Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

skycsil said:
After months with the program, I keep falling asleep like I was hit by a rock every time during the Beatha, does this happen to anyone else?

I've found myself falling asleep during beatha sometimes and resurfacing at the end of the music, completely missing the meditation, at least consciously. If you take the idea that EE is 'good for what ails you', it probably means that you need some very deep healing sleep. This is fine. Just keep up with it.

Another possibility is that the things beatha may bring to the surface is not something you're ready to deal with right now. You might think about keeping a journal of the thoughts or feelings that arise during pipe breathing and Warrior breath when you do them. Who knows? There might be some clues there.
 
That is a great piece of advice that I keep forgetting to put into practice :-[
Most of the time I awake after the prayer pretty clueless about what happened, with a feeling that I just missed something important. Is funny, because I used to zone in and out a few times before, but lately is like I pass out for the whole meditation. I still feel the benefits of the program in many areas, but the feeling of loss right afterwards can be quite mind boggling.
 
I have just made EE, as I was in the fast Beatha-breathing my body remembered something --that was a tormented feeling.
On 14.02, my mother had brought my nephew (from my oldest sister) to me. I was 1 hour in the bathroom when I saw that SHE brought him to us.
Anyway, when i have finished, she has tried to hug me, but I kept my arms down and have "embarrassed" (still slight Stockholmsyndrom or manners?) tempted me to turn away. If she tried me in the past, lovingly touching (and mostly in the same time to talk destructive) I'm getting really aggressive inside, like I could explode!
I do not like that she wants to that we children should be her emotional (and as small children her physically) whipping boys, and she does not want to change herself.
I just want a healthy distance from my parents; my husband has apologized to me and said that he will pick up next time my nephew.
 
Last night during the Beatha stage of EE I had an intense and overwhelming experience which I would greatly appreciate some feedback on regarding what was actually happening.

As I have said before on this thread, I have not yet experienced any conscious emotional release during the actual practice of doing EE. Realisations have arisen while doing the breathing exercises and significant events have taken place in my dreams, but nothing that has been this of this nature. Last night while doing the Beatha breathing, I felt the usual tingling sensations in my body and face, the occasional sporadic movement of my leg or other part of my body, and the tenseness in my hands. These are the things that I experience most times I practice EE, so when these occurred I expected nothing out of the ordinary would take place.

However in the final round of the breathing, the energy I could feel running through my body was like nothing I have ever experienced before. It is hard to find the words to describe the feelings that I experience, but it felt like so much of this POWERFUL energy was being discharged through my hands. So powerful that on both of my hands my fingers were so tense that they were completely stiff and curled up and I was completely unable to move any of my fingers. This finger-tensing has happened before, but not to this extent. The overwhelming energy running through my fingers started to make me panic and I became slightly frightened. I could not move my fingers no matter how hard I tried and it was almost as if a pain was increasing, like an uncomfortable tension that felt like there was TOO much energy in my hands.

My hands were currently by my side at this point, and the more I tried to move my fingers the more energy and tension built up. So I sat up to show Thorn my fingers and asked her if she could feel them to see if I was just imagining this or not. She reassured me that everything was probably OK and that I should just try and lay down an relax. Suddenly I remembered this post :

Oxajil said:
Konstantin said:
During the period i practice EE, my hardest part is the last part, the meditation part. I`m doing POTS meditation every night before sleep.
There are periods when i feel that i cant meditate more then 10 minutes. I feel some kind of restlessness in the area of my solar plexus, Sometimes my legs i i have a need to move and to stop meditation. I cant really explain it with words. I`m trying to fight this strange feeling and i think that its getting more and more seldom.

I think it's okay to allow your legs to move and to stop the meditation if needed. Or to keep the meditation going while you move your legs. If I remember correctly, sometimes, such sudden movements can be a way to release trauma, based on what Peter Levine has said. I think it's a good sign that it occurs less!

The words of Peter Levine crept into my mind and I remembered the recommendation in his book - to listen to the body. It was at this point that I lay back down and attempted to get "in touch" with my body. What I observed was that my hands had a life of their own, and that when I "let go" they both drifted upward towards my head. My right hand rested above my head and my left hand just beneath my chin. This was the only position where they felt as if they could be at rest. They were still vibrating uncontrollably, but this time it was manageable and was not uncomfortable like it was before. While doing the Pipe breath before POTS they gradually became to loosen up and the tension dissipated which I was thankful for.

I am of the opinion that perhaps I have some unresolved trauma locked in the body, and it occurred in a situation in my past where I had to restrain from holding my hands up in an act of protection. I have no idea when this may have occurred or whether there is any truth in any of it so will welcome all feedback. Thanks

P.S The picture of my hand is what Thorn thinks they looked like last night.
 

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I think it could be two things - release of traumatic energy or hyperventilation. Maybe you were oberdoing the breathing a bit during the Beatha portion. Cramping of the hand is a typical sign of hyperventilation, so maybe you should slow down your breathing in this portion a bit next time and see if it makes a difference - or just stop for a while until these have resolved.
 
Overbreathing can also cause the calcium levels to drop in your blood, which may result in the following nervous system symptoms:

Numbness and tingling (usually in both arms or around the mouth)
Spasms or cramps of the hands and feet
Muscle twitching

Thanks nicklebleu,

Well I must admit that I feel quite silly now for thinking it was a release of some traumatic experience...

I will have to take it easy on that section from now on, I didn't even consider that I might have been hyperventilating.
 
Keyhole said:
Well I must admit that I feel quite silly now for thinking it was a release of some traumatic experience...

I will have to take it easy on that section from now on, I didn't even consider that I might have been hyperventilating.

I wouldn't feel silly, it might actually be related to past trauma being processed. How is your breathing during Ba-Ha? Is it heavy, deep, forced? I've seen people do that because they wanted to make the emotional release happen, but of course that's not how things work and the body will release stuff when it's ready.
 
Heimdallr said:
I wouldn't feel silly, it might actually be related to past trauma being processed. How is your breathing during Ba-Ha? Is it heavy, deep, forced? I've seen people do that because they wanted to make the emotional release happen, but of course that's not how things work and the body will release stuff when it's ready.

I guess when I looked at the the symptoms of hyperventilation and saw everything that I was describing as a symptom, it made me feel a bit like "Doh! Perhaps I have been doing EE wrong all of this time...."

In the first minute or two I find it is quite forced and deep yes, but when I begin to relax a little more it starts to flow and I don't have any trouble holding my breath for the counts. Although usually I don't dedicate enough time to do the exercises before hand and it gets too late so we go straight into pipe breathing. It was certainly very strange to witness my arms moving by themselves towards my head and that's what really made me question what had actually happened.
 
Keyhole said:
In the first minute or two I find it is quite forced and deep yes, but when I begin to relax a little more it starts to flow and I don't have any trouble holding my breath for the counts.

Well now I'm confused, because you hold your breath for pipe breathing, not Ba-Ha. Did you have this experience during pipe breathing or Ba-Ha?

Ba-Ha doesn't need to be forced or deep. Just normal breathing, except of course in through the nose and out through the mouth with no break in between (if you can do that) and not doing constricted pipe breathing.
 
Heimdallr said:
Keyhole said:
In the first minute or two I find it is quite forced and deep yes, but when I begin to relax a little more it starts to flow and I don't have any trouble holding my breath for the counts.

Well now I'm confused, because you hold your breath for pipe breathing, not Ba-Ha. Did you have this experience during pipe breathing or Ba-Ha?

Ba-Ha doesn't need to be forced or deep. Just normal breathing, except of course in through the nose and out through the mouth with no break in between (if you can do that) and not doing constricted pipe breathing.

I apologise, I misread the question, sorry for any confusion. I was speaking about pipe breathing. I had this experience during Ba-Ha - In response to your question, when I do Ba-Ha breathing it is usually deep and forced and I find it difficult to keep up with the fast stages because of how deep I am trying to breath. I was under the impression that the lungs should be full and when breathing out the lungs should completely empty. I take it that's not the case with Ba-Ha?
 
Keyhole said:
I was under the impression that the lungs should be full and when breathing out the lungs should completely empty. I take it that's not the case with Ba-Ha?
I think you gently breathe in during ba, and gently breathe out during ha. When the tempo increases, there isn't enough time for deep breathing.
 
Keyhole said:
I was under the impression that the lungs should be full and when breathing out the lungs should completely empty. I take it that's not the case with Ba-Ha?

I don't think that's necessary, it was never mentioned by Laura or in the instructional DVD. I would think it would be incredibly difficult to do that during the faster Ba-Ha parts, so no wonder that you were probably hyperventilating. You were forcing yourself to breathe a ton of oxygen in a very short amount of time. That will lead to physical sensations like tingling because the body is not used to having that much oxygen in it. Best to relax, take in what you can without any forcing. That should alleviate the symptoms you experienced.
 
Heimdallr said:
Keyhole said:
I was under the impression that the lungs should be full and when breathing out the lungs should completely empty. I take it that's not the case with Ba-Ha?

I don't think that's necessary, it was never mentioned by Laura or in the instructional DVD. I would think it would be incredibly difficult to do that during the faster Ba-Ha parts, so no wonder that you were probably hyperventilating. You were forcing yourself to breathe a ton of oxygen in a very short amount of time. That will lead to physical sensations like tingling because the body is not used to having that much oxygen in it. Best to relax, take in what you can without any forcing. That should alleviate the symptoms you experienced.

It must have been an assumption on my part then.

Thank you for explaining this Heimdallr it has been a great help. I will post an update when I next do EE - for the first time properly :P
 
It has been quite some time since I report. Again I have to say that on the Ba-ha my chest creates some kind of elecricity, on a horizontal line that croces my chest. I don't how to take this, I mean the last time it happened I sort of got sick and I thought I had ebola.

But right now I've been inspired and sort of triggering a lot of understanding and knowledge. That's good, right?
 
Today during the EE-Breathing Program on the Ba-ha,I was crying as little child,and I finished The Prayer of the Soul in tears.
 
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