France - Charlie Hebdo Attack

[Bastian]

Re: France - 11 dead

How well-informed these guys must have been, to strike on a day where all these journalists were holding a meeting, and to shoot the most prominent figures of the newspaper.

I suppose it was not that difficult to guess when was the weekly meeting : by asking somebody who knows or by surveying discreetly who get into the building for a few days.

The murderers made first a mistake : they went to number 6 in the street, and then to number 10 (the real address), according to this article (in French) :
_http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/charlie-hebdo-ce-ne-sont-pas-des-illumines-qui-ont-agi-sur-un-coup-de-tete-07-01-2015-1894714_23.php

 

[seek10]

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No, the newspaper is not neutral, it's strongly anti-muslim. It was already attacked a few years ago, when a fire broke out at its headquarters - the affair was dubious, to say the least. The newspaper had been having financial difficulties for some time. After the fire, it received 300 00 Euros in damages and was temporarily relocated at the headquarters of the mainstream newspaper Libération, the first shareholder of which is Edouard de Rothschild.

Indeed. For members abroad who might not know, Charlie Hebdo were the ones to reproduce the infamous Allah caricatures a few years ago. Under the banner of 'liberty of speech', they were going pretty far insulting muslims. They sometimes joked about Jesus or (more rarely) about Jews, but only for good measure, it seems.

Very often caricatures would depict Mahomet naked or with breasts, or alluding that he had sex with either a pig's head or 9-year-old girls. It was pretty violent.

I saw some pictures later, some are gross and repulsive. No wonder this is controversy. Other countries will arrest them for that type of thing.

 

[liam1310]

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/cartoonist-recounts-slaughter-french-terror-attack-article-1.2068983

quote from article linked above
"Corinne Rey survived Wednesday’s massacre at the Parisian magazine Charlie Hebdo, but was forced to key in the security code to let gunmen — who went on to kill 12 — into the offices. She had just returned to work after picking up her daughter from school when she was ambushed by men who ‘spoke perfect French’ and ‘said they were from Al Qaeda".

im thinking they let her live for a reason just watched the video how they murdered the police officer he didn't have a chance they seemed calm
like they new they had time to get away the one who shot the officer wanted to walk further down the road but looks like had second thoughts then to hijack another car why not have one waiting or maybe they did or got picked up


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting-12-dead-after-gunmen-storm-newspaper-s-hq-1.2892151
"The witness, who refused to allow his name to be used because he feared for his safety, said the attackers were so methodical he first mistook them for France's elite anti-terrorism forces. Then they fired on the officer".

 

[loreta]

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No, the newspaper is not neutral, it's strongly anti-muslim. It was already attacked a few years ago, when a fire broke out at its headquarters - the affair was dubious, to say the least. The newspaper had been having financial difficulties for some time. After the fire, it received 300 00 Euros in damages and was temporarily relocated at the headquarters of the mainstream newspaper Libération, the first shareholder of which is Edouard de Rothschild.

Indeed. For members abroad who might not know, Charlie Hebdo were the ones to reproduce the infamous Allah caricatures a few years ago. Under the banner of 'liberty of speech', they were going pretty far insulting muslims. They sometimes joked about Jesus or (more rarely) about Jews, but only for good measure, it seems.

Very often caricatures would depict Mahomet naked or with breasts, or alluding that he had sex with either a pig's head or 9-year-old girls. It was pretty violent.

I saw some pictures later, some are gross and repulsive. No wonder this is controversy. Other countries will arrest them for that type of thing.

But this is not a reason to kill them. And yes, it is a controversy subject, this was their objective. This what they sold. And it can be said it was racism. But it was accepted, because they were not arrested. and now they are admired, loved, etc even if they were surely criticized before. And they were the perfect objective for this terrorist attack.

I don't like the hypocrisy of the discourses they are saying now: democratie, liberty, liberty of expression, bla bla bla.
This is theater.

 

[Bastian]

Re: France - 11 dead

I don't like the hypocrisy of the discourses they are saying now: democratie, liberty, liberty of expression, bla bla bla.
This is theater.

As usual !

 

[loreta]

Re: France - 11 dead

It is interesting to look their caricatures, some are very good. Don't forget that you can not talk against jews, not in France nor anywhere. I found this caricature.

 

[Eboard10]

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_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csb2SqVAl78

The link shows the video of the shooting of the policeman with the following comments: "No blood + no recoil + no body movement = fake". When you look at the video, he does have a point.

Another interesting comment from the aangirfan post, claiming it's a Mossad job:

_http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/

"Amchai Stein, the deputy editor of Israeli IBA Channel 1, just happened to be at the scene and has been posting photos of the shooting."

 

[liam1310]

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interesting video no blood at all wasn't one witness report saying paramedics were in no rush to get him into an ambulance

 

[liam1310]

Re: France - 11 dead

http://www.metronews.fr/info/attentat-a-charlie-hebdo-les-trois-suspects-ont-ete-identifies/moag!6R1qjYdgLbxjQ/
Metro News in France is reporting that French police have identified the attackers.
Google translate

Their names and dates of birth are in police hands. Wednesday night , hours after the terrible attack against the newspaper Charlie Hebdo , the identities of the three suspects were known to the police .

It would be three men aged 18, 32 and 34. The two thirty , of French nationality, are brothers born in the 10th arrondissement of Paris. They are named Said and Cherif K .. The nationality of the younger Hamyd M., SDF is not yet known.

The investigation is moving towards Reims

Currently , searches are conducted in Reims. RAID special forces were sent there. According to local press, the Red Cross area was completely cordoned off and police helicopters flying over the area.

One of the alleged assailants , K. Sherif , is already well known to the police. He was tried in 2005 for being part of a chain of sending jihadists in Iraq , nicknamed " the Iraqi chain of the 19th district of Paris ." With a dozen cronies , he would have led a dozen young people from fighting in Iraq between 2003 and 2005. He was arrested in 2005, when he was preparing himself from Iraq . At the time, he was justified before the presiding judge said: " Over the departure approached, I wanted to go back but if I dégonflais , I might pass for a coward. " . He was sentenced to three years in prison, including eighteen months suspended .

More information to follow ...

READ MORE >> Our special report on the attack Charlie Hebdo

 

[Eboard10]

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interesting video no blood at all wasn't one witness report saying paramedics were in no rush to get him into an ambulance

If it's fake it means someone added the sound and superimposed the smoke from the gunshot.

I'm no expert in either video or weapons, but the gunshot smoke doesn't seem to be aligned with the direction of the gun and it only appears to the right of the policeman.

 

[canavare]

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I am sorry to hear this.
Probabily this could be a false flag operation.
I am living in a muslim country-turkey and most of the people in my country are very sorry about the people who lost their lives in this teror attack.
But unfortunately there are some islamic fundamentalist who are happy about this attack and for the reasonable people this is more depressing than the attack.
You can find below some examples from turkish islamic fundamentalist media:

From the newspaper haber vaktim:

Translation: ''The magazine which insulted prophet Muhammed, has been attacked, many dead and many injured''

From the newspaper yeni akit:

Translation: ''Attack to the magazine who provoked muslims: 11 dead''

 

[Thebull]

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You cannot see this been anything other than a false flag. Leaves a bit of sick in the throat watching the news in the uk talking about how we can protect ourselves. The national paper headlines are interesting "war on freedom" "attack on democracy" why not stop arming and funding the terrorists seems simple doesn't it and no one seems to mention this. The PTB do seem to be ramping things up so suppose we should be prepared for more attacks on our freedom! Pity we don't have many left but one thing is for certain they'll soon be removed from the result of more attacks.

 

[RedFox]

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interesting video no blood at all wasn't one witness report saying paramedics were in no rush to get him into an ambulance

Might be worth reading Joe's article on the 'actors' in the Boston bombings.

http://www.sott.net/article/262463-Ink-Blot-Tests-and-actors-at-the-Boston-bombings

By the same rationale, couldn't it be claimed that many of the very dead people in this image don't appear to have received any significant injuries? Sure it could, but that wouldn't change the fact that several of them are 100% dead. Oh, and by the way, where is all the blood? I mean, there is ALWAYS tons of blood at bombings with fatalities, right?

It may also be worth considering how horrible that video is because you just witnessed a death of someone at the hands of a psychopath - and the 'natural' reaction to want to find any reason possible to explain it away as 'not being real'.

The science of ballistics (even point blank) is very strange when you dig into it, and nothing like the blood spraying everywhere you get in films. Bullets do weird things, they curve and change course. Unless the bullet hits a major blood vessel near the surface it generally won't leak. You can hit a major blood vessel and just bleed internally etc

 

[Ellipse]

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A point that look strange to me is that there was an high-speed car chase with the police between point 2 and 3. And at point 3 (Porte de Pantin), the police lose the track of the car.
Oh no!

 

[Nević Nenad]

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This could be interesting:

_http://sputniknews.com/military/20150108/1016636030.html

Former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman said that the US government's cover-up of Saudi Arabia's role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks are associated with the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris.

WASHINGTON, January 7 (Sputnik) — The US government's cover-up of Saudi Arabia's role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks are associated with the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris, former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman told Sputnik on Wednesday.

"The association is, Saudi Arabia has legitimately received the message by our United States cover-up of their role in 9/11, that they have impunity, that they can act as they want without sanction. It has allowed them to provide financial support first for al-Qaeda, then for groups like al-Shabaab, and now for ISIS [the Islamic State]," Bob Graham told Sputnik.

The cover-up has led Saudi Arabia to promoting the most extreme form of Sunni Islam, Wahhabism, former Senate Intelligence Chairman added.

Graham led the 2002 Senate investigation into the 9/11 attacks when he served as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He is currently campaigning for a Senate bill to declassify 28 pages of the 2002 Senate report which allegedly documents Saudi involvement in providing material and financial support to the hijackers who attacked the United States.

Three gunmen attacked the office of a weekly French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo on Wednesday morning, killing 12 people. No terrorist group has yet claimed responsibility for the Charlie Hebdo attack.