Graham Hancock

Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

thanks for that, but I dont see really anything about the the actual book in that post.

she seems to be addressing the authors gullibility and intentions, but not the content of the book.

Thanks though.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

ZeropointNinja said:
thanks for that, but I dont see really anything about the the actual book in that post.

she seems to be addressing the authors gullibility and intentions, but not the content of the book.

Thanks though.

Interesting that you would separate the author's gullibility and intentions from the book the author wrote - as if the book could be different, especially since she is basing that assessment on the book! Selection and substitution of data, perhaps?

It sounds like you might be protecting a sacred cow or two? Time to put them out to pasture!!
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

Have you read the book?

Are you speaking for Laura?

I am interested in what she thinks of the UT aspects and experiences outlined in the book and how she related it to patients she has worked with. One that springs to mind is the lady who spoke of insectoid UTs eating children. Insectoid UTs are covered a good bit in Supernatural.

It would seem you are trying to speak on a book you have not read, have no idea what its about, and have no intention of exploring adequately to make an intelligent comment .

If ad hominem insults are the best you can do, you are wasting both our time.

Fine, if you speak for Laura, which I doubt, then put the book and the UTs in it out to pasture.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

ZeropointNinja said:
Have you read the book?

Are you speaking for Laura?

Not at all, Laura speaks for herself. She's really good at it.


zpn said:
I am interested in what she thinks of the UT aspects and experiences outlined in the book and how she related it to patients she has worked with. One that springs to mind is the lady who spoke of insectoid UTs eating children. Insectoid UTs are covered a good bit in Supernatural.

I'm sure Laura will respond if she gets the time.


zpn said:
It would seem you are trying to speak on a book you have not read, have no idea what its about, and have no intention of exploring adequately to make an intelligent comment .

Not even vaguely, I'm just pointing out that you are obviously protecting a sacred cow. That your impressions and obvious emotional reaction are subjective and you might be served well by putting those cows out to pasture - no offense is intended at all.

zpn said:
If ad hominem insults are the best you can do, you are wasting both our time.

Please point out the 'ad hominem attack' since I didn't make one, so I'm curious what it is you're talking about.

zpn said:
Fine, if you speak for Laura,

I never said I spoke for Laura, and I'm not sure why you've phrased this as if I've already responded to you...

zpn said:
which I doubt, then put the book and the UTs in it out to pasture.

It appears you don't understand what I meant by 'put your sacred cows out to pasture'. It has nothing to do with anything outside of you and your own mind. As a self-proclaimed 'psychonaut' you should be familiar with your own mind - but hallucinogens tend to get in the way of that.

I'm wondering if you actually read the threads Laura suggested to you in the post that is linked, since you are new to the forum and could use some understanding of how things are done here.

The threads were suggested because we want you to understand things so you can contribute and learn and progress. We want you to learn and feel comfortable and grow from your experience here, thus, she recommended very important threads so you could 'get the hang of things'. It seems as if you did not take the time to read them.

In short, zeropointninja, your emotional reaction evidenced here, in response to my post, is your false personality - the one who loves the idea of being a shaman and using 'entheogens', literally fighting for its life. It is all your programs, all those parts of yourself that keep you in your place that are fighting for their survival because if you were ever to learn the truth, and put those sacred cows out to pasture, literally everything would change for you and it would dwarf everything you've experienced up to this point in your life.

That is the crux - and the point - and why we continue to try to get through to you about what it is we do here. It's up to you whether you listen or not, but I hope you do.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

The personal "attacks" we obviously for Hancock, and thats fine, I am not concerned with what anybody things of him personally.

What I am interested in is discussing aspects of the book Supernatural.

If anybody is exhibiting emotion it would be you, why you even have exclamation marks in your post.

In any case, if you have some insight into UTs or entities encountered in altered states on consciousness (achieved by whatever mechanism) and how that relates to 4D UTs and why there seems to be a connection that great, love to hear it.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

ZeropointNinja said:
The personal "attacks" we obviously for Hancock, and thats fine, I am not concerned with what anybody things of him personally.

So you are saying that Laura was making ad hominem attacks? Apologies, I missed that earlier. I didn't get that impression - I got the strong impression that she was merely stating the truth as she sees it, and she's quite good at seeing the truth.

z said:
What I am interested in is discussing aspects of the book Supernatural.

What aspects are you interested in?

zpn said:
If anybody is exhibiting emotion it would be you, why you even have exclamation marks in your post.

:lol: Seriously.

Okay, perhaps if you could take the time to read - thoroughly - the threads that Laura listed, that are linked in my previous post, then you can return to discuss this? I suggest this because you obviously have no frame of reference with which to discuss your own behavior.

zpn said:
In any case, if you have some insight into UTs or entities encountered in altered states on consciousness (achieved by whatever mechanism) and how that relates to 4D UTs and why there seems to be a connection that great, love to hear it.

Well, it doesn't really work that way, here, zero. By that, I mean, forum members don't limit what other forum members respond to because it makes them more comfortable to do so. Please read the threads Laura linked and I think you'll understand.

Regarding your book, I'm sure other input will be forthcoming, if it is deemed necessary/productive.

Can you, perhaps, at least consider that what you are feeling regarding this thread and this book are reactions? If you cannot, then, apologies and I do strongly suggest that you spend more time reading the forum to get some sense of the purpose.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

ZeropointNinja said:
If anybody is exhibiting emotion it would be you, why you even have exclamation marks in your post.

Umm, I don't see any exclamation points in Anart's post. Could you point them out?

Since you are asking for precise data, you have to know that preciseness from you is expected as a minimum.

Or is something getting in your way of being factual?
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

anart said:
ZeropointNinja said:
thanks for that, but I dont see really anything about the the actual book in that post.

she seems to be addressing the authors gullibility and intentions, but not the content of the book.

Thanks though.

Interesting that you would separate the author's gullibility and intentions from the book the author wrote - as if the book could be different, especially since she is basing that assessment on the book! Selection and substitution of data, perhaps?

It sounds like you might be protecting a sacred cow or two? Time to put them out to pasture!!


Here you go Azur, See above.

In regards to the rest of your comments, please see the link below.

_http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Noise
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

ZeropointNinja said:
Here you go Azur, See above.

In regards to the rest of your comments, please see the link below.

_http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Noise

That's about enough, Zeropointninja. You are being rude and confrontational, which is a direct violation of forum rules.

Perhaps it would be best for you to step away from the computer and not post any more this evening since you are having trouble controlling yourself.

If you cannot do that, then please understand that your posting privileges may be revoked until you can control yourself.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

ZeropointNinja said:
Here you go Azur, See above.

Ahh, my fault for assuming you meant that the post you were referring to was directly above your answer.


ZeropointNinja said:
In regards to the rest of your comments, please see the link below.

_http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Noise

I think sometime in the very, very near future, you will be reading that entry with new eyes.

It really looks to me, and it has been pointed out already, that you are looking for one thing only: a justification for what you already think, a confirmation.

What it is you seem to be missing in the posts to you before, is WHY this confirmation is important to you against all rational and objective methods of examining a subject of interest.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

Jeez, the energy it takes to keep focus sometimes is remarkable. You would think the newcomer to the room would be disposed to take a minute and look around a bit before spewing forth the contents of their thoughts as though no one here ever had any. Zeropointninja, have you a forum consisting of hundreds of people who share objective knowledge to the best of their ability and critique one another in a respectful way in order to learn and grow and benefit from such a network of like minds? If not, perhaps you would be well advised to cool your jets and listen for a bit, think on it and try to see how to behave in such a network in order to learn from it like everyone else around here. I mean no offense to you, but your carrying-on is something of a distraction from the topic of this thread.

To get back on topic, I read some of Graham's earlier works with interest. Especially 'Underworld', which contains much well-researched data about evidence of pre-cataclysmic ruins which now lay underwater. I found the evidence he presented to be quite compelling and interesting, and he makes a pretty good case that there were advanced civilizations around the globe prior to whatever happened 13,000 years ago. It was this book, to his credit, which made me aware of the anomalies in Malta, southeastern India and Yonaguni near Japan.

With 'Supernatural' he took a serious turn into subjective supposition for me, at least, when I read it 2 years ago. He determined that in no uncertain terms humans had no advanced civilizations earlier than 35-40,000 years ago (his certainty here was a flag for me) and then ventured into his hypothesis that psychedelic drugs are the catalyst for human development based largely upon his OWN experiences with the DMT drugs of the Amazon. He tries to make a valid argument on this point, but I could not get past the impression that it was his own experimentation and excitement in this area which was driving his conclusions. He failed to really convince me and I was left feeling like he had some intense experiences which he then attempted to use as the basis of a theory of evolution.

I was disappointed by this work, in that he seems to be attempting to find validation through his own subjective experience, rather than objective evidence as in Underworld. This book caused me to knock Graham down several notches as a source of objective knowledge 2 years ago. Reading what Laura & others have to say now only reinforces that conclusion.

It would follow that anyone who has followed the same path as Graham in this regard would also attempt to defend these conclusions using Graham's book as a basis for that defense.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

Azur said:
ZeropointNinja said:
In regards to the rest of your comments, please see the link below.

_http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Noise

I think sometime in the very, very near future, you will be reading that entry with new eyes.

It really looks to me, and it has been pointed out already, that you are looking for one thing only: a justification for what you already think, a confirmation.

What it is you seem to be missing in the posts to you before, is WHY this confirmation is important to you against all rational and objective methods of examining a subject of interest.

Zeropointninja, it also seems to me that you're looking for a confirmation of an idea you already have as mentionned in Azur post quoted above.
Just try for a second to accept this possibility, and think as objectively as possible about what this will imply; I think you will understand the point made by anart and Azur in their above posts osit.

Edit: grammar.
 
Re: Supernatural Graham Hancock

I'm reading the book as my "bedtime book" so that means I only read about 5 pages just before going to sleep. I've had some interesting dreams about it a couple nights in a row. It was actually a "serial dream" for two nights, where I had the same characters playing in the same setting... weird.

The setting was that there was a group of people erecting a building very close to where I was living. I went to check them out when the building was almost finished and discovered that it was a "mafioso type" organization and the building was intended to be used as a casino/bordello. I observed what was going on for awhile, was able to ask questions of a few people coming and going, and finally, the owner/head guy. It became clear that they were intentionally promoting a "sex and drugs and gambling" lifestyle for the people coming and going for the express purpose of preventing them from becoming aware of their true spiritual nature.

Now, Hancock certainly thinks he is talking about the "spirit world" and acknowledging it's existence, reality, but the fact is, so far, he has only degraded the perception of it. I'm not all the way through the book, so maybe what I will do is just post occasional excerpts and the notes I have written in the margins as I have been reading. I'll try to get to this later today, but it might not be until tomorrow as I have a pretty full schedule right now.
 
Black magic as a mean of social control?

This interesting article deals with the use of operative practice by the elite, to control the population or attack individuals who threatened them, using the "superspectrum". It underlines the need for "knowledge and being" practices (wether the one advise on this highly respectful website or others which are well meaning and operative according to the intention).

lluminati Use "Magick" Against Us

December 2, 2009

By L.C. Vincent

(lcvincent88@bigstring.com)

for Henrymakow.com

The Illuminati and their minions enjoy the certain knowledge that the spiritual realm not only exists and at all times interpenetrates our phenomenal world; they also know how to manipulate elements of these spiritual dimensions to make things occur at a given place and time according to their wishes.

On the more mundane level, they know how, through the manipulation of words, sounds and symbols, to change people and the flow of events of the world in which we all move.

If Magick can be defined as "The Art and Science of causing change (in our world) to occur in conformity with Will" , then the Illuminati, who know with a certainty that the spiritual realm exists as a part of our "ordinary" sensory reality, have also learned how to bend, shape and manipulate that reality and the people within it to affect change which will benefit them.

They may do this through elaborate ritual, or by simply imposing their Will upon another through the strength of their thoughts. However, it is often desirable, and sometimes even necessary, to acquire the actual physical excreta of a person they wish to control. Therefore, strands of hair, one's fingernail clippings or a jot of blood will provide the "physical-spiritual link" between the one they wish to influence, and the controller.

In the case of the late Philip John Jones, the Illuminati may well have sent an agent or agents to gather the physical linkage they needed. For as surely as an insulated electrical wire will deliver its current to whatever is tethered at the other end, the direct physical link to the subject of their manipulation and attack will provide the most direct path for their influence.

Aware of his vulnerabilities, they used a "damsel in distress" to gain access to his personal space, and his personal castoffs (hair, nails, etc. found in his bathroom) in order to directly manipulate his health. And more than likely, to ensure the probability of their success, a mixture of home made "vitamins" compounded by his Inamorata of the moment were added to seal his fate.

As we sleepwalk through our daily lives, most of us rarely think how the spiritual world ALWAYS interpenetrates our own. We rarely question what may be happening in the World of Manifestation, the Spiritual world, where what is to become real begins to form and take shape before it actually appears in our Phenomenal World of physical reality.

We think of time as linear; we think of people and events as isolated, and yet quantum theory has proven that all things, all people, all events, are interconnected. This perpetual interconnection of all people and events in the continuum of time provide the Illuminati with the certainty that future events can be manipulated by the manipulation of signs, symbols, words, music, ritual and spells. This is Magick.

In the spiritual realm, the realm where "good" and "evil" coexist as readily as they do in the typically mundane sphere of our five senses, those with Wisdom of such things know that nothing happens by accident, nothing happens by chance, and that there is a design and purpose to everything, whether or not our intellect can perceive it; and that all things are interconnected, in both space and time, both from the past thru the present to the future.

And it is in that future, the pliable, plastic World of Becoming, the world of manifestation hardening into the reality of direct sensory experience, which can be changed and bent and shaped by those adroit at using the living symbols of these arcane arts to tamper with the destinies of a man, of men, and of mankind, as they see fit.

None of the Illuminati's manipulations enjoy a foregone conclusion of success; they only become successful because they brook no strong, knowledgeable resistance in our world to their operations on the planes of manifestation which interlock with our planes of physical reality.

It is not simply the ignorance of the Laws of the World of the Spirit -- which have nothing to do with "good" or "evil" since both reside in the spiritual realm as easily as they do in our sensory world -- which preclude us from challenging the Illuminati at their own game; it is the fact that our feeble, rational mind, (which bears as much relationship to full spectrum reality as our puny egos bear to the power and capacity of our total mind), cannot bear to admit that it does not have all the answers, or all the knowledge of all things in Heaven and Earth.

And it is from this arrogance of rational ego that The Illuminati will continue to be able to manipulate those who refuse to grasp and admit that their knowledge and use of the Laws of the Realm of the Sprit will continue to provide them with an unassailable advantage --- until we, too, fine tune our spiritual perceptions and learn to fight back and reverse the forces they have unleashed upon us to cause them the havoc they wish to inflict upon our world.

Until that time when we learn to become spiritual warriors for Truth, and learn the operational Laws of the Spiritual World; until we admit that the Spiritual World is an eternal part of our "normal" waking reality, we will continue to be blinded to the powers and abilities The Illuminati wield against an ignorant populace, separated from their heritage of Spiritual Divinity and Power.
_http://www.henrymakow.com/illuminati_use_magick_against.html
 
Re: Black magic as a mean of social control?

Hi Sankara,

I am not sure why you find this article interesting.
Given what I understand, any form of black magic is just wishfull thinking, if you believe that you're manipulating things down here for the forces up there to do your bidding, you're seriously going to end up on their human course meal.

By shifting the blame onto the illuminatis (whoever they are) and not once acknowledge psychopathy and hyperdimensional realities, I don't think it helps anyone osit.
 
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