George Floyd's Death, Protests and Riots across the US

On Trump, and Trump's speech:

No matter what you think of the guy, he's a very colorful character. Although I didn't see the entire speech, what I saw of it was very entertaining. He's actually something of a comedian when you think about it. And a good story teller. He certainly is never boring, even when his thoughtlessness at times makes you want to cringe -- although he steered clear of cringe worthy comments during the portion I watched.

What I've noticed about Trump over the years is that he really seems to make transparent much of what goes into the job of being president: the deal making (of course, since that's his specialty), but also his assigning responsibility -- in the case of Covid-19, the degree to which he spoke of his relying on the [not always] good sense of the countries' governors, for example. And if he's guilty of crudely lambasting all opponents, he's also very generous in giving credit where credit is due.

Trump's use of Twitter is unprecedented, of course. You certainly never saw Obama doing that. And in that he breaks down what in acting is called "the fourth wall," so that he seems to be talking to you personally, which also lends an air of "transparency" to his presidency. On the downside, his "thinking out loud" has often gotten him into far more trouble than had he thought things through before blindly reacting with a tweet. But these very human foibles are also what make those who support his presidency love him all the more. It's that they can identify with the man.

One of the commentators after the speech said it took Trump some time to get up to speed. Actually, he put the blame on Pence, for some reason (who was also in charge of attendance, interestingly enough). He said Trump really should have had Ivanka there directing things. I came in somewhere near the middle, where he was looking quite comfortable, and doing a humorous routine about this treacherous, stainless steel ramp he needed to descend after a recent engagement involving the military (apparently, this [very humorously described] descent down this treacherous ramp got Trump a real going over by the MSM). Another commentator noted that a good story teller will have a good villain he keeps referring to, which Trump invariably does. And actually, when you think about it, Trump has had the "lamestream media," "fake news," the "do nothing Dems" play this role for him very successfully for nearly four years now.

No doubt Trump and his team will re-group and trouble shoot this last attendance debacle. I do think he has the support out there, but, as we all have seen here, these are incredibly trying times in which anything can happen. He's certainly not taking it for granted that he'll win, though. After all, these rallies were seminal to his winning in the last election, and so he's not resting on his laurels -- which was clear in some of the comments he made yesterday. But, as for his ability to win the crowd, I saw no sign of that diminishing.
 
As you can imagine, Columbus, Ohio, has a special attachment to, well, Columbus!
Columbus statue to be removed from namesake Ohio city

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In this Sept. 12, 2019 photo, a statue of Christopher Columbus sits in front of City Hall in Columbus, Ohio. Columbus Mayor Andrew J. Ginther announced on Thursday, June 18, 2020 that the statue at will be removed as soon as possible and placed in storage. (Doral Chenoweth III/The Columbus Dispatch via AP)

COLUMBUS, Ohio — A statue of Christopher Columbus will be removed by the largest city that bears the explorer’s name, the Ohio city’s mayor announced Thursday.

The statue located in front of City Hall in Columbus, Ohio, will be removed immediately and placed in storage as monuments to Confederates and other historical figures who repressed or oppressed other people are being dismantled across the country.

“For many people in our community, the statue represents patriarchy, oppression and divisiveness.” Democratic Mayor Andrew Ginther said in a release. “That does not represent our great city, and we will no longer live in the shadow of our ugly past.”

There has long been debate across the nation over the explorer’s legacy, with some calling him a symbol of the conquest and subjugation of indigenous people. Columbus, Ohio’s capital, quietly canceled its Columbus Day holiday beginning in 2018.

The removal of such monuments follows weeks of global protests over the killing of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police on May 25.

This is the second announcement this week of a monument enshrined to the explorer being removed in Columbus.

Columbus State Community College said Tuesday it will be dismantling the statue of Columbus that has been displayed on its downtown campus since 1988.

“We do not seek to erase history, but to make an intentional shift in what we visibly honor and celebrate as an institution,” Columbus State Board of Trustees President Anthony Joseph said.

Ginther said he asked the Columbus Art Commission to launch a process that will help determine how to best replace the statue as well as reevaluate existing monuments and symbols in the city, including the city’s seal and flag.

“By replacing the statue, we are removing one more barrier to meaningful and lasting change to end systemic racism,” said Mayor Ginther. “Its removal will allow us to remain focused on critical police reforms and increasing equity in housing, health outcomes, education and employment.”


Christopher Columbus statue at Columbus State vandalized
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The Christopher Columbus statue on the campus of Columbus State Community College was vandalized overnight.

Police say red paint was thrown on the statue and spray paint was used to write messages on the statue.

Columbus State announced Tuesday the statue would be removed from campus in the next two weeks.

“The removal of the Christopher Columbus statue is a symbolic gesture of our commitment to our College and in our community to continue and accelerate the fight against systemic racism,” said Columbus State President David Harrison.

Statue of Christopher Columbus (Ohio Statehouse)

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The memorial was commissioned by Joseph Jessing of the Pontifical College Josephinum to commemorate the 400th anniversary of his voyage, and was purchased by Jessing in 1892 for $400–500.[2] From 1892 to 1932, the work was installed at the college, along 18th Street between Main and Mound. It was gifted to Ohio in 1932.[2]

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The statue c. 1935–1943

The monument has been vandalized multiple times. The dove, which had been removed and found, was rededicated on October 12, 1953.[2] The memorial was relocated while the Statehouse underwent restoration in 1991. During 1991–1992, a new granite base and fountain was designed by E. G. & G., Inc., and unveiled for the 500th anniversary of Columbus's voyage.[3] The artwork was surveyed by the Smithsonian Institution's "Save Outdoor Sculpture!" program in 1993.[2]

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Amid news of the city's other two statues of Christopher Columbus being removed, the Capitol Square Review Board will discuss the Statehouse statue during their July 16 meeting.[4]

Top GOP legislative leaders oppose removal of Columbus statue outside the Statehouse

Now that statues of Christopher Columbus at City Hall and Columbus State Community College are set for removal, what about the one outside the Statehouse?

Two members of the board that will make that call say it’s time to make it a clean sweep in the Italian explorer’s namesake city.

But the head of that group, House Speaker Larry Householder, says the statue should stay put.

“Historical figures are always subject to facts, fiction, myth and personal perspectives. Because a certain memorial has been erected to acknowledge a significant accomplishment does not mean that person was without fault, it just recognizes that particular accomplishment,” the Glenford Republican said in a statement.

Senate President Larry Obhof, R-Medina, stated that he opposes removal of the statue “because this isn’t George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four.”

He did not elaborate.

Two African American members of the board are the ones calling for the Columbus statue to come down.

“Removal of this statue is not erasing history, but rather choosing not to celebrate and idolize those who do not deserve the public’s admiration. Christopher Columbus should never have been heralded as a hero and put up on a pedestal,” said Rep. Janine Boyd, D-Cleveland.

“This statue on the Statehouse grounds represents a dark legacy of slavery, oppression, exploitation and genocide. To people of color, it is a history still affecting our everyday lives as racism continues to pervade this country.”

Sen. Hearcel Craig, D-Columbus, tweeted, “I believe there should be a conversation about the statue of Christopher Columbus that’s on the Statehouse grounds. His connections with slavery had devastating effects on our nation. ... There should not be symbols of oppression on our public lands.”

It seems "systemic racism" is the new buzzward. And nothing says "systemic racism" like a statue of Christopher Columbus! I guess it's a lot easier to do something symbolic about the atrocities of the ancient past than to actually do anything real about the atrocities of the present.
 
The apparent hypocrisy is Trump calling out protesters for not wearing masks while people are not wearing masks at his rally, particulary everyone in view behind him as he delivers this. Maybe I'm missing something. The MSM may see it the same way that I do and run with it.
FWIW I think it is Trump's trolling/sarcasm about the whole "pandemic".
I totally agree with the MSM might take it and run idea.
I 'worry' that there might be a pendulum swing in the near future where the radical right go 'off the rails' as it were...
wait and see lol
 
This whole CHAZ thing is fascinating!

The representatives of CHAZ, (organically chosen, it would appear. That is, a handful of somebodies either wanted power or didn't duck their eyes fast enough from the responsibility when asked), find themselves in the role of leadership and negotiation with the city.
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"Those representing the protesters included CHOP garden operations director Marcus Henderson, live-streamer and artist Chai Adera, protest organizer Shannon, rapper Raz Simone, and barrier security guard Cove. Filmmaker Tracy Rector, who runs Longhouse Media out of Northwest Film Forum, also facilitated the discussion.

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"SPD will limit its response in the area to "significant life-safety issues," the spokesperson writes in the blog. Some examples of life-safety issues include "an active shooter incident, an assault, a structure fire, significant medical emergency (i.e. heart attack, stroke, trauma) and other incidents that threaten a person’s life safety."

"Shannon, a CHOP resident who was critical of one of SDOT's working proposals, said she's enjoying the new configuration. "I feel a lot safer now that a vehicle isn't going to come up and run me over on the sidewalk so easily," she said, mentioning a few recent local incidents of drivers barreling into peaceful protesters. That sense of safety, she believes, will facilitate the movement's "big group project" of ending systemic racism "today instead of tomorrow."

"Cove, who represents the barrier safety team, called the new orientation "really beautiful."

"We want to facilitate the community as much as possible while still facilitating our movement as much as possible, and I think we've made a happy compromise here," he said.

"Cove thinks the new cement barriers will keep protesters and everyone else safer, which addresses a concern of his barrier sentinels, especially the overnight crew, who felt as if they were "sitting ducks."

"We're tightening up our footprint just a little, getting a buttload of infrastructure that's going to keep us safe and keep vehicles out, and hopefully make the protest itself a lot more sustainable," Cove added.

He also hopes working openly with the city will "squash" the false notion that the protesters are part of a separatist movement. The word "autonomous" in one of the original names of the area, the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone," fed into the right-wing ideology that protesters wanted to secede from the union, Cove explained. That message, amplified by the President and right-wing outlets, attracted gangs such as the Proud Boys and random gun-toting suburban nutjobs, which has presented a security problem. "For right-wing optics, it's going to be really hard to call us a separatist movement when we're right here working hand-in-hand with our city," Cove said."

-https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/06/15/43913591/capitol-hill-occupied-protest-residents-are-working-out-a-new-footprint-with-the-city

Also..,

-https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/06/16/43919450/city-and-chop-residents-agree-on-new-footprint

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When you suddenly find yourself thrust into the difficult to avoid position of having to establish boundaries as an official organization, uh oh! Now you're, for real, negotiating over maps and essential services, etc., -and doing so with older, more powerful entities which have training in this kind of thing. -Which is pretty good; you're talking rather than fighting, and that's better for everybody. But now these kids in charge are learning the realities of power and population management. It's not so easy, is it? These naive kids might just come out the other end of the process with different views on how the adult world works, what compromises mean, and that there are human beings on the other side of the table. -Sort of the important year-end social sciences project which they never actually did in school.

Here's where the plot will thicken for them: While trying to put together a delicate and important deal with the city, how stressful will it be and what will they do if some of their residents start smashing windows or otherwise breaking agreements made on their behalf? What will happen on the day when the child-leaders have to agree either to deliver a hardened criminal from their midst, or exercise their own brand of justice?

There's a TV show in this! (I bet there is probably already something in early production somewhere.)

The nice thing about, "All there is, is lessons," is that.., learning really is Fun! -Until I read the two linked articles, I'd rather forgotten that.

Good luck to all students involved!
 
I am not sure if this has been posted before, this thread is growing rather rapidly.

But this came up on my suggestions today on YouTube and it was very interesting, specially when he speaks about seeking to attain victory either by rhetoric or by violence. He also speaks about ideological possession, which he has discussed elsewhere, but I think it's pertinent to take a listen again in times like these:

 
Looks like this show is coming to an end.

Mayor: Seattle to wind down CHOP after shootings

SEATTLESeattle’s mayor says the city will move to wind down the “occupied” protest zone following two recent shootings, including one that left a man dead.
Mayor Jenny Durkan said at a news conference Monday that officials are working with the community to bring the “Capitol Hill Occupied Protest” zone to an end after two weeks.
The mayor said the violence was distracting from changes sought by thousands of peaceful protesters seeking to address racial inequity and police brutality. The area has drawn President Donald Trump’s scorn.


Former U.S. Rep. Dave Reichert, a Republican who previously served as sheriff in the county where Seattle is located, also called on the city to take back control.

“Elected officials have abandoned the rule of law and their oath to protect and defend our communities,” he wrote in an opinion piece for Washington State Wire, a website devoted to state political news. “They have abandoned their law-abiding citizens and have been cowardly bullied into surrendering the East Precinct – and multiple city blocks.”

Leaders in Seattle faced growing pressure to crack down on an “occupied” protest zone following two weekend shootings, and they were meeting Monday with demonstrators, business owners and others to find a solution to keeping people safe in the blocks-long span of city streets that was taken over two weeks ago and has drawn President Donald Trump’s scorn.

 
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