Fecundity

[Nienna]

Hi vivi,

Maybe it would be good for you to read over the forum guidelines, if you have not done so. And if you have, maybe a reread of them is in order for you to understand just what this forum is about.

Then you can decide if this is really a forum you want to be a part of.

 

[vivi]

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and... i wanted to put some light on your reactions, if this forum working as a mirror attempting to prevent from inner predator, could you please look back at your post and tell me if your reaction was truly coming from you as a totality or you as sentinel who had detected an anomaly in the closed system/scene of your forum? I explain, it's like if we were in a circus (it's an image), and suddenly a Clown appears to make his show, unfortunately, he miss his trick and acting as a "bug", then some people in the public stand up and say "HEY, what are you doing, it's not like that in OUR world, we have rules...". Well, are those rules really here to help you to develop your own level of consciousness as we could describe each human as a quaternary, or are they only made to delimitate your own field of consciousness because u still need that someone think for you? I would choose the second proposition, otherwise, you would be able to recognize the main symbolism which is represented in this composition, which is one of the major and highest symbol of these last 6000 years...eternal and immutable substance dressed with a 2010 form, and you would be able to see it as clearly as you could definite yourself as little meteorite rotating around a biggest one. To take a simple example, when Vulcan answered to me, it wasn't his answer, it wasn't even his system of answer, because i can easily linked that type of answer/form to the copy/paste that Laura does in her books. And this process (the relation between the forum and Laura) is more transparent if u compare it to the organization of a brain, a major neuronal connexion is established as a "go back to it", then it's growing up and create around him thousand of ramification and then take a lot of place in the brain, which identity this system as a "go back to it, spiritual food is good for you, only if u can establish logical connexion in your brain", we can visualize that if we consider that the earth is a single person. I was expecting people who were able to do they own objective/personal answer, but unfortunately, you only had reaction like if i came in a hive and the little bees felt me as an "unknown equation", so they throw me their rules as an answer/exit door because they were scared that i'll disturb the little inner organization/their beliefs and also playin on the scene/forum as to show they true fidelity to the queen ( I respect that). Don't u think i came here and showed this canvas for more than a simple self-recognization, and don't u think that if u detected that in me, it's maybe because it's the reason why you here, the number of posts you have is comparable to the number of time you rotated around Laura trying to get closer from here, also a reflect of how much u want to give a logical meaning to your life/existence and how much you care about your little Avatar/image/ego as coherent automaton/mechanical behaviour, and trust me, more u're closed of the central planet, less u are objective. It's funny because Vulcan told me exactly what i wanted to see, but it wasn't his own answer, in fact i'm really interested by Boris Mouravieff. The fact that u need to be a part of a community is the first step of individuation, and it's good for you, but the hardest step is to become completely alone with what Boris Mouravieff describes as "In other words, these symbols are messages intended for those in search of the Truth. They are transmitted from a higher world to the world here below, and not from man to man", then of course when u're allowed to receive that kind of message, u're alone on your way as free meteorite or neuron connected to the source, as a real tree of life, taking his roots in the deep stomach of mother earth, and at that point of consciousness even if u're alone you're connected with the entire world and universe, and not only with a small secret society with who you share some knowledge. Create your own mandala, and don't be scared to do some mistake at the beginning, we're human after all. You claim that you rejected human behavior as an mechanical/automaton, but u all answered me as clones !? What a Neo Platonism evidence, do you follow me ? At the moment u stop and fix your thought on a system that u consider as logical and accessible on which you can hang with and adapt your everyday life, you automatically fall in the pattern of the matrix, for real!

 

[vivi]

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and... i wanted to put some light on your reactions, if this forum working as a mirror attempting to prevent from inner predator, could you please look back at your post and tell me if your reaction was truly coming from you as a totality or you as sentinel who had detected an anomaly in the closed system/scene of your forum? I explain, it's like if we were in a circus (it's an image), and suddenly a Clown appears to make his show, unfortunately, he miss his trick and acting as a "bug", then some people in the public stand up and say "HEY, what are you doing, it's not like that in OUR world, we have rules...". Well, are those rules really here to help you to develop your own level of consciousness as we could describe each human as a quaternary, or are they only made to delimitate your own field of consciousness because u still need that someone think for you? I would choose the second proposition, otherwise, you would be able to recognize the main symbolism which is represented in this composition, which is one of the major and highest symbol of these last 6000 years...eternal and immutable substance dressed with a 2010 form, and you would be able to see it as clearly as you could definite yourself as little meteorite rotating around a biggest one. To take a simple example, when Vulcan answered to me, it wasn't his answer, it wasn't even his system of answer, because i can easily linked that type of answer/form to the copy/paste that Laura does in her books. And this process (the relation between the forum and Laura) is more transparent if u compare it to the organization of a brain, a major neuronal connexion is established as a "go back to it", then it's growing up and create around him thousand of ramification and then take a lot of place in the brain, which identity this system as a "go back to it, spiritual food is good for you, only if u can establish logical connexion in your brain", we can visualize that if we consider that the earth is a single person. I was expecting people who were able to do they own objective/personal answer, but unfortunately, you only had reaction like if i came in a hive and the little bees felt me as an "unknown equation", so they throw me their rules as an answer/exit door because they were scared that i'll disturb the little inner organization/their beliefs and also playin on the scene/forum as to show they true fidelity to the queen ( I respect that). Don't u think i came here and showed this canvas for more than a simple self-recognization, and don't u think that if u detected that in me, it's maybe because it's the reason why you here, the number of posts you have is comparable to the number of time you rotated around Laura trying to get closer from here, also a reflect of how much u want to give a logical meaning to your life/existence and how much you care about your little Avatar/image/ego as coherent automaton/mechanical behaviour, and trust me, more u're closed of the central planet, less u are objective. It's funny because Vulcan told me exactly what i wanted to see, but it wasn't his own answer, in fact i'm really interested by Boris Mouravieff. The fact that u need to be a part of a community is the first step of individuation, and it's good for you, but the hardest step is to become completely alone with what Boris Mouravieff describes as "In other words, these symbols are messages intended for those in search of the Truth. They are transmitted from a higher world to the world here below, and not from man to man", then of course when u're allowed to receive that kind of message, u're alone on your way as free meteorite or neuron connected to the source, as a real tree of life, taking his roots in the deep stomach of mother earth, and at that point of consciousness even if u're alone you're connected with the entire world and universe, and not only with a small secret society with who you share some knowledge. Create your own mandala, and don't be scared to do some mistake at the beginning, we're human after all. You claim that you rejected human behavior as an mechanical/automaton, but u all answered me as clones !? What a Neo Platonism evidence, do you follow me ? At the moment u stop and fix your thought on a system that u consider as logical and accessible on which you can hang with and adapt your everyday life, you automatically fall in the pattern of the matrix, for real! Well, i have love to share :)

 

[Gimpy]

Ya know what vivi? I'm thinking you came here with an agenda, and at this point I don't really care what it is.

Your last post is basically word salad....written without any consideration for other people's ability to read it, and it basically sounds like a whine...we didn't see anything fantastic or stroke your ego, and you don't like that.

That isn't what we do here, and I think you've wandered into the wrong bar.

 

[vivi]

the fact that u have to show that you reject it show that u accept it even if u disagree

 

[Buddy]

Hi vivi. Perhaps if you had shown some patience maybe someone would have come along with the correct answer and made you happy. Or maybe the ones who could see your hidden image would also have been the ones who would wait to see what develops from your "test."

It seems you couldn't wait. Your own lack of self-discipline combined with your compulsion caused you to jump the gun and reveal your agenda/strategy.

Perhaps if you had the awareness to realize that your approach might have been appropriate in a public place, but this is the public "lobby", so-to-speak, of someone's "house" and you have walked in teaching already. Surely, if the student were really ready to teach, he wouldn't have made these mistakes?

Would you care to share with us how the Fourth Way Work (or any other 'Work') has benefited you and how it has improved your life? If you can't answer that, it's alright because work on the self is what we do here and everyone is at a different place but at least there is work going on. All you need to start is as much sincerity as you can muster. :)

 

[vivi]

ah ok, but which agenda are u talking about ?

 

[Buddy]

This one:

...or are they only made to delimitate your own field of consciousness because u still need that someone think for you? I would choose the second proposition, otherwise, you would be able to recognize the main symbolism which is represented in this composition...

...where you want to try and show others that they are merely followers who cannot do their own thinking.

 

[vivi]

I'm really happy because i do not have any strategy and my english is really bad :), i'm still in a learning way and i know i have thousand things to discover. this answer was just a training, and sometime it's true that acting with patience is difficult, anyway I still want to meet interesting people :)

 

[Hesper]

To take a simple example, when Vulcan answered to me, it wasn't his answer, it wasn't even his system of answer, because i can easily linked that type of answer/form to the copy/paste that Laura does in her books.

Hi vivi

It seems to me like maybe you did not really try to understand Vulcan's reply.

I was expecting people who were able to do they own objective/personal answer

You see, that's exactly what I see when I read Vulcan's reply. He's taking a work of knowledge that is well accepted by the group as close to Truth and using that as the basis of his observation rather than his own subjective interpretation of your work.

but unfortunately, you only had reaction like if i came in a hive and the little bees felt me as an "unknown equation", so they throw me their rules as an answer/exit door because they were scared that i'll disturb the little inner organization/their beliefs and also playin on the scene/forum as to show they true fidelity to the queen ( I respect that)

That is a pretty good analogy. Imagine if someone came into a group of yours and, without an invitation, decided to "play a game" and then, when people didn't play it as was expected, decided to pick a fight.

i'm still in a learning way and i know i have thousand things to discover.

Totally! Good luck.

 

[anart]

I'm really happy because i do not have any strategy and my english is really bad :), i'm still in a learning way and i know i have thousand things to discover. this answer was just a training, and sometime it's true that acting with patience is difficult, anyway I still want to meet interesting people :)

Hi vivi, this forum is not for 'meeting interesting people'. This forum is a very specific type of forum. It is an esoteric research forum. If you are interested in 'meeting interesting people', then there are many thousands of forums out there where you can spend your time.

Please understand that further 'noise' on your part will result in the revocation of your posting privileges. You have already been directed to read the forum guidelines and have been asked to please get up to speed on the material covered here, as in the Wave Series. At this point, it appears that you are not interested in participating sincerely on this forum, so, again, your time will likely be better spent elsewhere.

 

[Laura]

This forum doesn't exist "to meet interesting people." Re-read the guidelines.

I notice you object to my quoting other authors to whom I wish to give the credit for their ideas and the fact that I freely admit that I am not an expert, rather I am a synthetist and need the help of others to do what I do best: figure out how things fit together. I also notice something else interesting about your writing that can't be faulted to poor English: barely concealed contempt and paramoralistic suggestion. So, I guess I'm going to irritate you some more and quote another expert, clinical psychologist, Andrew Lobaczewski:

Paranoid character disorders: It is characteristic of paranoid behavior for people to be capable of relatively correct reasoning and discussion as long as the conversation involves minor differences of opinion. This stops abruptly when the partner’s arguments begin to undermine their overvalued ideas, crush their long-held stereotypes of reasoning, or force them to accept a conclusion they had subconsciously rejected before. Such a stimulus unleashes upon the partner a torrent of pseudo-logical, largely paramoralistic, often insulting utterances which always contain some degree of suggestion. ...

We know today that the psychological mechanism of paranoid phenomena is twofold: one is caused by damage to the brain tissue, the other is functional or behavioral. Within the above-mentioned process of rehabilitation, any brain-tissue lesion causes a certain degree of loosening of accurate thinking and, as a consequence, of the personality structure.

Most typical are those cases caused by an aggression in the diencephalon by various pathological factors, resulting in its permanently decreased tonal ability, and similarly of the tonus of inhibition in the brain cortex. Particularly during sleepless nights, runaway thoughts give rise to a paranoid changed view of human reality, as well as to ideas which can be either gently naive or violently revolutionary. Let us call this kind paranoid characteropathy.

In persons free of brain-tissue lesions, such phenomena most frequently occur as a result of being reared by people with paranoid characteropathia, along with the psychological terror of their childhood. Such psychological material is then assimilated creating the rigid stereotypes of abnormal experiencing. This makes it difficult for thought and world-view to develop normally, and the terror-blocked contents become transformed into permanent, functional, congestive centers. {...}

Paramoralisms: The conviction that moral values exist and that some actions violate moral rules is so common and ancient a phenomenon that it seems to have some substratum at man’s instinctive endowment level (although it is certainly not totally adequate for moral truth), and that it does not only represent centuries’ worth of experience, culture, religion, and socialization. Thus, any insinuation closed in moral slogans is always suggestive, even if the “moral” criteria used are just an “ad hoc” invention. Any act can thus be proved to be immoral or morally proper by means of such paramoralisms through active suggestion, and people whose minds will succumb to such reasoning can always be found. ...

Paramoralistic statements and suggestions so often accompany various kinds of evil that they seem quite irreplaceable. Unfortunately, it has become a frequent phenomenon for individuals, oppressive groups, or patho-political systems to invent ever-new moral criteria for someone’s convenience. ...

The conversive features in the genesis of paramoralisms seem to prove they are derived from mostly subconscious rejection (and repression from the field of consciousness) of something completely different, which we call the voice of conscience. ...

Like all conversive phenomena, the tendency to use paramoralisms is psychologically contagious. That explains why we observe it among people raised by individuals in whom it was developed alongside pathological factors. ...

This may be a good place to reflect that true moral law is born and exists independently of our judgments in this regard, and even of our ability to recognize it. Thus, the attitude required for such understanding is scientific, not creative: we must humbly subordinate our mind to the apprehended reality. That is when we discover the truth about man, both his weaknesses and values, which shows us what is decent and proper with respect to other people and other societies.

Now, lest you wonder what I intend by quoting the above passage, let me make it clear that your long, rambling post WAS useful...

 

[vivi]

I'm really happyyyyyyyyy, hello Laura, how are u ? Ok now i'm happy for real, i'm completely absorbed by your book the secret history and i hope i will find some more material and continue to discover all the mechanism of the matrix :)

I love u

 

[NormaRegula]

I was expecting people who were able to do they own objective/personal answer, but unfortunately, you only had reaction like if i came in a hive and the little bees felt me as an "unknown equation", so they throw me their rules as an answer/exit door because they were scared that i'll disturb the little inner organization/their beliefs and also playin on the scene/forum as to show they true fidelity to the queen. (I respect that).

Vivi, you are still not extending external consideration to this forum. You claim art is subjective, yet you demand objective/personal answers from members here in reference to your art.

You claim that some members of this forum are scared that you'll "disturb the little inner organization/their beliefs and also playin on the scene/forum as to show they true fidelity to the queen."?

That is your assumption, Vivi.

You would do well to read over the forum rules per Nienna Eluch's suggestion. It might also help you to carefully read every post you have submitted - and think of these as written by someone else - who has entered a forum, was welcomed, and then proceeded to break the rules under the guise of a "little game." A game that has thus far consisted of a dismissive attitude towards simple requests for more data (that are part and parcel of the aims of this forum), yet demanding answers and making claims about the intent of this forum in a manipulative manner because they did not get the reactions they had anticipated.


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Missed this while I was posting:

I'm really happyyyyyyyyy, hello Laura, how are u ? Ok now i'm happy for real, i'm completely absorbed by your book the secret history and i hope i will find some more material and continue to discover all the mechanism of the matrix

I love u

Sigh. Now I know why you put "I respect that" in the first quote of yours above. You really do not understand the aims of this forum.

 

[vivi]

I was expecting people who were able to do they own objective/personal answer, but unfortunately, you only had reaction like if i came in a hive and the little bees felt me as an "unknown equation", so they throw me their rules as an answer/exit door because they were scared that i'll disturb the little inner organization/their beliefs and also playin on the scene/forum as to show they true fidelity to the queen. (I respect that).

Vivi, you are still not extending external consideration to this forum. You claim art is subjective, yet you demand objective/personal answers from members here in reference to your art.

You claim that some members of this forum are scared that you'll "disturb the little inner organization/their beliefs and also playin on the scene/forum as to show they true fidelity to the queen."?

That is your assumption, Vivi.

You would do well to read over the forum rules per Nienna Eluch's suggestion. It might also help you to carefully read every post you have submitted - and think of these as written by someone else - who has entered a forum, was welcomed, and then proceeded to break the rules under the guise of a "little game." A game that has thus far consisted of a dismissive attitude towards simple requests for more data (that are part and parcel of the aims of this forum), yet demanding answers and making claims about the intent of this forum in a manipulative manner because they did not get the reactions they had anticipated.


Updated:

Missed this while I was posting:

I'm really happyyyyyyyyy, hello Laura, how are u ? Ok now i'm happy for real, i'm completely absorbed by your book the secret history and i hope i will find some more material and continue to discover all the mechanism of the matrix

I love u

Sigh. Now I know why you put "I respect that" in the quote of yours above. You really do not understand the aims of this forum.

Am i a bug, or i am just stupid kid ?