Eyes Wide Shut - Stanley Kubrick

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I just recently saw it for the first time. I was told that Stanley kubrick died while the film was being made, and the final editing was done without him. Considering the subject matter included elite rituals, possibly mind controlled sex slaves, and with a little imagination offering sex services that could be filmed and used to blackmail politicians etc., I wonder if there was any indication that there was foul play.

Does anyone have any more information?
 
How odd, I was thinking about the movie today and wondered if anyone had posted something about it.

Anyway, I've seen it three or four times now and I find this movie pretty fascinating.
The first time I saw it, I did not really like it, I wasn't that much interested in secret societies at the time.

From my personal point of view this movie seemed layered with things unsaid and it is fascinating to me, although it could only be a distraction.

Somehow I have this theory that Stanley Kubrick played with Tom Cruise, making his character act things about the real Tom Cruise without him realizing it.

There is a scene where I think (but my recollection of it is hazy at best) Tom Cruise is watching a mirror and it's like he realizes how empty he is.

On another level it seems like SK hints at the hidden homosexuality of TC because in the movie, although he get a lot of chance to, ehm, score, not once he does it, there is always something that make it impossible for it to happen. I think other scenes hinted at this as well.

I am not holding dearly to these ideas, it's just an angle I had watching it and talking about it to friends.

Still, even if it does not go very far, it speaks about things you don't often see depicted this way in movies.
Considering the previous movies SK did, you got to wonder what he knew about all this.


There is this weird website which I don't know if it's just a nutcase having fun or disinfo :

http:(slash)(slash)www(dot)youreyeswideshut(dot)com
(click on some pictures to go to other hidden pages)

There was a whole thread dedicated to this movie a good while ago at the Rigorous intuition board but it seems out of order for the moment.
 
There is an interesting book by Uri Dowbenko entitled "Hoodwinked: Watching Movies with Eyes Wide Open." The author has a detailed review for the film "Eyes Wide Shut" regarding the mind control, sexual exploitation, Tavistock statue used as Cruise's costume, and secret society symbolism that Kubrick employed in the making of this film.

The review used to be on Dowbenko's site: http://www.conspiracydigest.com/hoodwinked.html I just looked and it doesn't appear to be included in the contents.

Go here: http://www.amazon.com/Hoodwinked-Watching-Movies-Eyes-Wide/dp/0971004226 for the book details.

I did a forum search on Uri Dowbenko...hit only one thread. Don't know exactly where he is coming from...or whether or not he is Cointelpro. I do find his film reviews facinating and agree with many of his observations.
 
Here's a link to Uri Dowbenko's film review. Posted below as well:

Eyes Wide Shut: Occult Entertainment
by Uri Dowbenko

After crashing an Illuminati satanic ritual and sex orgy, Dr. Harford (Tom Cruise) is told by his millionaire friend Victor Ziegler (Sydney Pollack), "You've been way out of your depth for the last twenty-four hours."

"I know what happened last night," he continues. "I don't think you realize what kind of trouble you're in... If I told you their names, I don't think you'd sleep so well." The implication? The Power Elite are actively performing these rituals on a regular basis. Having wheedled the password to the party from his piano-player friend Nick Nightingale (Todd Field), Harford, dressed in tuxedo, mask, hood and cloak, enters a Gothic-style mansion.

In the central room, he encounters a large gathering -- a circle of twelve black cloaked hooded figures who disrobing reveal themselves to be naked women wearing nothing but masks, high heels, and G-strings. A red-cloaked and hooded man with a mask stands in the middle of the circle. He stamps the ground with a large staff, while holding a censer which spills out clouds of smoky incense. Surrounding the scene are spectators also clothed in black robes and golden masks. Harford's friend plays the organ blindfolded, while an otherworldly chanting emanates in the background.

A woman approaches Harford and says, "I'm not sure you know what you're doing, but you don't belong here." Even in a mask, he has no disguise.

"You are in great danger and you must get away while you can," she continues.

Finally, the trespassing doctor is called before the inquisition-like council. He is unmasked, revealed and then condemned. The naked masked woman who tries to warn him tells the council, "Take me. I can redeem him."

"Are you sure you understand what you're taking upon yourself?" the man in the red robe asks her. She nods, and the doctor is told, "You are free."

The next day Harford discovers that Nightingale, accompanied by two thugs, has mysteriously disappeared from his hotel. The woman has died, her drug overdose reported in the newspaper. And the doctor realizes that he himself has narrowly escaped death -- being sacrificed at the Illuminati ritual.

Moral of the story? Even though Tom Cruise as a doctor considers himself one of the elite, there are much more powerful forces behind the scenes who are really running the show.

Eyes Wide Shut, set in the world of upper class Manhattan society, opens with Dr. Harford and his wife Alice (Nicole Kidman) attending a party in their millionaire friend's luxurious home. They are each tempted by the seductions of wealth, power, and lust.

At home, after the party, Bill and Alice get stoned. Alice tells her husband about her sexual fantasy. Bill can't stand the thought of her with another man, and thinking he'll get even, he leaves, caught in a jealous web of confusion.

If you've been puzzled by the title Eyes Wide Shut, you're not alone. According to ritual abuse and mind control survivor Arizona Wilder, it's a satanic cult term which means that whatever you've seen here is not to be revealed to anyone... or else.

"Monarch [mind control] programmers use this term," says Wilder in a recent interview. "It was so cult [like]," she continues. "Put him [the Tom Cruise character] in a double bind."

The movie was also reminiscent of her ritual experiences."In one of my journals from 1990, I talk about a ritual where they all have golden masks and hooded robes," she says. "It has to do with the sun god. Thye use these masks in Egyptian-type ceremony rituals. The masks mean "we are not individuals, but we have one purpose in mind."One thing they did is they never unmask."

Wilder also finds a deep significance in the sign for Rennes Street and the name of the pianist whose name Nightingale means messenger from the dark. "The name of the costume shop was representative of getting to the ritual by going 'Over the Rainbow,'" she says.

"The movie was making a statement. We [the Illuminati] are here. What are you going to do about it?" she concludes.

Wilder thinks the end of the film is also significant. "They'll leave us alone [the Nicole Kidman character says]. We'll keep our mouths shut, and that's why evil goes on... This happened with these people and he [Tom Cruise] couldn't prove it."

The occult meaning of the film? It's another signal to the world that everything -- including the governance of Planet Earth -- is under Illuminati control. The Illuminati, also called "Olympians" and "Moriah Conquering Wind," are a "network" of interconnected "bloodlines" who call themselves "The Family" or "The Circle." Intergenerational satanism, or more accurately Luciferianism, is their primary belief structure. They consider themselves a tribe set apart, a proud super race who trace their genealogical origin back to Nimrod. By the way, they also believe that they are the designated rulers of Planet Earth.

It may also be significant that the film's director Stanley Kubrick died suddenly. Mozart, a mason, died soon after revealing masonic mysteries in his opera, The Magic Flute. Author Stephen Knight, whose book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution (1975) revealed Victorian London's Whitechapel Murders as the work of ritual masonic killers, also died mysteriously. And William Morgan, author of Freemasonry Exposed (1836) was kidnapped and allegedly murdered by masons.

Filmmaker Stanley Kubrick was well known for his mystifying movies, his notorious control-freak mentality, and his consistently mechanistic world-view. With his trademark horror-show porno touch, Kubrick's obsession with Illuminati iconography has served his masters well. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) was about evolution and the diddling of mankind from behind-the-scenes. A Clockwork Orange (1971) was the prototype of trauma-based mind control for programming violence. Barry Lyndon (1975) explored the occult politics of the ruling classes in 18th century British society. Lolita (1962) singlehandedly promoted Pedophilia Chic. Full Metal Jacket (1987) was an iconic depiction of the Military S&M Cult, showing the brutality of the Vietnam War preceded by US Marine Brainwashing, i.e. basic training.

Eyes Wide Shut was Kubrick's last film. In the end, after an oddly unemotional, almost lifeless performance, Tom Cruise tells his wife, "No dream is just a dream." He still wonders if stumbling into the masquerade ball-sex orgy-ritual of the Illuminati was "real" or some hypnotic dream state. His wife reassures him "We're awake now," but it's another double bind since she's completely in denial.

Eyes Wide Shut will be remembered as the film that dares to ask: Planet Earth. Who's The Boss?

Copyright 1999 Uri Dowbenko. Uri Dowbenko is CEO of New Improved Entertainment Corp. He can be reached by e-mail at u.dowbenko@mailcity.com
 
Thanks for the link.

I probably fused the following article/comments in my mind with Dowbenko's review here: http://www.ellisctaylor.com/eyeswideshut.html

I remember reading the aforementioned page a few years ago, along with Dowbenko...when I was in my Illuminati research phase. Don't know about Ellis Taylor...just thought at the time the remarks were interesting as I was weirded out by some of the same stuff in the film.

Tom Cruise (and his ex who appears in the film) creeped me out well before his 'jumping on the sofa with Oprah' antics.
 
I've only seen this movie once, and it was pretty clear.

I don't think it was meant to move anyone, but more that it was a send up to the powers that assume: unbeknownst is that the low folk know and understand, and it sure looks ridiculous, by any means.

Artificial boundaries and struggle against them on display.

The fidelity of the mock up on film versus the mock up in Real Life (tm), was out in the open.

Laughing at false gods and those who aspire to them.

The film was marvelous in it's ridicule.
 
Okay...I couldn't resist adding this tidbit to this thread: A Heaven and Hell ball for decadent European nobility and assorted elites. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462618&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART

Check out the photos from the article of the masked "black birdman" and his wife. Very "Eyes Wide Shutish."

Too bad Paris Hilton is in prison. She missed the party.
 
Does anyone have any more insight on Kubrick? He seems a bit of an enigma. Most of his films seem to point to an uncommon knowledge and portrayal of the darker side of life. Where did it come from and why was he so blatant about it in his films? Eyes wide shut is pretty horrifying. I read somewhere that he thought this was his best film, it was also his last. There's a very full review of the film here: _http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0096.html
The ending is ambiguous, particularly Dr Harford's conversation with Ziegler. Ziegler says to Harford something to the effect of "or perhaps it was all staged, just to frighten you, keep you afraid"....This is crafty because the viewer is likely to wonder this too, not only with regards to the film, but in life too....are they just stories to keep people afraid and have power over them or are they true?? Is this question asked so that it gives Harford/the viewer the opportunity to lapse back into sleep with the notion that they're just scaremongering?
What exactly was Kubrick up to?? Any ideas anyone?
 
A mon sens, le sujet de EWS est la fascination.
premier principe, une femme fascinée par une icone, l'homme archétypal, force, sécurité, charme monolithique. les mêmes ingrédients que dans la série twilight

second principe, un homme en quête du mystère féminin, le secret des alcôves (la société secrète est une métaphore). inaccessible beauté masquée, dérobée puis soumise.

troisième, type indeterminé la scene avec Victor Ziegler , sexe brut, sans magnétisme possible, sauf animal.

Tout tourne autour de la superficialité.

Barry Lindon était sur le même sujet. l'esthétique du film est le point d'épure pour chaque principe, couleurs, ombres étudiée comme un tableau, une nature morte.

La dernière scène est un retour à l'enfant, à l'accomplissement.
C'est à la fois la fin et le début.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dacslOgrWZQ
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In my opinion, the subject of EWS is the fascination.
first principle, a woman fascinated by an icon, the archetypal man, strength, safety, charm monolithic. the same ingredients as in the twilight series

second principle, a man in search of feminine mystery, the secret alcoves (the secret society is a metaphor). unattainable beauty hidden, stolen and then submitted.

third, indeterminate type scene with Victor Ziegler, raw sex, without magnetism possible, except animal.

All about superficiality.

Barry Lyndon was on the same subject. the aesthetics of the film is the point blueprint for each principle, colors, shadows studied as a table, a still life.

The last scene is a return to the child, to completion.
It is both the end and the beginning.
 
I read an intriguing analysis of Eyes Wide Shut a while ago on a blog called "Wrong Way Wizard". The writer of the blog has a lot to say about some other Kubrick movies, and the info on EWS is a way inside the page, after his take on The Shining and 2001. He has some novel interpretations of the movie, such as that the older man at the party is a vampire, and he points to several clues that support this. He has quite a lot to say about the idea of Christmas as well. Altogether an interesting read.

Here's the link: _http://wrongwaywizard.blogspot.com/search/label/Stanley%20Kubrick
 
SonPleistarque said:
A mon sens, le sujet de EWS est la fascination.
premier principe, une femme fascinée par une icone, l'homme archétypal, force, sécurité, charme monolithique. les mêmes ingrédients que dans la série twilight

second principe, un homme en quête du mystère féminin, le secret des alcôves (la société secrète est une métaphore). inaccessible beauté masquée, dérobée puis soumise.

troisième, type indeterminé la scene avec Victor Ziegler , sexe brut, sans magnétisme possible, sauf animal.

Tout tourne autour de la superficialité.

Barry Lindon était sur le même sujet. l'esthétique du film est le point d'épure pour chaque principe, couleurs, ombres étudiée comme un tableau, une nature morte.

La dernière scène est un retour à l'enfant, à l'accomplissement.
C'est à la fois la fin et le début.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dacslOgrWZQ
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In my opinion, the subject of EWS is the fascination.
first principle, a woman fascinated by an icon, the archetypal man, strength, safety, charm monolithic. the same ingredients as in the twilight series

second principle, a man in search of feminine mystery, the secret alcoves (the secret society is a metaphor). unattainable beauty hidden, stolen and then submitted.

third, indeterminate type scene with Victor Ziegler, raw sex, without magnetism possible, except animal.

All about superficiality.

Barry Lyndon was on the same subject. the aesthetics of the film is the point blueprint for each principle, colors, shadows studied as a table, a still life.

The last scene is a return to the child, to completion.
It is both the end and the beginning.

What is this fascination men and women feel sometimes when presented with the recipient of their ideals? What brings men and women to this hypnotic state where everything is distorted due to obsession? I recall "bitter moon" as an example, also.
 
SonPleistarque said:
In my opinion, the subject of EWS is the fascination.
first principle, a woman fascinated by an icon, the archetypal man, strength, safety, charm monolithic. the same ingredients as in the twilight series

second principle, a man in search of feminine mystery, the secret alcoves (the secret society is a metaphor). unattainable beauty hidden, stolen and then submitted.

third, indeterminate type scene with Victor Ziegler, raw sex, without magnetism possible, except animal.

All about superficiality.

Barry Lyndon was on the same subject. the aesthetics of the film is the point blueprint for each principle, colors, shadows studied as a table, a still life.

The last scene is a return to the child, to completion.
It is both the end and the beginning.

Hello, SonPleistarque

I've noticed that you've not yet introduced yourself in the
Newbies section
. No personal information is necessary, just how you found the forum and what related material you might have read. Look forward to hearing from you soon over there, feel free to look around and see how others have done it. :)
 
At the time when i saw it i understood it as a descent into wonderland, when the character looses control over his interior life and gets lost. Maybe the couple could represent the masculine and feminine aspects of the individual during this "fall". Both fall into illusion and loose everything.
 
Navigator said:
What is this fascination men and women feel sometimes when presented with the recipient of their ideals? What brings men and women to this hypnotic state where everything is distorted due to obsession? I recall "bitter moon" as an example, also.

"Bitter moon" dircted by Roman Polanski, also called "lune de fiel" in french, pun with "miel : (honey)" and of course "lune de miel (honeymoon)", fiel is a term for gall synonym of the bitterness.
Movie talk about perversion and deviant relation, everyone knows how Roman P. is a pervert.
Is not a metaphorical movie, unlike to Stanley in his movies.
 
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