Facebook must die

Aside from using FB to spread news and share some alternative views (which is great because it the more of us questioning things and trying to get the truth out there makes it normal), it is a good opportunity to practice discernment and external consideration. Right off the bat you have to be mindful of what you share and setup that 'virtual' strategic enclosure (ie, knowing what to share, post, privacy settings). So granted it can be annoying at times (I too hate FB but saw the potential in promoting music so I made an account under a pseudonym) but even that can be dealt with and the site put to good use!
 
Facebook is just a tool. It is used against us but we can as well use it against them. When a new alternative will be available we can move on to continue the battle there.
 
Been reading the posts regarding Facebook. I really would like to close my personal account as a protest - not that I've done much with it save to use it to see FB stuff from a few family members and co-workers.

It's good to know that others here have found FB useful in getting out information to others about FOTCM, SOTT.net. and the BBM in general.

FWIW, I always thought my family and friends (mostly co-workers) would not be interested (probably horrified) by certain subjects I found interesting as many are fundamentalist Christians (or Jewish) who believe in the Bible, Israel's "right to exist" or the mainstream media's take on world events. I'm very confused as to what I should put up on FB, having been conscious of creating a strategic enclosure and not letting others in on my current thoughts about the world. I've always thought it's a waste of energy decorating my FB page with trivial, "look-at-me" photos and stuff...let alone posting an article that might rock my family and friend's way of thinking.

Reading some of these posts makes me rethink some of my positions above.

I have a gmail account with a calendar, docs, etc. that I find useful for personal and work use, even though I know Google is gleaning private info from it to try and sell me stuff...or worse. And yet I'm not getting rid of that medium anytime soon. Through gmail and Google docs, I've been able to send and insert some stories about Facebook problems, and other encroaching rights abuses for media and the photography industries into the show notes for a couple of A/V podcasts I produce. The hosts of the show have been very receptive...and are now sending me related stories!

So it looks as if using social media outlets that have privacy concerns in a thoughtful manner can be effective for getting out the truth and possibly waking up others to another viewpoint in the process.
 
I deleted mine. While the privacy issues are typical and annoying they were not the reason why I deleted mine. I hardly believe that by deleting my profile, I am going to effectively “stick it to the man” and change Facebook’s evail ways. It does give me a chuckle and satisfaction though to think that I am clogging their tech system by adding my request to have my account deleted. Neener neener Facebook!

It appears that I may have "gotten through" to a few of my friends by posting articles from SOTT and such with good responses so you guys have a few new readers :) With that being said, I have a tendency of putting other’s progression before my own when I have a HUGE amount of reading and learning to do. SHOTW is a fascinating but challenging read for me due to the science stuffs and the small print so I found myself Facebooking it up instead of digging into my homework :)

I think SOTT, Cassiopaea, FOTCM, EE and Laura having a Facebook page is very beneficial and productive but for me the majority of the friends on my page are deeply asleep so my time is better focused on learning as I am nowhere near where I need to be with the rest of the members of this forum.

I also found it highly distracting and a great tool for disassociation when I could be doing much more productive things with my time. MONKEY MIND.

When I deleted my page, I felt this HUGE release that felt very freeing.

I think RyanX made great points but I also resonate with what NormaRegula wrote too.
 
I ever wondered whether my decision to deactivate my FB-account was right... I somehow have the fear that I loose contact to people but on the other hand, loosing contanct to people only because I'm not anymore with FB could be an indicator for the quality of these people.
I deactivated my account about three months ago and I have to say that this fear wasn't justified. In the contrary so to say, I got more in contact with myself and with that many of my relations gained more depth.
It's actually a very good thing for my that I quit because my normal day with FB looked like that:
Checking in several times a day playing Mafia Wars and reading the nonsense other people posted, like having cleaned up their flat or going to the supermarket. Or user joining groups I would be ashamed of when other people would know that.
Well I start to complain :)

To put it in a nutshell, today is the 31. Mai so I took the step to delete it completely. :D
Cheers ;)
Paradigma
 
I don't use facebook because I have never felt a need to do so. All the people I really want to keep in touch with are either around me already or I can contact them through other devices such as e-mails,the phone or instant messaging. So far I've had the impression that facebook is not only a killer of privacy but also very time-consuming. I also tend to think that whatever benefit it has can be brought by some other tool. After all, it isn't the only way to share articles and if people are really interested in the things that may be shared, they might be already looking for that information and that will be revealed if there is some kind of communication going on. I have some friends, but unfortunately no family member, with whom I share some of the information I get here,in SOTT or the books I'm reading and most of the time I can do that when we communicate face-to-face or through IM and I think that is also a safe way to share things in terms of strategic enclosure because I can choose what to share with whom and to what extent. So, I can't think of FB as a kind of double-edged sword or indispensible -even for a certain period of time- in any way.
 
hnd said:
I don't use facebook because I have never felt a need to do so.

Exactly hnd.

And, maybe even more important, I am not interested in living the marketeers wet dream. They probably benefit most from the 'social network business'.
 
For me personally FB was a waste of time. None of the people cared about Laura's work or what this forum had to offer. So, those people that I knew will have to find their own way to free themselves from this illusion. I just looked to them like a freak, which I don't mind being labled as one because being that freak has benefited me in ways that I could have never imagined. But, for many of you, it seems that the people you know are more open minded and therefore FB is the way to go to spread the knowledge. I wish I was lucky enought to know such open minded and truth thirsty people like many of you have in your lives.
 
Mona said:
For me personally FB was a waste of time. None of the people cared about Laura's work or what this forum had to offer. So, those people that I knew will have to find their own way to free themselves from this illusion. I just looked to them like a freak, which I don't mind being labled as one because being that freak has benefited me in ways that I could have never imagined. But, for many of you, it seems that the people you know are more open minded and therefore FB is the way to go to spread the knowledge. I wish I was lucky enought to know such open minded and truth thirsty people like many of you have in your lives.

In my opinion every little comment, shared link and invitation helps to contribute to a form of social proof which goes against the current situation. As things are, the powerful force of social proof is preventing people from considering perfectly logical, reasonable and often obvious conclusions. This is why sick and pathological things are seen as admirable and refusing to follow them makes you a 'freak', as you say. If more people are drawing attention to other possibilities then not only will these possibilities reach more people but they will carry more weight when they do so.
 
Hi guys,

I just wrote something at work that comments on social networking in general as the perceived "be all and end all" that I thought some might find interesting.

Corporate Communications and the Illusion of Social Networking
Many feel we need to be on each and every social networking platform, but nobody can prove that it actually shows a net gain in message uptake or conversion to action over the traditional web channel.

There is a powerful illusion regarding social networking (and new and emerging communications technologies in general) that needs to be addressed. It goes something like this:
- Participation on social networking platforms is essential to the successful distribution and promotion of information beyond the traditional website;
- The cost of social networking is so small that it doesn't require cost/benefit analysis;
- Non-participation means important audience segments are left out of communications efforts;
- Agencies that participate in social networking platforms are seen to be "with it" and those who do not are "missing the boat".

A few things to consider …
The number of social networking platforms is directly proportional to the amount of effort required to communicate on them. As the number of social networking platforms grow, so does the amount of energy needed to participate on them. This has real costs, in terms of both the time directed at communications for the social networking channel as well as the time taken away from the traditional channels.

As well, the number of voices on a given social networking platform is indirectly proportional to how well a voice will be heard. The more voices speaking, the more one must raise their voice to be heard. What is true for a crowded bulletin board on a lunch room wall is equally true for the social media platform - to be seen in a crowd, more energy is required to stand out. As more realize this and try to stand out, even further energy is needed to invent creative solutions to draw attention toward a message. The energy needs are therefore ever increasing.

It could be that social networking platforms actually cause a duplication of effort that only dilutes success in messaging. An entire industry has grown to help companies and governments make better use of social networking, often at the expense of focusing on current web channels.

People still use search engines and directories as their primary source to find information and Google is the most popular by far. In fact, the majority of users come to a corporate website through a Google query. If people need to find information, they will search for it. Therefore, all a website owner needs to do is ensure their content is accessible and optimized for search engines to crawl and index. Of course, it had better be relevant, up to date and accurate as well, otherwise a first visit may be the last visit.

The website is the only channel where an agency has total control on the signal to noise ratio. It can constantly be tweaked to increase focus on a given message.

Traditional methods
It is interesting to see the constantly growing perception that an agency must participate in social networking. But if the intent is to increase an agency's ability to reach its audiences, where are the calls to explore the more traditional marketing approaches that are known to have an impact on increased outreach, uptake and conversions?

For example, it is known that efforts directed at forging relationships with other related websites and offering cross promotion through exchanging links translates into increased traffic to a website and overall audience awareness of the website's presence.

If outreach and promotion are the driving force behind the perceived need to get onboard with social networking, then there is enough scientific evidence that traditional avenues need to first be exhausted before investments should be made in a new direction.

Traditional methods include, but are not limited to Search Engine Optimisation (SEO), web usability and user acceptance testing to ensure efficient user task completion and information uptake, enhancing the User Experience (UX), enriched dynamic content, content management and continuous improvement, direct marketing, indirect marketing, content sharing and syndication, outreach and education.

When applied to the current web channel, these methods have the ability to yield even higher returns than spreading one's energy out across multiple channels and platforms.

As well, if a business needs assessment indicates a requirement for dialogue or bidirectional communications with audiences, then the most appropriate environment to host such activities is within the sphere of control of an agency's dedicated web space. After all, that is where the content is.


Thanks,
Gonzo
 
Actually there's a war of information on facebook after Israëli attack on the aid ships. I got many arguments with zionist propagandists (sometimes arguing with as many as five persons (they ask for help when you ridicule their arguments)) in the last months but now it is a full scale confrontation of information/disinformation. Sadly most of people go into name-calling but one can see that it triggered a lot of energy, for now at least.
 
Diaspora update

Diaspora released their Developer's source code on Sept. 15th. I remembered the media saying more and more that Facebook isn't "cool" anymore. http://industrypace.com/frontpage/2010/7/22/facebook-losing-key-demographic-of-18-35-year-olds.html

So, I looked into Diaspora a bit and found that the "4 geeks" who founded it were initially having trouble getting funding, until a Fairy Godmother dropped some cash into their laps.

The Diaspora team originally raised the $10,000 needed to quit their jobs and begin work on the site in just 12 days through capital-raising site Kickstart.

In six months, that $10,000 grew to more than $200,000 and free workspace and advice at Pivotal Laboratories in Silicon Valley.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/news/diaspora-teams-sets-october-launch-date-as-interest-grows-in-anti-facebook/story-e6frg2qu-1225912231428

Pivotal Labs...
Pivotal Labs, a quiet but impressive group of big-gun, for-hire developers that already counts business software company SalesForce and a long list of startups as clients.

Also of note is that Pivotal Labs qualifies its client list with this phrase: “There are more startups that are in stealth mode, and larger clients that are a little shy about us mentioning their names.” It’d be interesting to know who else privately counts Pivotal as clients. Let us know, in the comments.
http://venturebeat.com/2008/06/12/messaging-service-twitter-hires-top-developer-firm-pivotal-labs-to-help-rebuild-its-software-architecture/

I'm always suspicious now, when the MSM is saying something isn't cool, implying that the PTB -want- us to change away from what we're using. At the same time, a new option becomes available, funded by a group of for-hire developers....
 
The Dark Side of Facebook

Facebook Deleted the Holly Grieg Group

http://www.holliedemandsjustice.org/facebook-group-disappearing-and-other-issues

Facebook Group disappearing and other issues
Posted Wed, 04/28/2010 - 12:05 by Anthony

It is evident that the powers that be are intent on going to any lengths to scupper the wider Hollie Greig campaign. Whether that be by radio interviews that attempt to cast doubt on various aspects of the case, or Facebook Groups being apparently pulled without any good reason, there are no lengths the authorities will go to to derail the anti-paedophilia express train that has been heading in their direction for some considerable time.

With the main Facebook Group ("We won't allow the state to cover up the Hollie Greig paedophile scandal") vanishing into thin air today, it is clear that the state are indeed doing everything in their power to cover up Hollie's case and the wider issues of child abuse and paedophilia that her case so patently highlights. The question now remains: WHO ordered its removal and WHY?

Pabs' decision to leave Facebook is a mere coincidence and frustrations and anger should not be directed towards him or James. Pabs is NOT the enemy and he does not deserve the unfounded criticism that has been levelled against him over recent weeks - he is one of life's good guys and doesn't deserve such bile being spewed forth towards him.

I created a Group in 2008 (re anti-violence against women and girls), which accumulated a few thousand members and it was not an easy thing to control and appease those who decided to quarrel, criticise and disrupt the overal aims and objectives laid down for members to follow. I personally wish Pabs and James well and thank them both for setting up the main Facebook Group over the weekend of Robert Green's bogus arrest in February and for all they tried to do to highlight Hollie's case and the wider issue of establishment corruption and the evil of paedophilia that still exists in our midst today.

There are many other Facebook Groups which have been set up to highlight Hollie's case (now accumulating c.10,000 members altogether) and people should perhaps consider joining those if they have not already done so.

Meanwhile, we will continue to endeavour to post any significant updates on Hollie's case, Robert Green's attempts to win the seat of Aberdeen South next Thursday, and various wider related issues concerning injustice in Scotland (and elsewhere) that sadly still goes on today. We will not, however, get bogged down in any public spats or disagreements here on Facebook and anyone who wants to challenge us can do it privately by email or, preferably, by phone.

We wish you all well and thank you for all your efforts in trying your very best to support and highlight Hollie's case over the past few months - and to rightly condemn the abomination that is child abuse and paedophilia.

Best wishes,

Tom
Edinburgh
 
I wonder what evidence this person has to confidently blame TPTB for taking down the FB page. While I wouldn't be surprised to find powerful influences behind the page's removal, unfounded or unsupported accusations are a favorite trap of TPTB. All they need to do is set up a situation when a coincidence occurs, wait for the unfounded accusations, prove they had nothing to do with it and down goes the accuser's credibility.

In fact, if I were powerful and wanted to create anger to feed my reptilian overlords, I would look for groups that are critical of government, the military industrial complex, spy agencies or big business. Then, I would quietly hack into their systems and take down their website or social networking page. Then I'd grab some relaxing beverage and sit back and watch the blame game erupt.

Regarding Facebook, I am surprised how many people are unaware of this nefarious beast's origins and objectives.

It is a platform created to lure people in as a method of tracking behaviour patterns and create pattern profiles for each account, matched against the user's email address.

These profiles then get analyzed and sold of to advertising think tanks. We're not sure what happens with the email addresses.

Eventually this data will get matched some day against real life information, like a person's real name, their home address, their VISA card number, etc.

It's not identity theft because people are giving it away. But they do so in drips and drabs each time they use the internet. Over the course of a few years, the detailed information they possess is simply amazing.

Many users have registered with FB using their true identity. Those who used pseudonyms will eventually be tracked to ecommerce sites, like Amazon, for example, where they will use their credit card. The only thing preventing FB from knowing these users' true identities is access to the records at the ecommerce sites. As companies buy other companies, eventually that divide will be bridged and FB will know the personal and financial details of virtually every member of their network.

Then they will know:
- each user's interests, political leanings and other information one could discern by reading a user's FB posts;
- the user's circle of friends and colleagues on FB, what they discuss and how often;
- the purchases the user makes online (the more ecommerce websites partner and share, the more they will collectively know about a user's
spending habits);
- what the user reads, shares, downloads, etc., across parts of the Internet (the more websites and Internet Service Providers partner and share, the more they will collectively know about a user's
Internet habits).

Eventually it will be hard to remain anonymous on one website unless you are anonymous on all websites.

I don't think I'm being paranoid, am I?

Gonzo

Gonzo
 
Personally, I hate FB as well. The only thing that keeps me on it is the fact that I have contact with my family in Iran through it, and I found several friends from my childhood that I lost contact with once I moved to Canada. And of course you guys.. :P

I don't know much about the privacy stuff, but... I thought pictures and information you put on FB is stored in a database? So Whether you delete your account now or not, does it really matter? They already have your info on file if you ever had an account. I have to read more about Diaspora but it sounds like it's going to take out FB, just like FB took out MySpace.

Another thing that comes to mind is so what if FB has your info? I mean.. the PTB are a lot bigger than FB goes, and if they wanted your info they would get it one way or another- it is the big brother age after all.
 

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