Grander Water ?

[birger]

This evening there was a tv programme, showing the effects of the socalled Grander water.
Ordinary water passes through a box containing some special water in a separate compartment.
This "revitalizes" the water with different kinds of positive effects.

A farmer and a gardener both explained how the water caused many positive effects.
The pigs were given the water and their health improved, the gardener dropped the use of chemicals worth 7000 $ as they were not required anymore.

So it seems that these Grander boxes, causes a positive effect on the water.

I have searched for info on this subject on the forum, but haven't found any posts.
If anyone has any comments on the subject I would appreciate it.

I am considering purchasing some form of water "revitalizing" device, so any recommendations on this would be great.


Birger

 

[eightfold]

Interesting stuff indeed. I've been doing some years of research on the issue through work in La Maná, Ecuador, where an ancient archaeological site (www(dot)humanresonance(dot)org/mana(dot)html) was found with a springwater of a purity unequaled elsewhere in the world. In fact, it contains practically no salt, yet has nanoparticles of silver and gold. This may relate to the Grander water effects noticed, which is similar to the ayurvedic Narasan technology available from Living Water Systems (Austria).

After these findings I spent a couple years looking into silver coilloid use in modern times, and discovered extensive experimentation has been done. It turns out that silver colloids with very fine nanoparticles of under 15nm is size are very very good for the body! They kill bacteria and attack viri, including the HIV-1 virus:

http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6

I have done experiments myself to test the silver colloids - on plants and animals. A cat and dog I tested will only drink colloids now when there's a choice, and even avoid untreated tapwater. As well, my friend is a farmer in Ecuador who has doubled the growth rates in his plants and trees using the technique.

So, I would suggest Grander water operates on this same resonance/conductivity principle, yet perhaps less effectively than silver colloids. I would recommend you listen to this lecture by inventor/Dr. Bob Beck (deceased) who even grew back dark hair in his 60s using silver colloids. His devices are great for making colloids and using biocurrents for healing - just go to Google video and search for 'Bob Beck'.

good luck!

 

[birger]

Sounds really interesting.
I will certainly look into this silver colloid and watch that video.

Thanks for your reply and recommendations.

 

[Tomiro]

My parents have a grander unit installed in their house. While it's hard to objectively tell what effects it has, only that the water feels softer, and tastes slightly better.

According to this site, the effect has more to do with forcing water to move rapidly through a spiral tube, and in the process it affects the PH and and OPR of it. http://www.h-minus-ion.org/Methods-to-modify-ORP-water-1.html

Others, as well as Grander himself, speak of "water memory", that gets activated from this living energized water in the unit. There just seems to be some secrecy exactly how this water is "energized", only that (according to their own website) it's supposed to make the water molecules more "stable" and keep them in a more "orderly state".

I haven't really researched any of these claims myself such as less bacterial growth, or say tested the water on plants or animals compared to normal water, to make up my mind about it. Only that the taste is "softer", even if you are only using a "grander pen" or something like that. Might look into this some more. Apart from grander there seems to be a plethora of these "special" activated / energized waters out there, but very little research, apart from some self-promotion to back up all the claims.

 

[Ageeva]

A couple of years ago when I moved into my present house I was thinking a lot about a water filtration system. I was aware of the possibilities of distillation, reverse osmosis and the grander water system. After doing a lot of research I decided to combine a grander unit with an RO system but I was presuaded not to go with the RO system by the Grander specialist I was dealing with here in Ireland. He convinced me that I would be taking all the good stuff out as well as the bad. He suggested fitting a sediment filter, a chlorine filter and the Grander unit. Although he was a very knowlegable man, he was an extraordinary water engineer and he gave me a five gallon drum of the most delicious water I've ever tasted ( he got it from a spring close to his home near the River Shannon), I still had my doubts about not going with RO and if I were to do it again today I would choose the Grander with the RO.
Although my filtered water tastes great I don't think I'm getting rid of the toxic heavy metals. As for Grander, well I was very enthusiastic at the time but because the company is so secretive about how it reenergises the water it can't be independently scientifically proven (and proving things scientifically is important to this forum and indeed the search for truth). There is indeed plenty of testimony about how it has reenergised dead pools of water and reduced the necessity of chlorinated water in hotel swimming pools to a third of prior usage but how it is actually done no one really knows outside of the Grander company. It does indeed soften water and improve the taste of beverages, I've tested this with my Grander pen.
But the Grander unit is very expensive, back in 2008 it cost me 1400 euros but I thought it was a lifetime investment for my health. It is I suppose but I'm still wishing i went for the RO unit as well. Unfortunately I'm stuck with what I have and can't afford a good RO unit at the moment. I also have a distillation unit I got in my previous rented apartment when I couldn't get a permanent filter fitted. It can distill 6 litres of water in under four hours but the water tastes horrible and it put me off distillation. Is this always the case or is it just my water? Honestly if water could taste dead my distilled water would be it. :)

 

[theos]

Is this always the case or is it just my water? Honestly if water could taste dead my distilled water would be it.

I have the same problem with my water distiller. I clean out the unit after each use but the water was still a yuck fest. I thought I had the problem licked at one point but it came back. There's always a film of gunk in the pan after the distiller runs so I'm turning off the unit before it completes (to decrease the uptake of gunk near the end of the cycle) and the taste has improved. I'm back to buying RO or oxygenated water for drinking now but I will use the distiller for cooking/rinsing/foot soaking/enemas until come up with something better.

 

[OrangeScorpion]

I'm back to buying RO or oxygenated water for drinking now but I will use the distiller for cooking/rinsing/foot soaking/enemas until come up with something better.

Is there any recommendation on the forum for distilled water?

I want to drink clean water but there are so many products, I don't know what is good and what is a scam.

 

[theos]

I'm back to buying RO or oxygenated water for drinking now but I will use the distiller for cooking/rinsing/foot soaking/enemas until come up with something better.

Is there any recommendation on the forum for distilled water?

I want to drink clean water but there are so many products, I don't know what is good and what is a scam.

Distilled water is okay. There are many mentions of it on the forum.

 

[Nienna]

My distiller provides good tasting water, or so I think.

And, of course, there is gunk on the bottom of the unit, it is all of the gunk that has been left behind while the water is turned to steam. The stuff left over does not turn to steam and so it stays in the tank.

I've also been adding about 2/3 teaspoon of baking soda to the water so it is not so acidic. It tastes very good.

 

[Ageeva]

My distiller provides good tasting water, or so I think.

And, of course, there is gunk on the bottom of the unit, it is all of the gunk that has been left behind while the water is turned to steam. The stuff left over does not turn to steam and so it stays in the tank.

I've also been adding about 2/3 teaspoon of baking soda to the water so it is not so acidic. It tastes very good.

That's what confuses me Nienna Eluch, after the gunk is separated, my distilled water should taste fine. I'll try it again and add the baking soda, hopefully i can get to the bottom of the mystery. Mind you, with the water shutoffs we've been experiencing in Ireland since the big chill set in, to get any water is a blessing :)

 

[Nienna]

My distiller provides good tasting water, or so I think.

And, of course, there is gunk on the bottom of the unit, it is all of the gunk that has been left behind while the water is turned to steam. The stuff left over does not turn to steam and so it stays in the tank.

I've also been adding about 2/3 teaspoon of baking soda to the water so it is not so acidic. It tastes very good.

That's what confuses me Nienna Eluch, after the gunk is separated, my distilled water should taste fine. I'll try it again and add the baking soda, hopefully i can get to the bottom of the mystery. Mind you, with the water shutoffs we've been experiencing in Ireland since the big chill set in, to get any water is a blessing :)

Just to clarify about the baking soda since I was not totally concise. After I've poured the water into my 1 gal. (about 4 liters) glass container, I then add the baking soda.

I don't know what to say about the water not tasting good. Maybe you are so used to the "stuff" that's in your water now that you have become accustomed to it and anything else tastes bad? I dunno.

 

[David]

In a book called ‘the healing energies of magnets’ by a Roger Coghill there’s a case study mentioned.

Alex Zrimec from Ljubljana’s Bion laboratory, Slovenia reported in 1998 that watering seedlings with magnetized water improves their germination rate.

He also found that seedling growth could be impaired by using water that had been exposed to alternating electric fields.

If I recall correctly, Telsa also had a similar idea but he called it, ‘electrified water’ for plants…

 

[thorbiorn]

A couple of years ago when I moved into my present house I was thinking a lot about a water filtration system. I was aware of the possibilities of distillation, reverse osmosis and the grander water system. After doing a lot of research I decided to combine a grander unit with an RO system but I was presuaded not to go with the RO system by the Grander specialist I was dealing with here in Ireland. He convinced me that I would be taking all the good stuff out as well as the bad. He suggested fitting a sediment filter, a chlorine filter and the Grander unit. Although he was a very knowlegable man, he was an extraordinary water engineer and he gave me a five gallon drum of the most delicious water I've ever tasted ( he got it from a spring close to his home near the River Shannon), I still had my doubts about not going with RO and if I were to do it again today I would choose the Grander with the RO.
Although my filtered water tastes great I don't think I'm getting rid of the toxic heavy metals. As for Grander, well I was very enthusiastic at the time but because the company is so secretive about how it reenergises the water it can't be independently scientifically proven (and proving things scientifically is important to this forum and indeed the search for truth). There is indeed plenty of testimony about how it has reenergised dead pools of water and reduced the necessity of chlorinated water in hotel swimming pools to a third of prior usage but how it is actually done no one really knows outside of the Grander company. It does indeed soften water and improve the taste of beverages, I've tested this with my Grander pen.
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Yes, it is a wonder how it works. I came accross two videos. One is from 2003 and tells the history behind inventor of the Grander products: _

Johann "John" Grander - The Waterman of Tirol - Inventor of Revitalized Water Has anyone made new experiences or tried it to reduce algae growth in a pool?
The other video is _

The Mystery of Water - What we know is a drop.
Knowing what the C's have said about water this is an interesting video, and many scientists are interviewed. The link for the comany is The page of the company is https://www(.)grander(.)com/

 

[Altair]

Distilled water is okay. There are many mentions of it on the forum.

The best way would be to install reverse osmosis filter, if affordable, since it's more energy saving and can produce much more water at the same period of time.

 

[Gaby]

Here's another video which covers Grander revitalized water among other things:

The other inventions (mainly from Russia and Austria) are water purifying systems or antenna-like structures that reduce humidity in old houses. Apparently the Russian water invention is being used in hospitals in Moscow to minimize the use of cleaning chemicals. And the "antenna" which grounds humidity and thus reduces it, is being used in monasteries, churches and wine cellars with success.

One Russian scientist is asked to give his estimation about how Grander revitalized water works. Even though he doesn't mention Pollack's structured water, he speculates that it increases the size of structures in the water. Other Russian scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences take seriously the "antenna-like" properties of water which draws energy "from the cosmos" and they use symbols in copper plates to increase these properties.

According to the documentary, some of this water research was sent to Nature for publication but because the experimenters didn't consent for the verification of the experiment in an independent lab, it didn't pass publication standards and was thus rejected.

In addition, a Russian scientist from Lomonosov Moscow State University tested radioactive levels in water which were supposed to be decreased by Grander revitalized water, and he showed that it didn't work. The water was still radioactive. It made me wonder how much the belief center was at play here, or if it is just a scam. Though apparently it is well documented how Grander revitalized water tastes better and there is less need of using cleaning chemical products with it.