-Guard-detachment-is-heading-to-Egypt

Groton Guard detachment is heading to Egypt
Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:59 CST
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Groton - Connecticut National Guard Detachment 2, Company I, 185th Aviation Regiment of Groton has mobilized and will deploy to the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, to support the Multinational Force and Observers.

The unit left Connecticut Jan. 15 for Fort Benning, Ga., for further training and validation. The unit operates C-23C Sherpa aircraft and has deployed three times in the last seven years in support of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The unit will provide an on-demand aviation asset to the Multinational Force and Observers commander to support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty.

Chief Warrant Officer Four James Smith of Ivoryton commands the aviation unit.

Interesting tidbit that the Signs team caught! Okay, I probably have my blinders on here, but if the U.S. is cutting Israel loose, then why would they "support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty"? Or maybe it's just another excuse for the U.S. to be there through the MFO, further establishing control in the region. But with the CIA there too, maybe we'll see another Iraq and Afghanistan? It could just be a red herring as well.

 

[Joe]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/222717-Groton-Guard-detachment-is-heading-to-Egypt

Groton Guard detachment is heading to Egypt
Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:59 CST
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TheDay
Groton - Connecticut National Guard Detachment 2, Company I, 185th Aviation Regiment of Groton has mobilized and will deploy to the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, to support the Multinational Force and Observers.

The unit left Connecticut Jan. 15 for Fort Benning, Ga., for further training and validation. The unit operates C-23C Sherpa aircraft and has deployed three times in the last seven years in support of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The unit will provide an on-demand aviation asset to the Multinational Force and Observers commander to support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty.

Chief Warrant Officer Four James Smith of Ivoryton commands the aviation unit.

Interesting tidbit that the Signs team caught! Okay, I probably have my blinders on here, but if the U.S. is cutting Israel loose, then why would they "support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty"? Or maybe it's just another excuse for the U.S. to be there through the MFO, further establishing control in the region. But with the CIA there too, maybe we'll see another Iraq and Afghanistan? It could just be a red herring as well.

Well, look at where they are going - the sinai peninsula. The two main reasons for this force are a) to protect the suez canal and all of the oil shipments through it, and, b) to protect the Egypt-Israel-Gaza border. What their exact intention is on the latter is unknown. Could be a signal to Israel that no Israeli military (cover or overt) involvement in the outcome of the Egyptian "revolution" will be allowed.

 

[Richs]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/222717-Groton-Guard-detachment-is-heading-to-Egypt

Groton Guard detachment is heading to Egypt
Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:59 CST
Print

TheDay
Groton - Connecticut National Guard Detachment 2, Company I, 185th Aviation Regiment of Groton has mobilized and will deploy to the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, to support the Multinational Force and Observers.

The unit left Connecticut Jan. 15 for Fort Benning, Ga., for further training and validation. The unit operates C-23C Sherpa aircraft and has deployed three times in the last seven years in support of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The unit will provide an on-demand aviation asset to the Multinational Force and Observers commander to support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty.

Chief Warrant Officer Four James Smith of Ivoryton commands the aviation unit.

Interesting tidbit that the Signs team caught! Okay, I probably have my blinders on here, but if the U.S. is cutting Israel loose, then why would they "support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty"? Or maybe it's just another excuse for the U.S. to be there through the MFO, further establishing control in the region. But with the CIA there too, maybe we'll see another Iraq and Afghanistan? It could just be a red herring as well.

Well, look at where they are going - the sinai peninsula. The two main reasons for this force are a) to protect the suez canal and all of the oil shipments through it, and, b) to protect the Egypt-Israel-Gaza border. What their exact intention is on the latter is unknown. Could be a signal to Israel that no Israeli military (cover or overt) involvement in the outcome of the Egyptian "revolution" will be allowed.

Well, the C's as far as I can recall mentioned that eventually the US would point the finger at the Israelis for 911. I think that would necessitate isolating them as a prerequisite. They probably also have some involvement in all the protests going on in various places. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that.

 

[Eboard10]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/222717-Groton-Guard-detachment-is-heading-to-Egypt

Groton Guard detachment is heading to Egypt
Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:59 CST
Print

TheDay
Groton - Connecticut National Guard Detachment 2, Company I, 185th Aviation Regiment of Groton has mobilized and will deploy to the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, to support the Multinational Force and Observers.

The unit left Connecticut Jan. 15 for Fort Benning, Ga., for further training and validation. The unit operates C-23C Sherpa aircraft and has deployed three times in the last seven years in support of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The unit will provide an on-demand aviation asset to the Multinational Force and Observers commander to support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty.

Chief Warrant Officer Four James Smith of Ivoryton commands the aviation unit.

Interesting tidbit that the Signs team caught! Okay, I probably have my blinders on here, but if the U.S. is cutting Israel loose, then why would they "support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty"? Or maybe it's just another excuse for the U.S. to be there through the MFO, further establishing control in the region. But with the CIA there too, maybe we'll see another Iraq and Afghanistan? It could just be a red herring as well.

Well, look at where they are going - the sinai peninsula. The two main reasons for this force are a) to protect the suez canal and all of the oil shipments through it, and, b) to protect the Egypt-Israel-Gaza border. What their exact intention is on the latter is unknown. Could be a signal to Israel that no Israeli military (cover or overt) involvement in the outcome of the Egyptian "revolution" will be allowed.

Well, the C's as far as I can recall mentioned that eventually the US would point the finger at the Israelis for 911. I think that would necessitate isolating them as a prerequisite. They probably also have some involvement in all the protests going on in various places. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that.

9/11 was very likely to be used against Israel before the event even took place. However, the Mossad made sure that they wouldn't be easily seen as the culprits of this "project". Perceval, it is interesting that you made the comment on the likelyhood of the US entering the Sinai region to protect the Suez Canal due to all the oil shipments going through. This reminds me of an article I read on the so-called "Le Cercle" group and their strong ties with the Arab nations for obvious reasons. The author of the article went as far as to say that the Western countries would always pick oil over Israel which I tend to agree with (_https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneous/2010_Le_Cercle_update.htm). Could that maneuvre of the US National Guard be an example of this or could it also act as a way to appease both the oil interests and the protection of the Israeli border.

 

[rylek]

What better way to put Israel back in the "beleaguered and helpless" corner...in this time when Israel is in the spotlight more than ever for their human rights violations in Palestine, when countries around the world are beginning to recognize Palestine as a sovereign nation by upgrading their missions to embassies, and a US senator proposes cutting $3B sent to Israel for their defense. Who benefits from these apparent "people power" events? I believe Israel is sparking these revolts, so they will be surrounded by volatile new fundamentalist Islamic regimes, for the sole purpose of projecting the illusion of "defenselessness" that they've used repeatedly in the past to justify aggressions. Oh, and $3B (or more) a year doesn't hurt, either.

Well, that may be the case, but to be honest, I think even the Israelis realise that the last thing they need is more enemies (real or illusory). The loss of Mubarak for a democratic and nationalist government in Egypt would be a real blow to Israel. I understand what you are saying, that they could actually benefit from a worsening of Israeli Arab relations, but they have always tried to ensure that those bad relations were under their control and that the "threat" while broadcast as real, was in fact largely illusory.

The fact that the CIA have been involved in the effort to oust Mubarak (and it really looks like he will go at this stage) and their likely involvement in Tunisia, along with the sudden and rather inexplicable multiple recognitions of Palestinian statehood and the fact that the US has clearly never been interested in playing ball with Israel's "Iran is a threat to the world" shtick, strongly suggests that the Israelis are being cut loose. As I mentioned, the Zionists will NOT react well if they think that the scenario they have so often predicted and so often used to 'morally' blackmail the world - the world turning against them - is about to become manifest.

Some really 'deep' maneuvers are being made here - they're biblical, eschatological - and it really is interesting to watch it play out and spot the places where the plans of ptb go awry.

I'm interested in the idea how this might be connected to the possible ultimate destruction of Israel, whether it will come about from within Israel (a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy) or whether it will be outside forces setting Israel up.

As we know political events on the world stage happen on multiple levels, some moves of the PTB might seem to be running counter to each other (the 4D STS factor).

So one layer of the onion is the Dominionist influence in the US government, with their second coming of Jesus after the destruction Israel.

Then we have the Zionists in the US who just might let Israel go down when it suits them. There more players in this so ultimately which group would be the top dog? Would it be cliques in the US or those in Israel? Or the world government guys with their doomsday bunkers throwing caution to the wind and trying to work as hard as possible to secure a favorable world set up before the rocks start falling and the ice starts to march.

Or is each group-layer doing its part to further the 4D STS plan? Just a few thoughts here.

 

[Keit]

I'm interested in the idea how this might be connected to the possible ultimate destruction of Israel, whether it will come about from within Israel (a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy) or whether it will be outside forces setting Israel up.

Maybe both. Here is a quote from an interesting article that shows signs of Israelis being worried, considering the fact that they believe US to be the one to pull the strings.

Could US abandon Israel too?
_http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4022102,00.html

American response to uprising in Egypt shows Washington has no qualms about 'dropping' long time ally. Is Israel in danger of receiving similar treatment? Experts say 'possibility always exists,' recommend strengthening relations with India, China.[...]

"The possibility of being abandoned over interests is always possible," says Hebrew University Professor Michal Pomerantz, an expert on international law and US foreign policy.

According to Pomerantz, "The United States is not completely committed to a state, and what happened in Egypt as well as in Iran – with which it had such close relations at one point, that Carter was considering transferring it nuclear technology – proves that it is always possible, especially when there are changes in the administration, as has happened in the United States."

However, the Hebrew University professor emphasized that such a scenario is still far from becoming a reality.

Prof. Pomerantz notes the United States must decide what is worse – the current situation, in which there is no real democracy in Egypt, or the possible outcomes. "Not only the local population will suffer, but also the United States' interests and of course its neighbor Israel," she claims.

In a conversation with Ynet, Prof. Eytan Gilboa, an expert on US policy from Bar Ilan University, recommended to take precautionary measures and "think over" our relations with Washington, despite the support in congress and positive public opinion.

 

[leo]

i am afraid that this is a setup,obama wants to remove president,strike without politics is like,and who should it come as the ruling after all if the protesters succeed
i look at my media and somehow conected,egypt is strategically important as somehow ??!?

 

[WhiteBear]

Egypt lifts Internet Block...but at what price?

A FB friend of mine in Egypt who had been silent since the Internet shut-down piped up yesterday from his Blackberry. Internet connection had been restored. Last night (my time) 10,000 protesters were attacked by 3,000 men on horses and camels, with machetes, whips and guns. At last count, there were 3 dead and 600 injured. Initial reports were that the camel-jockeys were businessmen who support Mubarak. Some of the 3,000 attackers said they were sent out of their workplace by their bosses to go do this.

I can almost see the exchange, before this. Business spokespersons approach Mubarak, requesting that the Internet be re-established so they can conduct business. Mubarak says, "Certainly, my friends, but what are you going to do for me?"

 

[Joe]

Perceval, it is interesting that you made the comment on the likelyhood of the US entering the Sinai region to protect the Suez Canal due to all the oil shipments going through. This reminds me of an article I read on the so-called "Le Cercle" group and their strong ties with the Arab nations for obvious reasons. The author of the article went as far as to say that the Western countries would always pick oil over Israel which I tend to agree with (_https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneous/2010_Le_Cercle_update.htm). Could that maneuvre of the US National Guard be an example of this or could it also act as a way to appease both the oil interests and the protection of the Israeli border.

As rylek mentions above, it's hard to figure out how it will all play out (but that's the case with just about everything here on the big blue marble). At the top levels I doubt any of them believe the religious business, but it is a useful tool to sway populations and politicians. My thinking right now is that the Israelis at the level of the politicians will be agents of their own destruction (and many ordinary people too). Such is the nature of the psychopath. I think the military presence in the Sinai is an example of the American's "protecting their interests". Undoubtedly other groups arrived there under the guise of the national guard joining the UN peacekeeping force. I can't see any other way to interpret the simultaneous recognition of Palestine by several nations and the "Arab nationalistic uprisings" other than as an affront to Israel and evidence that big changes on the geopolitical stage are in the offing. More than anything else, I think this is the result of the fact that the PTB are aware of upcoming climate change and the chaos that will likely ensue. They US government is positioning itself or the eventuality of not having to defend Israel when crops fail across the world and hoards of hungry people start to cross borders. Israelis have positioned themselves VERY badly for this scenario - decades of abuse of their Arab neighbors and provoking the contempt of the rest of the world will not serve them well as the world begins to burn. Sadly, the Israeli political elite will not react well to their "worst nightmare" appearing to come true, and their response will only make matters worse for them and the millions of people in the region.

 

[RedFox]

Heard an interesting piece of information on UK channel 4 news this evening. Reporters where being attacked yesterday and today.....apparently Egyptian TV has been reporting Israeli spy's are disguised as reporters.