Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Nienna]

Let me AGAIN suggest that if you have experiences to share about the program, PLEASE write them on the EE forum. You can post them here, also, but we do need to have some stuff available for those people who are searching on the EE site.

I will copy my post on EE forum Laura.

Nienna Eluch, as attacks i mean for example and most important for me now is that i meet one person and everything was good and like in fairy tail till once she start to, like she said get really crazy about distance betwen us(she live 100 km from me) and she cant study anymore because us and emotions(she want to be together or if it not possible right now better not to be together) so i give her to decide what she want and i lose her. To much fear is with her.
It is OK that is life i know but with strong emotions that can be hard lesson and i am not afraid to talk about that or i put shame far from me now and i will stay on my road now much easyer.
Beside that attacks came from dreams(that can be warning), from family. Sometimes is try to think and search what is wrong with me, problem maybe lay in me. If attacks came from love that want to crash you i think and to put you from right road and next steep. But i don't want to go back in the past and be my old me i want to go on.

Thank's for reading my post.

So, in other words, things/people are trying to pull you off track of your aim?

This is very common. Especially when our lower emotional center is affected. Meeting people of the opposite sex can certainly get those hormones and chemicals going. So this is something to really watch out for. As you know, the General Law is going to send these women your way to try to get you off track. I think that when you start feeling this longing for a relationship with a new acquaintance, you should stop and settle down and ask yourself if she is really someone you want to spend your life with. Someone who is collinear with your thoughts and aim. Also, it is best to first be friends with these persons and get to actually know them better as a friend for a while and try not to get in an intimate relationship. From what you describe above, things were moving along rather quickly. So try to stay focused on your aim in these situations. Not easy, I know and I'm sorry you have had to have this experience. But all there is is lessons.

And, too, family members are notorious for trying to get people off track. It's like if they aren't doing what you're doing then they think that you MUST start doing what they are doing.

Remember, sometimes dreams are the way we work through emotional issues of the past. But, as you have been doing, stay vigilant.

The fact that you realize these things and don't want to return to the way you were is really great NSD. And, yes, looking at the past and our programming is certainly key in finding out why we react the way we do. Also, getting rid of our self-importance, which is a really hard thing to do, is key in being able to see more objectively.

Onwards and upwards.....

 

[Beorn]

I can't believe it's been over a year since the EE program began. For some reason I just feel like I've come around in a big circle so I've decided to start from the beginning with the EE program. I've watched through the videos again and will be skimming through this thread.

The first year seemed to be marked with sadness but now there is a lot more rage, which seems to cover more sadness. I wonder how many layers there are? I've ordered a boxing bag because punching a pillow is just not doing it for me.

This event happened one night as I was trying to meditate and helped me to realize that I don't need to try so hard. My mind kept drifting so I just rolled over to go to sleep and suddenly found myself in a cave.

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I am in a cave. Someone else is there also and they are cutting away at the wall of the cave. We are almost out. A community of people are waiting on the other side. I pick up a drum(Shaman) and start playing in anticipation of the escape. The drum beats fast. It is vibrant and awesome. It is not a steady monotonous beat but there is a pattern to it that carries and elevates the soul. It is loud, very loud and fills me with ecstacy. Two moments pass and in between these moments I feel that everything that needed to happen has happened. But they didn’t happen in time rather outside of time so I know nothing of it, only a feeling. The drum beats soft and gentle now.

I am lying in bed again. Images and sounds swirl by. I try to hold my concentration so I can progress with the meditation but I realize I don’t need to try to make anything happen because everything that needs to be done has been done(even if I’m not sure what it is).

I wonder if this is what normally happens? The important stuff happens between two moments and I miss it entirely, continuing on with the meditation thinking nothing has happened. Actually if it wasn't for the two different kinds of drumming before and after that (non-moment) I probably wouldn't have noticed anything at all.

 

[Cosmos]

I tried the program three days ago the first time.

I felt a cold flow fly over my head while meditation. after the hole program I felt a little bit drunk and my body felt very clean and refreshed.
Yesterday I did the EE to times. It felt like a electic flow through my body, a strong tingling feeling through my hole body.
And today the same strong tingling feeling.
So far every time I did it I felt this drunk feeling after it and always my body felt very clean and refreshed. A strange good feeling!
I think it will be now a regular part of my life, and I hope it will help me to fight my fears.

 

[nwigal]

I can't believe it's been over a year since the EE program began. For some reason I just feel like I've come around in a big circle so I've decided to start from the beginning with the EE program. I've watched through the videos again and will be skimming through this thread.

The first year seemed to be marked with sadness but now there is a lot more rage, which seems to cover more sadness. I wonder how many layers there are? I've ordered a boxing bag because punching a pillow is just not doing it for me.

This event happened one night as I was trying to meditate and helped me to realize that I don't need to try so hard. My mind kept drifting so I just rolled over to go to sleep and suddenly found myself in a cave.

************
I am in a cave. Someone else is there also and they are cutting away at the wall of the cave. We are almost out. A community of people are waiting on the other side. I pick up a drum(Shaman) and start playing in anticipation of the escape. The drum beats fast. It is vibrant and awesome. It is not a steady monotonous beat but there is a pattern to it that carries and elevates the soul. It is loud, very loud and fills me with ecstacy. Two moments pass and in between these moments I feel that everything that needed to happen has happened. But they didn’t happen in time rather outside of time so I know nothing of it, only a feeling. The drum beats soft and gentle now.

I am lying in bed again. Images and sounds swirl by. I try to hold my concentration so I can progress with the meditation but I realize I don’t need to try to make anything happen because everything that needs to be done has been done(even if I’m not sure what it is).

I wonder if this is what normally happens? The important stuff happens between two moments and I miss it entirely, continuing on with the meditation thinking nothing has happened. Actually if it wasn't for the two different kinds of drumming before and after that (non-moment) I probably wouldn't have noticed anything at all.

I was a drummer for years, learning various indigenous songs from all over the world. As singers/drummers, we were taught to breathe and sing a certain way, which seems to directly correlate with the dynamics of the EE program. If done correctly, those that were dancing around us would breathe in harmony with the signals coming from us; I wonder now if that wasn't the intended result. I never learned a song anywhere that didn't change from the fast beat to the gentle beat, then back again, within a structure that seemed designed to impart information, with a period of "rest" to absorb the information, in order to take in more. It's funny, the songs were mostly about long wave and short wave, synchronized with the beat; a kind of poetry in motion.

 

[NSD]

Let me AGAIN suggest that if you have experiences to share about the program, PLEASE write them on the EE forum. You can post them here, also, but we do need to have some stuff available for those people who are searching on the EE site.

I will copy my post on EE forum Laura.

Nienna Eluch, as attacks i mean for example and most important for me now is that i meet one person and everything was good and like in fairy tail till once she start to, like she said get really crazy about distance betwen us(she live 100 km from me) and she cant study anymore because us and emotions(she want to be together or if it not possible right now better not to be together) so i give her to decide what she want and i lose her. To much fear is with her.
It is OK that is life i know but with strong emotions that can be hard lesson and i am not afraid to talk about that or i put shame far from me now and i will stay on my road now much easyer.
Beside that attacks came from dreams(that can be warning), from family. Sometimes is try to think and search what is wrong with me, problem maybe lay in me. If attacks came from love that want to crash you i think and to put you from right road and next steep. But i don't want to go back in the past and be my old me i want to go on.

Thank's for reading my post.

So, in other words, things/people are trying to pull you off track of your aim?

This is very common. Especially when our lower emotional center is affected. Meeting people of the opposite sex can certainly get those hormones and chemicals going. So this is something to really watch out for. As you know, the General Law is going to send these women your way to try to get you off track. I think that when you start feeling this longing for a relationship with a new acquaintance, you should stop and settle down and ask yourself if she is really someone you want to spend your life with. Someone who is collinear with your thoughts and aim. Also, it is best to first be friends with these persons and get to actually know them better as a friend for a while and try not to get in an intimate relationship. From what you describe above, things were moving along rather quickly. So try to stay focused on your aim in these situations. Not easy, I know and I'm sorry you have had to have this experience. But all there is is lessons.

And, too, family members are notorious for trying to get people off track. It's like if they aren't doing what you're doing then they think that you MUST start doing what they are doing.

Remember, sometimes dreams are the way we work through emotional issues of the past. But, as you have been doing, stay vigilant.

The fact that you realize these things and don't want to return to the way you were is really great NSD. And, yes, looking at the past and our programming is certainly key in finding out why we react the way we do. Also, getting rid of our self-importance, which is a really hard thing to do, is key in being able to see more objectively.

Onwards and upwards.....

Thank's Nienna Eluch, you helped me to much now with this reply.

 

[Iron]

I was a drummer for years, learning various indigenous songs from all over the world. As singers/drummers, we were taught to breathe and sing a certain way, which seems to directly correlate with the dynamics of the EE program. If done correctly, those that were dancing around us would breathe in harmony with the signals coming from us; I wonder now if that wasn't the intended result. I never learned a song anywhere that didn't change from the fast beat to the gentle beat, then back again, within a structure that seemed designed to impart information, with a period of "rest" to absorb the information, in order to take in more. It's funny, the songs were mostly about long wave and short wave, synchronized with the beat; a kind of poetry in motion.

Interesting, like contraction and expansion. Maybe at some superficial level teaching about dualities? Hard beat, rest, gentle, rest..
Contract, keep contracted, relax, keep relaxed.
I dont know, I just found that interesting.

 

[T.C.]

Just like to give a bit of info on how EE has been affecting me.

Firstly, I'm actually having emotional reactions to things that I see as unfair or unjust to others. I work in a pharmacy, and it's horrible to see how the 'health' service works, from the inside. It makes me angry; it makes me feel helpless towards people who put their health in the hands of a system which is set up to kill them.

Reading Detoxify or Die at the moment, and having this info, going into work, I look around me at all the drugs in the dispensary and just want to cry. I feel pain for the patients who don't understand their predicament and never get better; and I see that they're suffering and I wish I could help them.

I'm starting to SEE much more often too. Yesterday was particularly difficult (whenever I have deep, realisations or go through emotional turmoil, it's usually a Monday... it's weird). I had the thing of looking around me and just seeing lies. It's all lies. And the 'I see dead people' thing, too.

My perception is definitely shifting, more and more, to something - dare I say - more objective? It's all there, right before our eyes; it's OBVIOUS, I mean, the description of reality given to us by Gurdjieff, the C's, Castenada, Laura.

And in these painful moments, no matter how horrible it is to see, my real I always finds the strength to say to the universe, "Please, show me more; show me everything."

Thank you Laura, for EE.

[edit: typo]

 

[ana]

And in these painful moments, no matter how horrible it is to see, my real I always finds the strength to say to the universe, "Please, show more more; show me everything."

Amen to that :)

 

[paralleloscope]

So, in other words, things/people are trying to pull you off track of your aim?

This is very common. Especially when our lower emotional center is affected. Meeting people of the opposite sex can certainly get those hormones and chemicals going. So this is something to really watch out for. As you know, the General Law is going to send these women your way to try to get you off track. I think that when you start feeling this longing for a relationship with a new acquaintance, you should stop and settle down and ask yourself if she is really someone you want to spend your life with. Someone who is collinear with your thoughts and aim. Also, it is best to first be friends with these persons and get to actually know them better as a friend for a while and try not to get in an intimate relationship. From what you describe above, things were moving along rather quickly. So try to stay focused on your aim in these situations. Not easy, I know and I'm sorry you have had to have this experience. But all there is is lessons.

This was aimed at NSD but also very relevant advice for my situation, I'd like to share my experience yesterday.

As I come home yesterday, my neighbours sister has moved in again and jumps out to embrace me. She stayed there a month ago and showed me how my centers would react to a physical attraction with an emotional game on top. I saw her animation by general law and how my responding programs of sexual wantoness reacted, almost overriding the knowledge and aim not to get involved with non co-linear persons (at least not close), so i kept my distance allthough there was some affection involved . Now she has returned and I was shocked as my lower centers where tingling by the perspective or rather fantasy of physical contact. I went straight inside and did all sorts of dissociative stunts to repress the burning feeling, untill I did the EE and POTS (zoning quite a few times but remembered and utilized the advice here about building muscle to stay focused) and received some gentle reflection of how my sexual center has been entangled in lower mental and emotive tricks. I felt relieved of the strain and drift off to sleep.

I dream some, snippets of storyline regarding my feminine inventory, which is the main topic I search for through EE and it¨s emotional release, but I'll spare that for a swamp post sometime. The dream transforms into me driving on roads, I observe a car in a tunnel which is slow to get out and police cars are waiting to strike ( there is a deadline before the tunnelsystem closes) suddenly I am lying on the road with headlights beaming on me and I see a shadowy profile moving and observing behind the beam, I try to mutter a 'hello, who's there' but my voice is muffled and semi muted, I try shouting again, applying more and more force to my voice. the scene transforms to my room and I am awake, and I am shocked by the recovery of the dream; the clear portrayal of my mechanicalness and helpless waking patterns in life, mixed with the perplexing feeling of the silhout at the end of the dream.

The Silhout behind the beam had me thinking of an abduction scene, and the next moment still in bed trying to take in what I so vividly could still remember, I felt a sensation akin to an injection in my neck and thigh (Perhaps in astral body). I shout out a gargle, remembering Lauras experience of having warded off intruders by asserting will. But it did not feel it had an effect, but the presence or atleast the feeling of it had vanished and I drifted off to sleep again.

Today I have been trying to discipline my dissociations, ordering my aim, trying to apply what I have seen, though I am feeling warped.

 

[Beorn]

I was a drummer for years, learning various indigenous songs from all over the world. As singers/drummers, we were taught to breathe and sing a certain way, which seems to directly correlate with the dynamics of the EE program. If done correctly, those that were dancing around us would breathe in harmony with the signals coming from us; I wonder now if that wasn't the intended result. I never learned a song anywhere that didn't change from the fast beat to the gentle beat, then back again, within a structure that seemed designed to impart information, with a period of "rest" to absorb the information, in order to take in more. It's funny, the songs were mostly about long wave and short wave, synchronized with the beat; a kind of poetry in motion.

Interesting, like contraction and expansion. Maybe at some superficial level teaching about dualities? Hard beat, rest, gentle, rest..
Contract, keep contracted, relax, keep relaxed.
I dont know, I just found that interesting.

Different harmonies also. It's fascinating that while just playing a monotonous beat you can hear other patterns and harmonies emerging. It made me wonder about what part the subconsious mind might play in causing slight variations to your drumming which create different secondary rythms, while the conscious mind just focuses on one beat.

 

[Tarri]

Doing the EE, mom and I have been attempting to not "worry" about things. Just focus and stay calm. Trying to get it together. Well, it seems to be working well. Mom and I will be moving back to Oregon the 21st of September. Her brother is going to help us out. Its going to be better for moms health.
Its beautiful how this technique can empower you and get you back on track. Thank you so much for this Laura. And everyone here on the forum.

Tarri

 

[Tigersoap]

Hi Tarri,

It's good to hear that you're both doing great !
:)

 

[Iron]

I was a drummer for years, learning various indigenous songs from all over the world. As singers/drummers, we were taught to breathe and sing a certain way, which seems to directly correlate with the dynamics of the EE program. If done correctly, those that were dancing around us would breathe in harmony with the signals coming from us; I wonder now if that wasn't the intended result. I never learned a song anywhere that didn't change from the fast beat to the gentle beat, then back again, within a structure that seemed designed to impart information, with a period of "rest" to absorb the information, in order to take in more. It's funny, the songs were mostly about long wave and short wave, synchronized with the beat; a kind of poetry in motion.

Interesting, like contraction and expansion. Maybe at some superficial level teaching about dualities? Hard beat, rest, gentle, rest..
Contract, keep contracted, relax, keep relaxed.
I dont know, I just found that interesting.

Different harmonies also. It's fascinating that while just playing a monotonous beat you can hear other patterns and harmonies emerging. It made me wonder about what part the subconsious mind might play in causing slight variations to your drumming which create different secondary rythms, while the conscious mind just focuses on one beat.

Subconscious variations in drumming strength? That is, if we are not dealing with accidental occurrences resulting in those harmonies.But maybe we are straying from the topic at hand :)

 

[Infiniteness]

So, in other words, things/people are trying to pull you off track of your aim?

This is very common. Especially when our lower emotional center is affected. Meeting people of the opposite sex can certainly get those hormones and chemicals going. So this is something to really watch out for. As you know, the General Law is going to send these women your way to try to get you off track. I think that when you start feeling this longing for a relationship with a new acquaintance, you should stop and settle down and ask yourself if she is really someone you want to spend your life with. Someone who is collinear with your thoughts and aim. Also, it is best to first be friends with these persons and get to actually know them better as a friend for a while and try not to get in an intimate relationship. From what you describe above, things were moving along rather quickly. So try to stay focused on your aim in these situations. Not easy, I know and I'm sorry you have had to have this experience. But all there is is lessons.

And, too, family members are notorious for trying to get people off track. It's like if they aren't doing what you're doing then they think that you MUST start doing what they are doing.

Remember, sometimes dreams are the way we work through emotional issues of the past. But, as you have been doing, stay vigilant.

The fact that you realize these things and don't want to return to the way you were is really great NSD. And, yes, looking at the past and our programming is certainly key in finding out why we react the way we do. Also, getting rid of our self-importance, which is a really hard thing to do, is key in being able to see more objectively.

Onwards and upwards.....

I can also highly relate to what NSD and Manta are going through, I am also going through such an "attack", for the past two weeks or so. About two weeks ago I meet this girl at a Indian housewarming event and the attraction between us was very high, all the signs were there. We had a nice talk, but didn't exchange numbers because her family was present, Indian parents are strict on the whole seeing others situation. The problem here is that a part of me wants to go back and exchange numbers with her(to develop something) but ever since I meet her, it seems Ive been under attack from one thing to another. As of right now I find myself in a tug of war with myself, on whether I should go meet her or not. I know mostly my chemistry and predator is fueling this attraction/pull, but its seems the "chemistry" is getting in the way of my thinking. I suppose I could take this opportunity, just to get to know her and become friends with her.

On top of that my college started a few days ago. With all these females dressing up so seductively, its just adding more fuel for my predator and programs . Sorry for my rant, just needed to vent.

I suppose self discipline and self remembering is the best way to avoid these "attacks" or "people", but easier said then done! It was also interesting to find all these posts on the subject come up, right around when I needed it. Wish you the best NSD, Manta, and Smallwood.

 

[henry]

As of right now I find myself in a tug of war with myself, on whether I should go meet her or not. I know mostly my chemistry and predator is fueling this attraction/pull, but its seems the "chemistry" is getting in the way of my thinking. I suppose I could take this opportunity, just to get to know her and become friends with her.

Or you could take the opportunity to do nothing. :)

Could it be that the idea to "just to get to know her and become friends with her” is a twist of the predator?

On top of that my college started a few days ago. With all these females dressing up so seductively, its just adding more fuel for my predator and programs . Sorry for my rant, just needed to vent.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity to build some will power. :)

I suppose self discipline and self remembering is the best way to avoid these "attacks" or "people", but easier said then done! It was also interesting to find all these posts on the subject come up, right around when I needed it. Wish you the best NSD, Manta, and Smallwood.

Yes, it is easier said than done. The clearer you are internally about your Aim, the more you can keep it in focus, the easier it will be. It can also help to think back to past relationships that took you away from that Aim, if you have any. If not, think about the concrete details of entering into a relationship with someone who isn’t involved in the work. Think about the long-term implications.Are you being fair to her if you are acting on your chemicals?