Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

zim said:
Quote from: Aragorn on Yesterday at 06:58:09 AM
But I think that this was an important 'victory' of some kind. Maybe it was an attachment that finally left or a part of me that had to surrender. I've been feeling much lighter and stronger ever since.

I was wonder about that, in EE program we can de-attact out attacments??? I mean in the POST I bring light to my being so it could be a way to release the attactment of our body consciously? :huh:

Yes, doing the EE program can lead to the departure of attachments. If the emotion that attracted them is released, they go with it. If the physical condition that vibrates to their frequency is healed, they no longer have a toehold. In fact, I suspect that many of the "releasing" experiences that some of you have been having are literally "spirit release." Remember what Castaneda's Don Juan said about the predator's mind? That it is discipline that taxes it? Well, doing EE faithfully is the sort of discipline that can do this.
 
Laura said:
In fact, I suspect that many of the "releasing" experiences that some of you have been having are literally "spirit release." Remember what Castaneda's Don Juan said about the predator's mind? That it is discipline that taxes it? Well, doing EE faithfully is the sort of discipline that can do this.

This makes me think of the detox diet: it is also discipline (at least at the beginning, maybe after a while, it becomes natural), it helps one getting rid of allergies, 'addictions', etc. It that respect, maybe it can help with 'spirit release' as well?
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Laura said:
In fact, I suspect that many of the "releasing" experiences that some of you have been having are literally "spirit release." Remember what Castaneda's Don Juan said about the predator's mind? That it is discipline that taxes it? Well, doing EE faithfully is the sort of discipline that can do this.

This makes me think of the detox diet: it is also discipline (at least at the beginning, maybe after a while, it becomes natural), it helps one getting rid of allergies, 'addictions', etc. It that respect, maybe it can help with 'spirit release' as well?

I agree. And if a person starts off by approaching it step by step, acting strategically, utilizing knowledge to formulate an effective strategy for being able to succeed, it really is an act of becoming impeccable. For example, utilizing some supplements to relieve cravings while you are cutting out certain addictive foods; or avoiding going certain places or being with certain people if you know they always sabotage your dietary choices. You have to have the knowledge of your machine, the knowledge of what MAY be off-center, and then experiment a little to see what works exactly for you.

It is never a good idea to just do "cold-turkey" sorts of things if you know that you never prevail in such. It's also just not good for your body. Like quitting coffee; it is best to cut back until you are just having half a cup a day, and do that for awhile before cutting it out entirely. And then be prepared with something to step in the gap and relieve the symptoms. This way, you are better assured of success.

The EE program is the same way. I tell people if you can just do Pipe breathing whenever you get a chance through the day and try to put on the meditation as you are going to bed, starting out this way gives you very good benefits very fast without you having to do some gung-ho "I'm gonna do the whole program every single day come hell or high water" that you may not be able to stick to.

So, just say: I CAN just listen to the meditation as I'm going to sleep every night... and I CAN do Pipe breathing at odd moments during the day, as needed... and stick to that, and then add the program elements when you are able.

In other words, small acts of discipline DO add up; they are cumulative.
 
Laura said:
And if a person starts off by approaching it step by step, acting strategically, utilizing knowledge to formulate an effective strategy for being able to succeed, it really is an act of becoming impeccable. For example, utilizing some supplements to relieve cravings while you are cutting out certain addictive foods; or avoiding going certain places or being with certain people if you know they always sabotage your dietary choices. You have to have the knowledge of your machine, the knowledge of what MAY be off-center, and then experiment a little to see what works exactly for you.

It is never a good idea to just do "cold-turkey" sorts of things if you know that you never prevail in such. It's also just not good for your body. Like quitting coffee; it is best to cut back until you are just having half a cup a day, and do that for awhile before cutting it out entirely. And then be prepared with something to step in the gap and relieve the symptoms. This way, you are better assured of success.

The EE program is the same way. I tell people if you can just do Pipe breathing whenever you get a chance through the day and try to put on the meditation as you are going to bed, starting out this way gives you very good benefits very fast without you having to do some gung-ho "I'm gonna do the whole program every single day come hell or high water" that you may not be able to stick to.

So, just say: I CAN just listen to the meditation as I'm going to sleep every night... and I CAN do Pipe breathing at odd moments during the day, as needed... and stick to that, and then add the program elements when you are able.

In other words, small acts of discipline DO add up; they are cumulative.

Thanks Laura for this advice.

For me the struggle has always been just cut all the bad stuff out (diet, meditation) and start from the beginning, cold turkey. And I have slipped so many times and then beat myself up emotionally that I feel like such a failure.

Been working mostly on my diet and I have moments when I slip off of it and then my health feels terrible the next day. So I need to avoid the activities that cause me to slide off the diet. Or adjust to it by bringing food with me. I think that it is as G states about that suffering is the hardest thing to let go of. My rational side says do you really like to suffer and answers no. The illogical, lazy self does not even consider the consequences of the actions. Then the rational self pops in and regrets the slip up.

As for EE, I have been able to maintain saying the prayer before bed mostly. Unless I stay up to late and fall asleep before I start POTS.
Regarding the biweekly full session my mechanical mind allows me to forget to do it. So I will then do it at another time, like Friday morning. But I want to push myself to remember to do it Mondays and Thursdays. It is truly discipline which I have lacked for so long that it is taking me over a year to even get this far.

Still I am working on moving forward. It is addictions that have a mind of their own. Thanks again. I am going to print out your last post.
 
Laura said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Laura said:
In fact, I suspect that many of the "releasing" experiences that some of you have been having are literally "spirit release." Remember what Castaneda's Don Juan said about the predator's mind? That it is discipline that taxes it? Well, doing EE faithfully is the sort of discipline that can do this.

This makes me think of the detox diet: it is also discipline (at least at the beginning, maybe after a while, it becomes natural), it helps one getting rid of allergies, 'addictions', etc. It that respect, maybe it can help with 'spirit release' as well?

I agree. And if a person starts off by approaching it step by step, acting strategically, utilizing knowledge to formulate an effective strategy for being able to succeed, it really is an act of becoming impeccable. For example, utilizing some supplements to relieve cravings while you are cutting out certain addictive foods; or avoiding going certain places or being with certain people if you know they always sabotage your dietary choices. You have to have the knowledge of your machine, the knowledge of what MAY be off-center, and then experiment a little to see what works exactly for you.

It is never a good idea to just do "cold-turkey" sorts of things if you know that you never prevail in such. It's also just not good for your body. Like quitting coffee; it is best to cut back until you are just having half a cup a day, and do that for awhile before cutting it out entirely. And then be prepared with something to step in the gap and relieve the symptoms. This way, you are better assured of success.

The EE program is the same way. I tell people if you can just do Pipe breathing whenever you get a chance through the day and try to put on the meditation as you are going to bed, starting out this way gives you very good benefits very fast without you having to do some gung-ho "I'm gonna do the whole program every single day come hell or high water" that you may not be able to stick to.

So, just say: I CAN just listen to the meditation as I'm going to sleep every night... and I CAN do Pipe breathing at odd moments during the day, as needed... and stick to that, and then add the program elements when you are able.

In other words, small acts of discipline DO add up; they are cumulative.


Thanks Laura for your words, I´ve been doing parts of the program for different reasons and kind of slow too, in the diet sometimes is imposible to get all the ingredients but I have replace some of them for another in my place which work in the same way, the only I can not still replace is the bread but I begin today with my bread with rice flour.
I have been feeling the necessity to do the meditate part often and not only in the night but the day too, I took some-time and meditate for a while then I continue with my activities and I do pipe breath while I do something in my home or work and really feel fine after that. :halo: ;) I did not do as a "cold-turkey" because I just can not do the things mecanical every day maybe it is my mind I´ve always find different ways to do the same things, maybe a program in my mind :huh: :huh:, anyway I really feel better after began parts of the program in different times a day...
 
Laura said:
Remember what Castaneda's Don Juan said about the predator's mind? That it is discipline that taxes it? Well, doing EE faithfully is the sort of discipline that can do this.

On this note, i'd like to highly recommend (re)reading chapter 11 from the 2nd Edition of High Strangeness: Hyperdimensions and the Process of Alien Abduction. I read it very recently and it helped me remember how important this disciplining of our mind is, and by proxy, putting the effort to follow the EE program and the diet.
 
Just an update: Neck pain starting about 3 days ago on the left side. I had it on the right side a few months back so I'm not worried.
 
Alana said:
Laura said:
Remember what Castaneda's Don Juan said about the predator's mind? That it is discipline that taxes it? Well, doing EE faithfully is the sort of discipline that can do this.

On this note, i'd like to highly recommend (re)reading chapter 11 from the 2nd Edition of High Strangeness: Hyperdimensions and the Process of Alien Abduction. I read it very recently and it helped me remember how important this disciplining of our mind is, and by proxy, putting the effort to follow the EE program and the diet.

Thanks Alana

On reading your post I went and read the relevant chapter - food for thought, and practice!
 
For the past few nights before sleep, I have been experimenting with the POTS without Laura's audio. I do approximately twelve pipe breaths and then coordinate the phrases of the POTS with my breathing. In the mornings I've been doing three stage breathing followed by POTS coordinated with my breathing. On every occasion, when mentally reciting the POTS, I notice the automatism of my mind, which I think is the mechanical part of my intellectual centre, or formatory apparatus.

Unless I am really vigilant, within two phrases of the POTS, I find myself lost in dreaming thoughts. This type of automatic thinking is very 'comfortable', but I'm off in dreamland. I have to say to myself: 'Focus! Remember!'. Sometimes I have to start the POTS from the beginning again because I can't even remember where I was up to. It requires effort to remain focused on the POTS all the time, and so far I haven't been able to contemplate the meaning of the POTS along with maintaining that focus. When I do manage to remain focused it leads to deep physical relaxation.

Physical comfort is really important, though. I sit on a chair, feet on the floor, back straight, palms on thighs, but if I start to lean back or forwards even slightly it can lead to almost subliminal tension in the body, and a stiff neck, caused by leaning away from my centre of gravity. So much to be aware of!

Before sleep last night, I began the POTS, and within two phrases I think I had zoned out. I snapped back and was very aware of my automatic, dreamy thinking, and had great difficulty recalling where I had left the POTS. Sometimes, reciting the POTS in my mind wakes me up, no matter how tired I may be when I get into bed. I try to do as many repetitions as I can, but often I only manage two or three, and often I have to stop so I can fall asleep. I suspect that this is because my machine is accustomed to falling asleep from the state of dreamy, automatic thinking, and not from a state of directed thinking, as in POTS.

Reciting POTS in my mind, and making efforts to remain focused, is rather like exercising a muscle that has atrophied. It does seem to be getting easier as the 'muscle' gets stronger.

On another note, I have in my life tried many methods of meditation, from Rajneesh Dynamic Meditation through to Vipassana and Mindfulness Meditation. None of them have worked for me in the way that EE does. The other meditations have appeared to work, but in subtle ways have been a kind of brainwashing, entraining my mind into a certain direction. That meditative conditioning must, I suspect, be a reflection of the agenda, or level of being, of their originators. That is why, every time, I eventually stopped doing the meditations I've previously tried. I did not at the time realise precisely why I stopped them, only that I felt uncomfortable, or that the meditations were not working. It is only now that I can compare them with EE that I can see the difference. The EE program is really different from anything else I have tried. It is completely open and has no agenda, other than helping one to wake up, and that could hardly be called an agenda as the technique does not stipulate what one is to wake up to. My impression is that the technique leaves my mind alone to grow in my own direction at my own pace, while at the same time supporting and encouraging growth, and clearing mental and emotional blockages.

Laura said:
The EE program is the same way. I tell people if you can just do Pipe breathing whenever you get a chance through the day and try to put on the meditation as you are going to bed, starting out this way gives you very good benefits very fast without you having to do some gung-ho "I'm gonna do the whole program every single day come hell or high water" that you may not be able to stick to.

So, just say: I CAN just listen to the meditation as I'm going to sleep every night... and I CAN do Pipe breathing at odd moments during the day, as needed... and stick to that, and then add the program elements when you are able.

In other words, small acts of discipline DO add up; they are cumulative.

This is so true and describes my experience exactly.

When the EE was first made available last year I started off doing the full program every day. One of my programs is that I find something interesting, jump in headlong, and then lose interest because I haven't built things up in organic way. After a few weeks of daily EE, maybe a couple of months, I had such a strong reaction against the EE program that I had to stop and for some time after that I was consumed with thoughts of how useless it was, and how it would never work for me.

In January this year, at a period of great stress in my life, I sat down one day and did just twelve pipe breaths, and the stress was switched off, just like magic. So I started doing twelve pipe breaths every morning before work. I continued in this way until it was clear that I was ready for something more, so I added three repetitions of the POTS after the pipe breaths. I was reprogramming my machine, I guess you could say. I slowly built up my practice, adding a new step every time that I was clear that I was ready. Each new step provoked a reaction, but since each step was quite small, and built on the previous steps, my reactions were manageable. Now, several months later, I am doing three stage breathing followed by POTS every morning, pipe breaths and POTS before sleep, and the full program twice weekly. I still find myself hearing that voice in my head that says: 'What's the point? EE will never get you anywhere!' and similar thoughts, but it is now a fairly straightforward matter to ignore it because I have a laid a firm foundation for my practice. It is just as Laura says: '. . . small acts of discipline DO add up'.
 
Hi Endymion

I too experience what you are describing whilst reciting PotS before going to sleep.
Before sleep last night, I began the POTS, and within two phrases I think I had zoned out. I snapped back and was very aware of my automatic, dreamy thinking, and had great difficulty recalling where I had left the POTS. Sometimes, reciting the POTS in my mind wakes me up, no matter how tired I may be when I get into bed. I try to do as many repetitions as I can, but often I only manage two or three, and often I have to stop so I can fall asleep. I suspect that this is because my machine is accustomed to falling asleep from the state of dreamy, automatic thinking, and not from a state of directed thinking, as in POTS.

Reciting POTS in my mind, and making efforts to remain focused, is rather like exercising a muscle that has atrophied. It does seem to be getting easier as the 'muscle' gets stronger.

Unless I am really vigilant, within two phrases of the POTS, I find myself lost in dreaming thoughts. This type of automatic thinking is very 'comfortable', but I'm off in dreamland. I have to say to myself: 'Focus! Remember!'. Sometimes I have to start the POTS from the beginning again because I can't even remember where I was up to. It requires effort to remain focused on the POTS all the time …

I’m still working on getting the muscle stronger though, even after a week or so of experiencing this phenomena. :)
 
The EE program is the same way. I tell people if you can just do Pipe breathing whenever you get a chance through the day and try to put on the meditation as you are going to bed, starting out this way gives you very good benefits very fast without you having to do some gung-ho "I'm gonna do the whole program every single day come hell or high water" that you may not be able to stick to.

So, just say: I CAN just listen to the meditation as I'm going to sleep every night... and I CAN do Pipe breathing at odd moments during the day, as needed... and stick to that, and then add the program elements when you are able.

In other words, small acts of discipline DO add up; they are cumulative

Long time i didn't update my experience and work, now i want to say that i started with detox diet and pipe breathing with meditation or without denpends on situation. I do similar what Laura say long time. Long time i don't use coffee, diary, gluten food and now many things like some drinks or food i cant use or eat because my body don't want. I feel myself much better and beside that i have completely change i loss 15 kilograms in few mont's. If this is important i feel much better in the morning and that lasts all day, my eyes are different i see much better....I can fall in sleep at night without demo music but i don't want i use pipe breathing with that demo and demo music is on loop and now is playing when i wright this post, and even i don't pipe breath before sleep i listen that music. Hard is to express all benefits of EE but for now i am amazed and i am going for more. Just one more things to say is that i have problems with emotions they are to strong in me and attacks from many sources are still here and i don't see solution in my life right now.
 
NSD said:
The EE program is the same way. I tell people if you can just do Pipe breathing whenever you get a chance through the day and try to put on the meditation as you are going to bed, starting out this way gives you very good benefits very fast without you having to do some gung-ho "I'm gonna do the whole program every single day come hell or high water" that you may not be able to stick to.

So, just say: I CAN just listen to the meditation as I'm going to sleep every night... and I CAN do Pipe breathing at odd moments during the day, as needed... and stick to that, and then add the program elements when you are able.

In other words, small acts of discipline DO add up; they are cumulative

Long time i didn't update my experience and work, now i want to say that i started with detox diet and pipe breathing with meditation or without denpends on situation. I do similar what Laura say long time. Long time i don't use coffee, diary, gluten food and now many things like some drinks or food i cant use or eat because my body don't want. I feel myself much better and beside that i have completely change i loss 15 kilograms in few mont's. If this is important i feel much better in the morning and that lasts all day, my eyes are different i see much better....I can fall in sleep at night without demo music but i don't want i use pipe breathing with that demo and demo music is on loop and now is playing when i wright this post, and even i don't pipe breath before sleep i listen that music. Hard is to express all benefits of EE but for now i am amazed and i am going for more. Just one more things to say is that i have problems with emotions they are to strong in me and attacks from many sources are still here and i don't see solution in my life right now.

If your emotions are too strong at this time, stop doing the BaHa portion of the EE. Wait for a few months until your emotions are released and more easily managed, more under control. Then, you can start back up slowly with the BaHa.

You can still benefit from the three-stage breathing and the POTS. These are the two most important parts of EE. And be gentle with yourself.

If you could describe in more detail what you mean by "attacks from many sources", it would be helpful in understanding your predicament and help others to help you.
 
Let me AGAIN suggest that if you have experiences to share about the program, PLEASE write them on the EE forum. You can post them here, also, but we do need to have some stuff available for those people who are searching on the EE site.
 
Laura said:
Let me AGAIN suggest that if you have experiences to share about the program, PLEASE write them on the EE forum. You can post them here, also, but we do need to have some stuff available for those people who are searching on the EE site.


Break out the sticky notes folks. I know I am, because I keep forgetting the other site is THERE. :shock:
 
Laura said:
Let me AGAIN suggest that if you have experiences to share about the program, PLEASE write them on the EE forum. You can post them here, also, but we do need to have some stuff available for those people who are searching on the EE site.

I will copy my post on EE forum Laura.

Nienna Eluch, as attacks i mean for example and most important for me now is that i meet one person and everything was good and like in fairy tail till once she start to, like she said get really crazy about distance betwen us(she live 100 km from me) and she cant study anymore because us and emotions(she want to be together or if it not possible right now better not to be together) so i give her to decide what she want and i lose her. To much fear is with her.
It is OK that is life i know but with strong emotions that can be hard lesson and i am not afraid to talk about that or i put shame far from me now and i will stay on my road now much easyer.
Beside that attacks came from dreams(that can be warning), from family. Sometimes is try to think and search what is wrong with me, problem maybe lay in me. If attacks came from love that want to crash you i think and to put you from right road and next steep. But i don't want to go back in the past and be my old me i want to go on.

Thank's for reading my post.
 
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