Elon Musk: Tech Genius! Green Warrior! Biz King! Good Oligarch?

[axj]

A cut in subsidies for electric vehicles, on the other hand, affects him directly, and that's why I think it was the breaking point between the two.

Maybe. The subsidies cut was already announced back in January and Musk did not seem to have a problem with that. Though the actual bill passed now on May 23rd, right before his exit and this public spat. So maybe he was hoping to use his influence to prevent this bill from happening.

 

[mabar]

It does not seem to be about that. Musk wanted to cut government expenses while Trump just massively expanded the expenses, basically breaking one of his election promises.

At the same time, bringing Epstein into this and making it personal seems stupid on Musk's part.

He keeps pulling the thread, what is Musk's real purpose?

 

[axj]

He keeps pulling the thread, what is Musk's real purpose?
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I think SpaceX's Dragon capsule is currently the only way for the US to get astronauts to the space station.

The only reason I see why Musk is doing this would be to appeal to his left-leaning Tesla customers, signaling that he is "back on their side". Without this customer base and without subsidies, Tesla could face some real problems.

 

[Tomek]

Also, and this may seem a little twisted, wasn't Trump trying to distance himself as much as possible from Musk following the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian aircraft? We can assume that Ukrainian forces may have used Starlink to coordinate their attack, so I could understand why it might be in Trump's interest not to want to be associated with this mess.

 

[Cosmos]

If Trump mentioned cutting subsidies for electric vehicles, subsidies that still contribute significantly to Tesla's financial success, I can easily imagine Musk completely losing it, leading to these recent tweets.

What is clear to me is that Trump was quite clear about the crazy electric cars/vehicles/ ships etc, mandates and so on even before he got into office in his maga speeches: Which runs quite contrary to the silly/bad mainstream “green“ agenda ideas. He also repeatedly mentioned Musk in there and said while he likes him that electric cars have their place and justifications to exist, but that shouldn’t mean that they get privileged over already very good and reliable diesel/gasoline inventions/vehicles. In other words: They can and should be part of the market but the idea to get rid of normal vehicles and even artificially favor electric vehicles is neither right nor sensible. I couldn’t agree more back then and can’t agree more now.

 

[Cosmos]

When it comes to track records between Trump and Musk I think Musk has a quite dismal one in comparison to Trump. Here are some comparisons between the two and some of the things I have noticed over the years (my opinion):

- Personal life and relationships to his immediate family is markedly different and better with Trump.

- What kind of people are the offspring becoming and/or where do they end up: markedly better with Trump.

- What kind of father is he? Markedly better with Trump.

- What are the actual fruits for everyday people in what the person creates and promotes? Markedly better with Trump.

- How much of what he does goes more into the STS direction and things based on ignorance? Musk is quite a bit ahead of Trump there.

- Red flags in what he is saying and doing: Plenty can be found with Musk and markedly less with Trump.

- Between the two, whose promises/ideas are overall better for most people? Markedly better with Trump.

- Who has received more negative public pressure and despite that kept going: Trump.

- Who has more positive one on one relationships with common people (even if often just very shortly): Trump.

- Who attracts and is favored more by more common people? Likely Trump.

- Who has more strikingly mainstream and ignorant views/ideas? Musk.

- Who keeps his main promises, or at least tries to? Trump is probably quite a bit better there.

- Who seems to be more or less constantly under drugs while having huge responsibilities towards people and having small children at the same time? Musk seems to be a drug addict while Trump doesn’t even ever touch alcohol.

- What kind of person would be a drug addict and be a father at the same time? Not a very good one IMO. Musk seems to be that. In stark contrast, Trump seems to be as sober as you can get.

- Who seems to be more open to alternative and not mainstream ideas: Trump.

- Who seems to be able to better change his mind about something: Trump.

- Who has a greater or bigger amount of instinctive common sense? Trump.

- Who has named some of his children in very weird ways? Musk.

So, from that standpoint I have plenty of reasons to assume that Musk probably is more in the wrong here than Trump. And he is probably having a fit. Which doesn’t necessarily mean Trump hasn’t done or said quite some bad things in the situation as well. Musk also strikes me as a person who might be inclined to not being used to not getting what he wants and reacting by throwing fits. When I have time I try to look more closely into the situation.

 

[whitecoast]

Musk was seen last week sporting a new black eye. He alleges it's because his son X (five years old) punched him while they were horsing around.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928528973459312701

Among theorists there's something called the Black Eye Club. It's weirdly common for famous people to sport this kind of bruise. I think it could be part of some type of ritual abuse. Crazy people on X are saying it's from an alien parasite being introduced to the brain through the optic nerve.

It's odd timing for this to occur just before the Lover's Quarrel between Trump and Musk. It's not a coincidence, is it?

 

[Cosmos]

Musk was seen last week sporting a new black eye. He alleges it's because his son X (five years old) punched him while they were horsing around.

I have little reasons to disbelieve what Musk said there: He asked his little son named “X“ to punch him in the face, which he then did. Another sign to me that Musk isn’t the best at being a responsible father.

 

[Ruth]

When it comes to track records between Trump and Musk I think Musk has a quite dismal one in comparison to Trump. Here are some comparisons between the two and some of the things I have noticed over the years (my opinion):

I think I must be suffering from a kind of information overload, but I'm not really upto hearing any more subjective, judgemental comparisons and/or opinions about people of whom we know nothing about (except what they chose to show us, or that we are told by others).

- Who has more strikingly mainstream and ignorant views/ideas? Musk.

I vote Trump. That 'Operation Warp speed' was a real killer and a winner by far. Musk tends to challenge ideas more than Trump. Perhaps it is a generational thing, or a personality type thing? Trump thought he could actually win votes on Operation Warp speed.... until people started booing him at rallies.

 

[axj]

I vote Trump. That 'Operation Warp speed' was a real killer and a winner by far.

True, even though Trump was almost certainly misled and was not "in on it" to consciously kill or maim millions of people with the mRNA shots.

Musk's view that it is a good idea for everyone to have brain implants that will be connected to AI and God knows what else seems to be entirely his idea though.

The other "big one" currently is that Trump is apparently being misled again by the would be technocrats to implement their digital control system ($500 billion "Stargate AI", etc.).

 

[Jones]

What is clear to me is that Trump was quite clear about the crazy electric cars/vehicles/ ships etc, mandates and so on even before he got into office in his maga speeches: Which runs quite contrary to the silly/bad mainstream “green“ agenda ideas. He also repeatedly mentioned Musk in there and said while he likes him that electric cars have their place and justifications to exist, but that shouldn’t mean that they get privileged over already very good and reliable diesel/gasoline inventions/vehicles. In other words: They can and should be part of the market but the idea to get rid of normal vehicles and even artificially favor electric vehicles is neither right nor sensible. I couldn’t agree more back then and can’t agree more now.

I tend to agree with the above and also think that Musk should have seen this coming given his DOGE contract with the government and Trumps call to 'drill baby, drill.'

Hopefully the D takes a similar stance with neurolink and transhumanism.

Edited to add: Perhaps Trump expected Musk to flag government subsidies on EV's as against the idea of DOGE and to also cancel those contracts?

 

[gc8]

 

[SOTTREADER]

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So true lol

 

[seek10]

I think I must be suffering from a kind of information overload, but I'm not really upto hearing any more subjective, judgemental comparisons and/or opinions about people of whom we know nothing about (except what they chose to show us, or that we are told by others).

what about this? (though it is not clear who is right for the positive future of the planet)
session-29-march-2025

(Puma) What are the chances that a member of the current cabinet, including Musk, will betray Trump?

A: 50/50

Q: And why is there a 50/50 chance?

A: Trump can be blinkered sometimes.

Q: (L) And I guess blinkered is kind of a way to say that he's got blinders on.

(Niall) Blind spots.

(L) Yeah, blind spots.

(Andromeda) Like what horses wear?

(L) Yeah, like what the horses wear. We call 'em blinders?

(Andromeda) I think so.

(L) Is that what they call 'em when they put the things on the horses? Yeah. Somebody there has to know. Okay:

 

[iamthatis]

True, even though Trump was almost certainly misled and was not "in on it" to consciously kill or maim millions of people with the mRNA shots.

Musk's view that it is a good idea for everyone to have brain implants that will be connected to AI and God knows what else seems to be entirely his idea though.

The other "big one" currently is that Trump is apparently being misled again by the would be technocrats to implement their digital control system ($500 billion "Stargate AI", etc.).

The C's did seem to indicate Musk's interest in neuralink as well-intentioned:

Session 10 December 2022​

Q: (Toronto Group) Is Elon Musk Neuralink part of planned AI and is Musk aware hyperdimensional realities?

(L) Okay, first part: Planned AI?

A: No. Musk sees it as human defense. But he is wrong because it can be easily hacked.