Shinzenbi said:
This scene from V for Vendetta may help
In short, burying them in the pantheon would 'canonise' the memory, create a point of focus for a shared social memory (based on the fear) from which all actions can then be leveraged.
France - Charlie Hebdo Attack
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This scene from V for Vendetta may help
In short, burying them in the pantheon would 'canonise' the memory, create a point of focus for a shared social memory (based on the fear) from which all actions can then be leveraged.
RedFox said:
It also reminds me of this from Ponerology:
The thing is though, Lobaczweski was describing military soldiers. Ponerology needs to be updated to incorporate modern 'asymmetrical' warfare, where both the "obstinate well-armed foe" and the "human power" are drawn from the same pool of normal people, and are manipulated into playing their proxy roles in the pathocrats' war against the people.
Shinzenbi said:
This French power is becoming really... crazy. And very nazi. The nazis did the same, I imagine Franco also. All the dictators need martyrs. It is shameful because they are putting some really bad artists (their drawings were really ugly) at the same nivel that good writers.
It is interesting about what Shinzenbi said, the victims of the attack at Madrid and London never became "martyrs". They were, after that, simple humans, good people, normal citizens. They were rats, for them. But the charlie's were not rats. They surely were working for them, and as we can see this power needs martyrs to impose new laws and new very, extremely restricting laws.
I listened the video about the desire to put this "artists" to the Pantheon. I cringed my teeth. We were reading about the double language... here you have, I think, the perfect example of double language but in French. This woman named, listen: Malraux. Also she compared the Charlie victims to RESISTANTS (from the Resistance movement during the Occupation of nazis in France) and she also said that they were COMBATTANTS. Plus you have her almost crying. Crocodile tears, evidently.
This is simply propaganda. I am reading again the diary of Jean Guehenno written during the Occupation. Guéhenno was a very important intellectual, but he was specially a very good human being. He hate so strongly propaganda. Me too. And I think all of us also. Propaganda gives nausea.
But wait. Mr. Valls is preparing a very nice gift to French people.
The French government has launched a campaing called "Stop Jihadism". As part of it, they produced a chart with signs that someone might be becoming a jihadist. From The Independent:
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/not-sure-if-youre-a-jihadist-the-french-government-has-this-handy-chart-for-you--gyMu2ENjjl
Not sure if you're a jihadist? The French government has this handy chart for you
As part of a broader campaign to tackle Islamic extremism the French government has produced a chart listing a series of potentially worrying behaviour changes to help you work out if you’ve become radicalised.
Some of the first warning signs of radicalisation identified by the chart, from the “Stop Djihadisme” website, are more obvious than others. These include visiting extremist websites and social media accounts, becoming wary of old friends whom they now consider “impure” and rejecting members of their family.
On the other hand, the chart includes far vaguer suggestions such as a change in eating habits (like ditching the traditional baguette?), not listening to music or watching television and giving up sports, although it cites that the worrying reason to give up sports because they are mixed-sex.
The producers of the chart seem to be aware that this is not a fail-safe way to recognize extremists, warning: “Each situation is specific, the identification of one or more of these signs does not imply systematic radicalisation.”
The chart is part of a €425 million plan announced last Wednesday to combat extremism that has been rolled out in the wake of January’s terrorist attacks on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine and a Kosher market in Paris.
The “Stop Djihadisme” website is part of a €60 million online presence, which includes videos countering Isis propaganda materials, which has lured hundreds of French nationals to Iraq and Syria.
Iron
Dagobah Resident
This chart is so cool and vague that everyone could be labeled a Jihadist on convenience.
They are really bold with some moves, I must admit.
They already have their "special organ" in the government to label and diffame people of being a terrorist? Will it fall in the hands of MIVILUDES (if I am recalling the name correctly)?
They are really bold with some moves, I must admit.
They already have their "special organ" in the government to label and diffame people of being a terrorist? Will it fall in the hands of MIVILUDES (if I am recalling the name correctly)?
Jeremy F Kreuz
Dagobah Resident
Would be convient to Link Russia with terrorist attacks in France (Europe) through Chechens?
It would be convenient. There have been a couple of major raids against 'Chechens' since the Hebdo attack.
Note how rapidly they were 'defused' from 'terrorists' to 'gangsters'...
In a sense, a 'Russian terror attack' is hanging over France like a sword. But I don't think they would explicitly 'blame Russia', but instead insinuate Russian involvement.
Note how rapidly they were 'defused' from 'terrorists' to 'gangsters'...
In a sense, a 'Russian terror attack' is hanging over France like a sword. But I don't think they would explicitly 'blame Russia', but instead insinuate Russian involvement.
Jeremy F Kreuz
Dagobah Resident
You probably refer to the hostage takings in the Moscow theatre (Nord - Ost) and the one in the school in Beslan It was though the Russian intervention forces that are remembered for the deadly ways they handled these hostage crisises. In both cases several hundred of people were killed.
