Emotional state right now

[Leona]

I believe that what is important is what you think and not others. Having said that, it is always healthy to realize what you do not know and hit the books for the source of that piece of theoretical knowledge. However, although only practice makes the theoretical knowledge perfect the practice cannot be done on your own.
If the knowledge you seek is esoterical in nature, there are many schools of thought out there. This forum is focused on the Fourth Way. There is a list of books for recommended reading and perhaps it would be a good idea to look at it, see what you might have covered from there, and start interacting on the Work threads.
Otherwise, the first step to empower yourself is to acknowledge where you are and ground in that as your beloved point of departure for everything else you want to start.

It was just quite weird the way things were unfolding. It is not something that I wanted to share with anyone except the forum because I know the way people around me think. It was offered to me to decide if it resonates with what I search, based on a free will. As my health deteriorated in the last year, it gave me something to look forward..although I never had any inclinations towards such a way of thinking.
I read Gurdjieff , Ouspensky etc... That's why I think I'm grounded, as I wrote, and am not falling on anything that is offered to me..I do enjoy good discussion, and I'm always interested in others points of view. Love reading, learning and exploring new stuff..it's an neverending work. I don't normally lean towards any groups, so it was a big deal for me to join this forum. I found myself a lot in Laura's work.

 

[BlueKiwi]

It was just quite weird the way things were unfolding. It is not something that I wanted to share with anyone except the forum because I know the way people around me think. It was offered to me to decide if it resonates with what I search, based on a free will. As my health deteriorated in the last year, it gave me something to look forward..although I never had any inclinations towards such a way of thinking.
I read Gurdjieff , Ouspensky etc... That's why I think I'm grounded, as I wrote, and am not falling on anything that is offered to me..I do enjoy good discussion, and I'm always interested in others points of view. Love reading, learning and exploring new stuff..it's an neverending work. I don't normally lean towards any groups, so it was a big deal for me to join this forum. I found myself a lot in Laura's work.

I find that grounding for me is to be connected to the earth. I find just going out into nature and "being with it" facilitates balancing. Or just going down to the beach and standing in the waves for even a few minutes can be enough.

I thank you for sharing this - it is likely that when you are feeling a certain way, others are as well, and it's healthy to talk about it, and is good for all.

 

[Ben]

It's hard to describe but I get very tense and they last many hours. After a while my eyes get clouded, I think by mucus, and it's like my eye glasses are off when I have them on. I can feel quite good at times but when the anxiety happens I feel unsecure and tense and it's like being in a different suit of clothes/being in a different world. I worry about anything and everything. But the main thing I feel is that I want to escape to a secure place out of this world which makes no sense because I am home. I also tend to lay notice at dust and dirt and have an urgent feeling of vacuum cleaning and doing the dishes, but the episodes happen mostly in the night, so I can't do that

I am a very neat and tidy person, when I was younger I was even starting to show some OCD like tendencies in this regard. I remember feeling most anxious when I wasn't able to 'correct' things because we had guests staying, for example. This is something I've learned to leave behind as an adult, or is it? I notice now that I sometimes get an increased feeling of tension when things are not as orderly as I would like, even though most of the time I am happy for things to be less than perfect.

My theory is that part of it is a desire to 'exert control' over my environment, maybe to compensate for a lack of control elsewhere. I think the best thing to do is observe it closely and maybe become more aware of patterns associated with it. There are so many factors that could be responsible for our level of anxiety, but many of them can be helped by changes that are absolutely under our power. Diet, breathing exercises, understanding our past traumas, observing ourselves etc. To me, it only makes sense to give weight to outside influences on our state of mind once everything else has been eliminated as a cause.

 

[Leona]

I find that grounding for me is to be connected to the earth. I find just going out into nature and "being with it" facilitates balancing. Or just going down to the beach and standing in the waves for even a few minutes can be enough.

I thank you for sharing this - it is likely that when you are feeling a certain way, others are as well, and it's healthy to talk about it, and is good for all.

Totally agree. It's therapeutic and we automatically feel better. Last time I was walking through the woods I fell into a short meditative state. Awesome feeling. Since last year I have hard time being around crowds so I'm avoiding it as much as possible. Nature heals.

Thank you It does feel better to share with others. Our mental and emotional burden are diminished.

 

[iamthatis]

I want to thank all the members who are active and whose posts I am happy to follow and learn from. Personally, I'm not too active because I'm struggling with health and other problems, as I know most of you do.

I wanted to ask your opinion, and if you could share your wisdom on one situation.

In fact, an interesting thing happened. After ten years, I contacted a gentleman (70 something years young who is engaged in various alternative techniques for „neck“ massage/adjusting (about 20 years ago I broke my jaw bone, part of it is missing, part of the bone elsewhere becomes infected and all together carries pain 24/7 which has caused chronic sinus inflammation, and now heart problems..long journey of pain and problems). He's from another part of the country but he was ready to come and do it for me and my husband.

When we met he told me everything exactly the same as he did about 10 years ago.. that my soul is not earthly but heavenly, divine, that I have a wonderful aura but also a lot of problems in this life, I carry the sorrow and burden of the world, etc. Back then I didn't think it was something special because I thought there were much more souls like that.

But this time, after everything I've been through so far, all the adversity, the loss of trust in the people around me, the will, struggle, etc. it touched me. He offered to make us (my hubby and me) a jyotish after a while, which I always wanted but for some reason didn't do it. And so, after almost 3 hours of reading, jyotish confirmed to him everything he had previously told me about the origin of my soul, my previous life but also showed how difficult my life is (through family instead of support I have difficulties, etc.) and how I have obstacles waiting for me almost every step of the way. He offered help, to walk me through it to have a minimal impact on me, and to reduce the blockages. Turns out he's a Maharishi guru. Um ok.

I'm aware of what the C's say about the Hindu gods and Indian culture, religion, vegetarians, etc. That, along with my natural skepticism, makes me keep a decent distance from everything.

It's been a month already but the gentleman is still so thrilled to find me. He said the gods had shown him in his sleep that I would appear and that I was special. He mentioned that I'm perfect for who I am that all the knowledge and wisdom is in me, that all it takes is to wake up. Too much bad happened, there were blockades in place and he said the other side (guess STS) went to great lengths to disable me (by referring to my health problems).

He said that in past lives I was a very respected high priestess who taught others, etc., and that he was overjoyed because of the tens of thousands of people he taught, he had come across maybe two of those with predispositions like me and that he would very much like to have the honor of passing on his knowledge to me. I know that I am currently on the wrong path of life (and it is difficult in these turbulent times to calmly direct our lives) and I would really like to learn all the techniques from meditation, healing, etc. to help myself to be better and therefore to help others. It strikes me as something positive, I have someone who cares about me being well and who would do as much as he can to balance my health to allow the soul to dive deeper and bring to the surface buried knowledge (if any).

He is very known person in this circle, he taught some of the famous alternative doctors in my country…and I am down to earth person, not falling so easily on everything that is offered to me. Yeah, interesting…so..I'm very interested in what you think of all this. Thank you all very much in advance and sorry for the long post

Hey Leona, I see a big red flag in this story of yours. This 'guru' is actively trying to convince you that you are special, trying to stir up your self-importance, and trying in inflate it. I can't know for sure, but it looks like you are in the beginnings of being manipulated or groomed.

For a refresher on the danger of self-importance, here's some snippets from Castaneda's Fire from Within:

"Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.

Or that we spend our lives trying to please someone else - such as someone who has just told us that we are a very special Soul.

"The new seers recommended that every effort should be made to eradicate self-importance from the lives of warriors. I have followed that recommendation, and much of my endeavors with you has been geared to show you that without self-importance we are invulnerable."

And by logical extension, with self-importance, we are vulnerable.

"Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy," he said. "My statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that makes me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy yourself."

We were quiet for a long time. I wanted to think about what he had said. Suddenly, he started talking again.

"Warriors take strategic inventories," he said. "They list everything they do. Then they decide

Don Juan said then that in the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as the activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their effort to eradicate it.

So it may be, according to this reading of Castaneda, that he is inviting you to haemorrhage energy at a greater rate than before.

"One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order to face the unknown with it," don Juan went on. "The action of rechanneling that energy is impeccability."

Given that we are facing so much that is unknown at this time, it is paramount to have as much energy available to face it as possible given our current life circumstances.

I noticed that the guru dude is also saying that he can 'walk you through' the blockages in your life. So to sweeten the deal, he is saying that although you are special and spiritual - but he will do the Work for you! Sounds like New Age COINTELPRO to me.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't trust someone like this guru. The combined Knowledge of the forum is pretty clear on this point - there are many predators out there, and many of them masquerading as beings of light. Without knowing all the details, he may be a predator, or perhaps simply someone who is more lost than he is letting on, but convinced that he is a sage.

Have you read the Fire from Within? It may be a good one to pick up. It's one of my all-time favourites.

 

[Leona]

Hey Leona, I see a big red flag in this story of yours. This 'guru' is actively trying to convince you that you are special, trying to stir up your self-importance, and trying in inflate it. I can't know for sure, but it looks like you are in the beginnings of being manipulated or groomed.

For a refresher on the danger of self-importance, here's some snippets from Castaneda's Fire from Within:



Or that we spend our lives trying to please someone else - such as someone who has just told us that we are a very special Soul.



And by logical extension, with self-importance, we are vulnerable.



So it may be, according to this reading of Castaneda, that he is inviting you to haemorrhage energy at a greater rate than before.



Given that we are facing so much that is unknown at this time, it is paramount to have as much energy available to face it as possible given our current life circumstances.

I noticed that the guru dude is also saying that he can 'walk you through' the blockages in your life. So to sweeten the deal, he is saying that although you are special and spiritual - but he will do the Work for you! Sounds like New Age COINTELPRO to me.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't trust someone like this guru. The combined Knowledge of the forum is pretty clear on this point - there are many predators out there, and many of them masquerading as beings of light. Without knowing all the details, he may be a predator, or perhaps simply someone who is more lost than he is letting on, but convinced that he is a sage.

Have you read the Fire from Within? It may be a good one to pick up. It's one of my all-time favourites.

Hi! Thank you for such a thorough reply. It was what I was looking for here. Sober response.
Exactly what I felt deep inside. A red flag wrapped in something sweet, beautiful and naive. Tough, it did attract me a bit because I have health issues, and after lots of years I got up and brought my health to an enviable level..but then something happened last year and I fell hard again (was thinking of vaxx shedding?!), so with old problems I got a new one. He offered to help me and bring me back to a balanced state, and it felt sincere. Pretty weird thing. More so because I don't let myself be manipulated or groomed in such a way. But he came into my life after I prayed, from deep within me for help, you know that little thread that connects us directly to the One, the Creator.. because I felt lost in pain and solitude.
I did say to him that I really don't feel special and that if we look at it that way that every person is special on its on way. And I do see every soul as something special. Every day he sends me messages about Vedic, Hindu wisdom..i simply say thank you, i'll look into it or if he asks me what I think about it, I reply. Then he acts thrilled and I say that I see my answers as basic, common knowledge. Even if it is not.
His vision is to bring my health to a balanced level so I'm ready in every way to receive his knowledge,..so yeah sounds like New Age We Will Do the Enlightenment for You kind of deal..and I don't like it at all. He arranged for me to see a Ayurvedic doctor that comes from Germany..and I'm not sure if I will go.
I really didn't read Fire from Within...I have a long list of books to read but with all that is happening - working every day through Plandemic and having usual every day problems - time is slipping away. I am waiting for ten books to arrive but will order this one too.
With much love and gratitude, Leona

 

[Jenn]

Hi Leona, I tend to agree with Iamthatis, I think it's healthy to have some skepticism about all that he is saying, particularly this:

His vision is to bring my health to a balanced level so I'm ready in every way to receive his knowledge

and this:

He offered help, to walk me through it to have a minimal impact on me, and to reduce the blockages. Turns out he's a Maharishi guru. Um ok.

I know that I am currently on the wrong path of life (and it is difficult in these turbulent times to calmly direct our lives) and I would really like to learn all the techniques from meditation, healing, etc. to help myself to be better and therefore to help others. It strikes me as something positive, I have someone who cares about me being well and who would do as much as he can to balance my health to allow the soul to dive deeper and bring to the surface buried knowledge (if any).

Given what you are dealing with on a daily basis I think it's natural that you appreciate his care and concern for your wellbeing, but there is this nagging question- what's in it for him? Practically speaking, how does he plan to walk you through it to have minimal impact on you? Will this violate your free will and get in the way of lessons you need to learn? These are just some questions to consider, you don't necessarily need to answer them here.

Perhaps starting your own thread on the forum and sharing your issues might help you find some answers, or help you find a different path?

 

[Leona]

Hi Leona, I tend to agree with Iamthatis, I think it's healthy to have some skepticism about all that he is saying, particularly this:

and this:




Given what you are dealing with on a daily basis I think it's natural that you appreciate his care and concern for your wellbeing, but there is this nagging question- what's in it for him? Practically speaking, how does he plan to walk you through it to have minimal impact on you? Will this violate your free will and get in the way of lessons you need to learn? These are just some questions to consider, you don't necessarily need to answer them here.

Perhaps starting your own thread on the forum and sharing your issues might help you find some answers, or help you find a different path?

Thank you for your understanding, I appreciate it. I do agree with Iamthatis too.

Good questions..I was wondering the same, and more..and the only thing I got from him is that he would feel happy and content knowing he passed all his learning to someone who understands and appreciate it. As almost as an obsession to find a student and give this knowledge the way he thinks it should be given. But as I recall C's said a lot of that knowledge has been corrupted and we need to work through it.
I feel as he is obsessed with the whole thing.. but obsession stops progress of gathering true knowledge.

What I learned is that when we have bigger health/other problems it tends to obscure at moments the way we think and feel. That's when we need to reach out and seek help. Lessons all the way.

I didn't consider starting my own thread. Thanks for suggestion.

 

[Nienna]

I totally agree with iamthatis and Jenn on this issue. This guy seems to be in the "Love and Light" category.

We've learned here on the forum that if someone's "teachings" make you feel all warm and fuzzy, it's best to not get involved.

In your intro, you said that you've read the Wave. Have you read all of the books in that series? They do end up discussing the New Age group and how they are really cointelpro as iamthat is mentioned. There's a wealth of knowledge in those books. If you have read all of them, maybe it would be a good thing to read them again. I've found that when reading these books again (and again) that I find things in them that I either missed before, or don't remember, or that I've learned a bit more since the last reading and things make more sense to me.

Anyway, this guru guy sounds like bad juju to me.

 

[Leona]

I totally agree with iamthatis and Jenn on this issue. This guy seems to be in the "Love and Light" category.

We've learned here on the forum that if someone's "teachings" make you feel all warm and fuzzy, it's best to not get involved.

In your intro, you said that you've read the Wave. Have you read all of the books in that series? They do end up discussing the New Age group and how they are really cointelpro as iamthat is mentioned. There's a wealth of knowledge in those books. If you have read all of them, maybe it would be a good thing to read them again. I've found that when reading these books again (and again) that I find things in them that I either missed before, or don't remember, or that I've learned a bit more since the last reading and things make more sense to me.

Anyway, this guru guy sounds like bad juju to me.

I've been thinking for a month about posting this guru issue here. Since I don't have someone in my environment who could seriously discuss it (I don't have friends that read the Wave or follow C's or are interested in such things with whom I can exchange opinions..I mean, I did have, but he died very young few years ago), in the end I decided to ask for opinion here.

I did read the Wave, but as I said in the post above..I felt a red flag deep inside. I guess I just wanted a confirmation.
I am sure it can happen to anyone in some period of life, because of some bad and unexpected stuff you let your guard down and no matter how well you are prepared mentally for challenges it can throw you out of the optimal state, a balance, frequency falls and that's when such people/situations try to get in to your life. That's why keeping good overall health is essential.

I find myself reading again and again transcriptions and articles and books and it is true that every time you read anew you find something you somehow skipped last time or you look at it in a new light.
Thank you so much for reply

 

[Nienna]

I did read the Wave, but as I said in the post above..I felt a red flag deep inside. I guess I just wanted a confirmation.
I am sure it can happen to anyone in some period of life, because of some bad and unexpected stuff you let your guard down and no matter how well you are prepared mentally for challenges it can throw you out of the optimal state, a balance, frequency falls and that's when such people/situations try to get in to your life.

Absolutely it can! We all have at one point or another (or many points) have this happen. The thing is that you did feel that this was off and saw red flags. And, best of all, you brought it here to the forum and networked about it. That's why we all need to be aware at all times (as much as we can be). And to bring up here on the forum anything that we are not sure about. Networking works!

A to you.

 

[Leona]

Absolutely it can! We all have at one point or another (or many points) have this happen. The thing is that you did feel that this was off and saw red flags. And, best of all, you brought it here to the forum and networked about it. That's why we all need to be aware at all times (as much as we can be). And to bring up here on the forum anything that we are not sure about. Networking works!

A to you.

So grateful! Thank you

 

[Bluegazer]

Reading what you all comment here in this thread, it seems to me that this is what the C's were referring to in the last session:

A: Be aware that you are currently under attack by forces that wish to silence you and end your exertions on behalf of your group in specific and the planet in general. These forces are getting desperate and will attempt to use any inroad possible. Be awake and alert at all times. Any disputes or disagreements can be easily blown out of proportion to your destruction. And then, when the negative energy is withdrawn, the devastation left will be amplified by the knowledge that it was all a deception. [Planchette swirls around and around for about 45 seconds] You have been warned. Do not take this lightly. Communicate and listen. It will take all of you together to navigate these dangers!!! Goodbye.

 

[siftingmaterials]

Reading what you all comment here in this thread, it seems to me that this is what the C's were referring to in the last session:

Another way to look at this, in relation to personal stress and a desire yo conduct one's self in order to produce certain outcomes:

So often our suffering is amplified by an allegiance to fear. Fear of never rising to a state of health. Fear of being manipulated. Fear of loneliness, fear of death, so on. There is so much of our cognition that fear would colonize and command us as its servant.

Rather, what is it we desire? Peace? Happiness? Safety? Comfort? These are not ideas. Like fear, they are states of being. They must be accessed, consciously, RIGHT NOW.

The belief that we are somehow fallen and/or seperated from our peace, our comfort or our safety by a gulf of time is nothing more than a belief. In my opinion, what there is is what there is. There IS suffering, yes. But much of our stress is manufactured through a willful allegiance to fearful thinking. We often identify with fearful thoughts.

We are not our thoughts. Meditation shows us that we can stand at the crossroads of the mind and simply watch the vehicles pass us without getting in. If we suddonly become aware that we're now in the passanger seat of an econovan, a limousine or a cop car, we can get out. This level of awareness is the foundation of a constructive approach to mindful awareness that makes us responsible, right now. The fact of our culpability is crucial. The distribution of attention that we afford to different states of being is a fundimental truth behind the present moment.

 

[Telesfora]

I am a quiet person by nature, I don't talk much and generally passive when it comes to conflicts, but such a huge anger I felt yesterday, I don't think I have ever felt before. Here's the situation: Quite recently I met a Russian man and I liked him very much. Thanks to him my emotional state has improved a lot. I have far less negative thoughts and less desire to suddenly burst out crying. I told my mother about him and her answer just shocked me. She said she felt disgusted by my choice, and that I should never bring him home because.... he would murder us all and that I should never even mention him to my father. She said also a few bad things about Russians. I was so infuriated after what she said that I wanted to hit the table with my hands but I stopped myself. I didn't answer her with anything. Later on I still had the urge to destroy something. Today I feel better. But I am horrified at what Western propaganda has done to my parents. Many people have mentioned before how they have been put at odds with their own families, how they have been cut off from old friends by all the lies fed by the mainstream media but I didn't think I would feel it so strongly about my own example.​