Friction and Fusion

Buddy said:
Another thing I would like to mention is that, generally speaking, I was/am one of those people who wear their emotions on their sleeve, always ready to overflow with enthusiasm and love for anyone and any opportunity to learn something new. I learned to disassociate from my emotions in order to 'behave', 'act right' and 'don't draw attention to myself' and stuff like that. I think it was to protect me from my own naiveté as well. Buffers had to be created to keep me from dealing with this and to accept and work through the pain that is also there, associated with all this.

Hey Buddy,

There is this passage in the Narcissitic family that seemed to describe me quite well, maybe this will ring true for you in parts as well (or not).
Your post made me think of myself, my unbridled emotional center would kick into high gear and I would be overflowing with love and excitation, to be depleted and disappointed after a while because it never met "my expectations".


A chronic need to please; an inability to identify feelings, wants, and needs; and a need for constant validation. This group of patients felt that the bad things that happened to them were well deserved, while the good things that happened were probably mistakes or accidents. They had difficulty being assertive, privately feeling a pervasive sense of rage that they feared might surface. They felt like paper tigers-often very angry, but easily beaten down. Their interpersonal relationships were characterized by distrust and suspicion (bordering on paranoia), interspersed with often disastrous episodes of total and injudicious trusting and self-disclosure. They were chronically dissatisfied, but were fearful of being perceived as whiners or complainers if they expressed their true feelings. Many could hold their anger in for extremely long periods of time, then become explosive over relatively insignificant matters. They had a sense of emptiness and dissatisfaction with their achievements; this was found even among individuals who externally may have been viewed as very successful. The list of people included professionals who were obsessively involved in their enterprises, but were unable to achieve at a level at which they found satisfaction. In relationships, these individuals frequently found themselves in repeated dead-end situations.

(Stephanie Donaldson-Pressman and Robert M. Pressman, The Narcissistic Family, p. 3)
 
Tigersoap said:
Buddy said:
Another thing I would like to mention is that, generally speaking, I was/am one of those people who wear their emotions on their sleeve, always ready to overflow with enthusiasm and love for anyone and any opportunity to learn something new. I learned to disassociate from my emotions in order to 'behave', 'act right' and 'don't draw attention to myself' and stuff like that. I think it was to protect me from my own naiveté as well. Buffers had to be created to keep me from dealing with this and to accept and work through the pain that is also there, associated with all this.

Hey Buddy,

There is this passage in the Narcissitic family that seemed to describe me quite well, maybe this will ring true for you in parts as well (or not).
Your post made me think of myself, my unbridled emotional center would kick into high gear and I would be overflowing with love and excitation, to be depleted and disappointed after a while because it never met "my expectations".


A chronic need to please; an inability to identify feelings, wants, and needs; and a need for constant validation. This group of patients felt that the bad things that happened to them were well deserved, while the good things that happened were probably mistakes or accidents. They had difficulty being assertive, privately feeling a pervasive sense of rage that they feared might surface. They felt like paper tigers-often very angry, but easily beaten down. Their interpersonal relationships were characterized by distrust and suspicion (bordering on paranoia), interspersed with often disastrous episodes of total and injudicious trusting and self-disclosure. They were chronically dissatisfied, but were fearful of being perceived as whiners or complainers if they expressed their true feelings. Many could hold their anger in for extremely long periods of time, then become explosive over relatively insignificant matters. They had a sense of emptiness and dissatisfaction with their achievements; this was found even among individuals who externally may have been viewed as very successful. The list of people included professionals who were obsessively involved in their enterprises, but were unable to achieve at a level at which they found satisfaction. In relationships, these individuals frequently found themselves in repeated dead-end situations.

(Stephanie Donaldson-Pressman and Robert M. Pressman, The Narcissistic Family, p. 3)


Yeah, it described me to a 't' too. Those characteristics can be misinterpreted as signs of Borderline Personality Disorder. Toxic relationships with narcissists, sociopaths, and just plain dysfunctional behavior (including others who are just wounded and 'neurotically compatible') can manifest Borderline Personality Disorder characteristics:

People who are diagnosed with borderline personality disorder have at least five of the following symptoms. They may:4

* Make frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.
* Have a pattern of difficult relationships caused by alternating between extremes of intense admiration and hatred of others.
* Have an unstable self-image or be unsure of his or her own identity.
* Act impulsively in ways that are self-damaging, such as extravagant spending, frequent and unprotected sex with many partners, substance abuse, binge eating, or reckless driving.
* Have recurring suicidal thoughts, make repeated suicide attempts, or cause self-injury through mutilation, such as cutting or burning himself or herself.
* Have frequent emotional overreactions or intense mood swings, including feeling depressed, irritable, or anxious. These mood swings usually only last a few hours at a time. In rare cases, they may last a day or two.
* Have long-term feelings of emptiness.
* Have inappropriate, fierce anger or problems controlling anger. The person may often display temper tantrums or get into physical fights.
* Have temporary episodes of feeling suspicious of others without reason (paranoia) or losing a sense of reality.

Source: http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/tc/borderline-personality-disorder-symptoms

A person that doesn't have actual Borderline Personality Disorder won't display clinical symptoms all the time. The symptoms can be situational. As long as the toxic relationship, or a toxic relationship is ongoing, the signs will persist. It often takes dedicated therapy to root this out, because it grows from being in a toxic family to begin with. (And its colored by co-dependency and other issues)

With counseling, and therapy its possible to recognize the situations and people that trigger this behavior, and properly handle it. I was in college when a counselor working with me came up with this as a working hypothesis. I found it to be accurate, my behavior morphed with whomever I was with, like a chameleon. Its a 'buffer' or defense mechanism. People who 'wear their hearts on their sleeves' adapt in different ways, and mine was to 'blend' to diffuse the emotions and avoid being 'hurt'.

When this buffer is totally mechanical, you show people what they want to see, and not 'the real you'. Who you are depends on who you happen to be with at the time.

This is NOT External Consideration, because it is not a conscious choice, its a reaction held over from childhood.

Reading Buddy's post reminded me of this, and I'm sharing it to help other people distinguish this automatic buffer from actual External Considering. :)
 
anart said:
The health and diet section is crucial since many of the control mechanisms of this reality are directly tied into physiology - 'cleaning your machine' is also a physical process.

Thanks anart. I hadn't thought of it that way, but that makes perfect sense.


Tigersoap said:
There is this passage in the Narcissitic family that seemed to describe me quite well, maybe this will ring true for you in parts as well (or not).


Hi Tigersoap. Some of that does ring true. Mostly during the growing up years. When I got away from home, I found ways to deal with some of these issues in my own natural way, but without completely resolving them as of yet. Thank you.


Gimpy said:
People who 'wear their hearts on their sleeves' adapt in different ways, and mine was to 'blend' to diffuse the emotions and avoid being 'hurt'.


Hi Gimpy. Thanks for that quote. My adaptation was to be the 'quiet type'. I tried to simply avoid groups, conversations or specific activities where I felt like I wouldn't know what to do or say, should something unexpected happen, drawing certain types of unwanted attention towards me.

One of my biggest problems seems to be just plain ignorance in a lot of places. Also I have a 'can't do anything right' program that goes back to early childhood and that makes learning difficult sometimes. Thinking with a hammer is helping a lot, but it's slow going because if I'm not careful to spend time thinking about what I'm reading, it's like it goes in one ear and out the other. :)
 
anart said:
Buddy said:
Pinkerton said:
What's your diet like? Too much dairy can cause nasal/sinus problems.

Hi Pinkerton. I am somewhat ashamed to say that I have not explored the Diet and health section yet to find out how I should be eating.

My diet normally consists of meat/chicken/pork/fish with a starch and vegetable in moderation. No milk, little to no cheese.

I am currently exploring possible connections to my belief system though, with this in mind:

[quote author=http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13j.htm]
Taking this "key" literally, if a person has problems or feels "attacked" or is suffering in any way, they have only to search their own mind to discover that they are holding on to a belief or an assumption that is an obsession. I have found this to be true in my own life, as well as the lives of others. If there are problems, illness, difficulties of all kinds, then one is obsessed in some way with a false belief. No exceptions.

I can see why that quote might be applicable, however - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The health and diet section is crucial since many of the control mechanisms of this reality are directly tied into physiology - 'cleaning your machine' is also a physical process. I had sinus issues, allergies, runny nose and serious asthma for over a decade before adjusting my diet - now - nothing - all of it is gone, along with several other decades-long serious health problems.

Never underestimate the power of detoxing - if, after detoxing, the problem persists - then it is time to seriously look at the underlying energetic issue. At least this has been my personal experience.
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I will second ana regardig the food connection . when I started seriously uncovering my buffers /programs, I perceived lot of "so called attack" , which always pulled me back to the ground. It is the -ve emotions and stress , that accompany with self observation and friction which always trigger -ve introject which drains all the bodily nutrients which can create similar issues.

this is like a vicious circle ( like thought loop), one can't break the loop unless one is conscious. Unfortunatly I always fall to the mechanical reaction of day dreaming/emotional sleep ( tired of seeing my self in -ve perspective) to the -ve emotion , that drain the shock. These discussions on the forum are great remainders and disassociation breakers, many times sounds timely. Once I started the vitamins mentioned in the detoxing threads and in ultra mind, I see a huge difference in the mood, as if programs has limited impact.
 
SMM said:
Can I ask this be merged with thread in "What's on your Mind"?

Despite the fact that both threads use the word fusion in the subject line, they are discussing different subjects, so a merge would be confusing and not appropriate.
 
IMO the friction can be felt as a sort of conflict inside and or around the solar plexus area. This friction is when more than one part of us more than one I comes up and is involved. This can cause emotions, irrational thinking and so on. During these times of friction i believe its important to have someone who knows you and who you trust to talk to and also meditate on the situation, thing or person that has caused this friction and why it is having this reaction on you... The during/post friction choices made are important IMO
 

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