Given the lack of a picture of Crooks head from another angle (at our disposal), just from that photo we have, I think you both are probably right: The entry and exit direction is more likely to be the other way around.
Failed Trump Assassination Attempt
- Thread starter Tristan
- Start date
Given the lack of a picture of Crooks head from another angle (at our disposal), just from that photo we have, I think you both are probably right: The entry and exit direction is more likely to be the other way around.
Benjamin
The Living Force
I don't know why, but this version of the video has better resolution. And what do you know. Windows #2 and #4 are WIDE open!
Keep in mind that it was fairly warm/hot summer day with the sun shining and that Crooks head was laying on top of that roof (which is mostly metal, covered with something else?). Therefore I think it is reasonable to assume that that roof radiated quite a lot of heat on top of the summer temperatures and the sun shining down. So, IMO, the time for blood to dry under those circumstances is probably a lot less then the mentioned hour.
Yeah that new video of Crooks (also brought up earlier by Niall) seems to not only show that Crooks was killed by the last audible shot but that he looked back (and not towards the rally) shortly before the shot that killed him. We miss split seconds though, between him looking back and the shot that killed him: Therefore, we can’t be 100 percent certain that he didn’t move his head further in either direction before the bullet hit him.
@WhiteMountain posted the following, and had remembered it, yet was it ever commented on further? Where did the photo originate from?
Had forgotten this from Bongino, a doable shot, and it would by quite from the perspective of people and microphones. Did it ever get answered? Where did the photo come from and why did Bongino have it? Don't remember it being discussed elsewhere, yet could be wrong.
With the new apparent evidence and speculation of where in the head Crooks was shot, that brings up questions again.
If one hypothesis is that Crooks was handled into the building by a team, brought upstairs and let out the window to access the roof where he died, what was the game of the team?
1. Do they want Crooks to take all 8 shots? If so, would they also be set up to shoot a portion of them, as Joe said, as a cue for Crooks?
Suppose in a scenario like this, this team might be acting as a backup plan, and they are there to lead him out and take him out if the snipers can't. They may also be doing some of the shooting - like the 1,2,3 shots, the real attempted kill shot(s)?
2. Or do they want Crooks only to appear to take all 8 shots? (which presumes they did the shooting?) Why bother?
That is back to other avenues.
Recall that the police on the ground seemed concerned with the back building, was that because the shots seemed to come from there and not where crooks was? If that has validity, #2 seems might be more in line?
Before Crooks is taken out (say it is by this 10th shot) and Crooks knew the team was doing the real shooting behind him, because they had handled him out to the roof (or were doing part of the shooting), did he then raise his head to look back at the window, at the team, and was taken out by a sniper such as the one below and not the ones over by Trump (assuming he was not shot from behind which is still possible)? He might have been looking over his left shoulder back at the window.
Anyway, something dirty seems to have taken place inside the one building, and it may be that their are local police there who don't like what they have seen, ant that may be tricky for them. Whatever the case, there are many variables and it may get further refined or never answered, other than something rotten took place in Bethel Park
Vintage:
By the way, I was initially pretty skeptical (for many reason) about the idea that we can say much with any certainty about the shots via how they sound on the various videos. Later I was reconsidering it because of one video and thought it might be possible. But after now having heard and read about many more analysis of the gun shot sounds from various people, many of them coming to VERY different conclusions, I’m coming back to my initial skeptical stance about that approach. Even the sounds of shots near Crooks building seem to vary a lot from video to video. The behavior of sound waves in relation to where you hear/record them is a very complex thing IMO which leaves a lot of room for errors. Yes, as has been tried here and elsewhere, trying to compare various different videos in relation to where they were recorded might give us a closer approximation, but even there, I‘m starting to get quite skeptical: about the idea that we can say much with certainty there.
Forgot to add two things.
1. This is Crooks's parents. As said above elsewhere, both in psychological health. You can read here:
www.ablechild.org
2. The Coroner is "Butler County Coroner William F. Young III" who has still not said anything (this is behind a paywall):
www.butlereagle.com
1. This is Crooks's parents. As said above elsewhere, both in psychological health. You can read here:
FBI Giving Special Treatment to Crooks’ Mental Health “Expert” Parents - AbleChild
July 31, 2024 VIDEO: “I GOTTA PEE” It’s no surprise that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) seems to have ignored the glaring mental health component within the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump and the murder and injuries of Trump rally attendees, considering its...
www.ablechild.org
2. The Coroner is "Butler County Coroner William F. Young III" who has still not said anything (this is behind a paywall):
Butler County coroner evaluates Saturday’s shooting victim, shooter
Butler County Coroner William F. Young III was unable to attend the campaign rally for former President Donald Trump on Saturday, July 13, because of other engagements, but he found himself at the But...
What I tried to get across in the above can probably better visualized/understood with an experiment anyone can do easily at home:
Use a flat plane, for example, a table. Now place your head sideways on the table. Like you can see here, with the same head position like in the picture, BUT at the other end portion of the table. Try to not move your head in any direction (x,y or z axis). In other words, keep your head steadily at the same position in regards to the flat plane of the table as best as you can. Now, look ahead over the edge of the end of the table and pick any distinctive distant point away from the table and look at it. That point in the distance can be on the same plane as the table, below it or even above it.
Now, first, close that eye that is closest to the table and look at the point in the distance with only the other eye that is farther away from the table. Observe exactly where the point in the distance is in relation to the flat plane of the table. Keep steady focus on that point in the distance. Now switch eyes and look exactly at the same point in the distance with only the eye that is lowest to the table. In other words; Only with the other eye. What do you see? The flat plane of the table significantly changes its percieved position in relation to the point in the distance. Maybe so much so, that even at that point, the point in the distance disappears behind the horizon of the table plane. Next, keep looking at that point in the distance with only that lower eye and move your body with your head backwards in the other direction of the table (while keeping your head position relative to the table plane as similar as possible as before). What do you see? The farther you go back with your eye on the table the farther down behind the table plane/horizon the point in the distance disappears. You can‘t aim at something you can’t see. Now think of the table plane as the plane of the roof that Crooks was on, extending backwards, pretty much unchanged, over at least the two buildings/roofs with a similar height behind Crooks building.
Now look at the three sequential pictures above again and pay close attention to the Trump screen in the background. You see the same phenomena as in the experiment. That is why I said I can only imagine someone shooting from that roof behind crooks, if the shooter stands up straight while triggering the bullet.
Last edited:
I think that could be the case, which would align with the claim of the sniper that he could only see the forehead and eyebrow.
Well, looks like the whole thing is more in line with the official story, albeit with a few glaring problems.
That the 1st and 2nd windows are open is consistent with the information that local police sniper teams were in there. More interesting is the 3rd window, which officially had no such teams in there. It could be the case that there was a secret SS team in there and they may have fired the first 3 shots at Trump. Or it could have been Crooks. It may be the case that the only part played by a 'secret team" was to facilitate Crooks' access to the building and roof.
Or was it simply given to him as he passed through the 2-storey building after being let in at this door (#13) by the agent who "went downstairs to see where Crooks went to then got locked out because - oops! - he forgot his access key"?
This 'uncertainty' seems farcical to me. Is it or is it not a collapsible stock? Why any doubt at this stage? You've had 3 weeks to examine it!
Very interesting tidbit.
(When you find interesting tidbits, please include them here!)
From this article:
The above-linked article also says that Crooks had a job, a house, and met weekly with a community college math book club. Female acquaintances described him as “sweet,” and everyone agreed he was “intelligent.” And he was six weeks away from starting college at Robert Morris University in Pittsburgh.
His 'faux profile' in the following clip is clearly said in jest, and it's a joke he's sharing with school classmates:
Thomas Crooks was messed with, not messed up.
Last edited:
