Gray State
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Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
I think the voice-over is saying 'preview'. It wasn't meant for public release... but now that the film-maker's been suicided, someone decided to leak it.
Yeh, it's pretty standard fare for American revolutionary thought. It got me thinking about 'revolutionary ideologies'.
The American, libertarian critical approach to the global situation sees the problem as follows:
Whereas European/Eurasian critical approaches sees the problem the other way around:
The American revolutionary is encouraged to uphold his individualism (‘god-given rights’), while the Eastern revolutionary must be warned against his dissolution into a defenceless, atomized unit. Whatever their express ideologies/narratives, both can find and recognize each other's plight in the middle ground. The American revolutionary is forced to recognize the inherent collectivism of people all sharing the same ideals/worldview coming together, while the Easterner – no matter how bound he is to an historical collective identity (his community, church, ethnicity, etc) – also recognizes the sanctity of an individual’s life.
So, what happens here? Do both revolutionary perspectives cancel each other out and count for nothing? I don't think so. I think they’re both seeing the same essential thing: powerful forces of ‘globalization’ that would ‘liberate’ and ‘democratize’ people by atomizing them, then moulding them into a totalitarian ‘New World Order’ collective (heck, let's call it 'Socialist' if that makes the Americans happy), whose thin veneer of ‘liberal democratic principles’ fools neither side.
I think these different perspectives of the same problem is the result of each sides’ cultural programming, owing – according to Dugin and the Eurasianists – to underlying ‘civilizational differences’.
I think the voice-over is saying 'preview'. It wasn't meant for public release... but now that the film-maker's been suicided, someone decided to leak it.
clerck de bonk said:
Yeh, it's pretty standard fare for American revolutionary thought. It got me thinking about 'revolutionary ideologies'.
The American, libertarian critical approach to the global situation sees the problem as follows:
Whereas European/Eurasian critical approaches sees the problem the other way around:
The American revolutionary is encouraged to uphold his individualism (‘god-given rights’), while the Eastern revolutionary must be warned against his dissolution into a defenceless, atomized unit. Whatever their express ideologies/narratives, both can find and recognize each other's plight in the middle ground. The American revolutionary is forced to recognize the inherent collectivism of people all sharing the same ideals/worldview coming together, while the Easterner – no matter how bound he is to an historical collective identity (his community, church, ethnicity, etc) – also recognizes the sanctity of an individual’s life.
So, what happens here? Do both revolutionary perspectives cancel each other out and count for nothing? I don't think so. I think they’re both seeing the same essential thing: powerful forces of ‘globalization’ that would ‘liberate’ and ‘democratize’ people by atomizing them, then moulding them into a totalitarian ‘New World Order’ collective (heck, let's call it 'Socialist' if that makes the Americans happy), whose thin veneer of ‘liberal democratic principles’ fools neither side.
I think these different perspectives of the same problem is the result of each sides’ cultural programming, owing – according to Dugin and the Eurasianists – to underlying ‘civilizational differences’.
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
It doesn't sound like "preview" to me, more like "dual beat" or "Juel beet" or " jewel bait". But it is probably not of much significance whatever it is. The words could be something that would have been removed from the preview or early draft for the final edit, along with making some of those difficult to read captions bigger (e.g. the light blue ones on a blue background) and removing the "where is this?" captions from the bottom right. 2:01:32 is an example of where the words are quite prominent and easy to hear.
I have watched some more of the film. 49 minutes in is a good place to start for looking at the film's treatment of the psychology of militarism. Soldiers are indoctrinated into a military mind-set that makes them a good tool of the state, and the public is indoctrinated into accepting war through the media (which rarely shows, for example, coffins of soldiers being unloaded of returning planes). The militarization of the police force is also presented well I think.
Niall said:
It doesn't sound like "preview" to me, more like "dual beat" or "Juel beet" or " jewel bait". But it is probably not of much significance whatever it is. The words could be something that would have been removed from the preview or early draft for the final edit, along with making some of those difficult to read captions bigger (e.g. the light blue ones on a blue background) and removing the "where is this?" captions from the bottom right. 2:01:32 is an example of where the words are quite prominent and easy to hear.
I have watched some more of the film. 49 minutes in is a good place to start for looking at the film's treatment of the psychology of militarism. Soldiers are indoctrinated into a military mind-set that makes them a good tool of the state, and the public is indoctrinated into accepting war through the media (which rarely shows, for example, coffins of soldiers being unloaded of returning planes). The militarization of the police force is also presented well I think.
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
I finished watching the film last night. My impressions are that it is/was an honest attempt to nudge or push awareness of the viewers to the economic underpinning of the 'bad stuff' happening in the world. Though there was an interesting clip of Adam kokesh (of Adam vs the Man) [thought to be controlled opposition by some, and I tend to lean that direction myself] , at around the halfway point, basically saying Americans are overcome by tribalism (which is somewhat true, to a point) - interesting commentary, coming from a member of THE tribalistic subset of humanity at large.
My $.02
Kris
I finished watching the film last night. My impressions are that it is/was an honest attempt to nudge or push awareness of the viewers to the economic underpinning of the 'bad stuff' happening in the world. Though there was an interesting clip of Adam kokesh (of Adam vs the Man) [thought to be controlled opposition by some, and I tend to lean that direction myself] , at around the halfway point, basically saying Americans are overcome by tribalism (which is somewhat true, to a point) - interesting commentary, coming from a member of THE tribalistic subset of humanity at large.
My $.02
Kris
Minas Tirith
Jedi Council Member
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
It's "Jewelbeat", royalty free background music, see here: http://www.jewelbeat.com/
I guess you get the music/beat for free, but have to endure the voice.
Medical examiner ruled murder-suicide, by the way.
Thanks, very interesting.
America is a relatively young culture, where individualism is still remembered, since it played a big part in the whole colonization. I wonder if civilizations go through cycles here, so that the European approach is just a different stage of "development".
M.T.
Mal7 said:
It's "Jewelbeat", royalty free background music, see here: http://www.jewelbeat.com/
I guess you get the music/beat for free, but have to endure the voice.
Medical examiner ruled murder-suicide, by the way.
Niall said:
Thanks, very interesting.
Niall said:
America is a relatively young culture, where individualism is still remembered, since it played a big part in the whole colonization. I wonder if civilizations go through cycles here, so that the European approach is just a different stage of "development".
M.T.
GAIA
Jedi
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
I was checking on the net to find some new info on this case, and reading the comments after one of the articles ( _http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/01/21/authorities-release-ids-in-apple-valley-murder-suicide/) I see that all those that posted (beside one person) absolutely don't believe that Crowley killed his wife, child and then committed suicide.
Here's a few comments...
and here taken from a forum where there is a man named Mac that was deployed with him in Germany _http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2t5u4f/a/ :
It seems that all of his friends think it was murder. There are reports that say he was weeks from releasing the film, and others that also say that the the back sliding door was found ajar. Anyway, it doesn't add up. He seemed close to finally finish his work that he had been working on long and hard, and to throw it all away and murder his family seems really bizarre to me.
I was checking on the net to find some new info on this case, and reading the comments after one of the articles ( _http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/01/21/authorities-release-ids-in-apple-valley-murder-suicide/) I see that all those that posted (beside one person) absolutely don't believe that Crowley killed his wife, child and then committed suicide.
Here's a few comments...
and here taken from a forum where there is a man named Mac that was deployed with him in Germany _http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2t5u4f/a/ :
It seems that all of his friends think it was murder. There are reports that say he was weeks from releasing the film, and others that also say that the the back sliding door was found ajar. Anyway, it doesn't add up. He seemed close to finally finish his work that he had been working on long and hard, and to throw it all away and murder his family seems really bizarre to me.
Leonarda
Jedi
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
Thanks GAIA for the link, I also downloaded it (just in case) I have not had enough time to watch it yet, but I will put my thoughts here when I do. Just a comment: not only they most likely killed them (child included
) but they also want to make the father appear as a murderer. How unfair.
Thanks GAIA for the link, I also downloaded it (just in case) I have not had enough time to watch it yet, but I will put my thoughts here when I do. Just a comment: not only they most likely killed them (child included
) but they also want to make the father appear as a murderer. How unfair.
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
[quote author= MT]
It's "Jewelbeat", royalty free background music, see here: http://www.jewelbeat.com/
I guess you get the music/beat for free, but have to endure the voice. [/quote]
Yep! Now that you told us, I can hear it is 'jewelbeat'.
It did occur to me that it could be a marker of sorts for editing, but a jewry conspiracy was so much more fun. Mystery solved. Thanks M.T. 
[quote author= MT]
It's "Jewelbeat", royalty free background music, see here: http://www.jewelbeat.com/
I guess you get the music/beat for free, but have to endure the voice. [/quote]
Yep! Now that you told us, I can hear it is 'jewelbeat'.
It did occur to me that it could be a marker of sorts for editing, but a jewry conspiracy was so much more fun. Mystery solved. Thanks M.T. angelburst29
The Living Force
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
A site has been set up for David Crowley on Facebook with additional commentary.
Justice for David Crowley of Gray State
https://www.facebook.com/justicefordavidcrowley
A site has been set up for David Crowley on Facebook with additional commentary.
Justice for David Crowley of Gray State
https://www.facebook.com/justicefordavidcrowley
cubbex
The Living Force
Grey State - Director found dead
So apparently there was a movie being done, that basically describes the probable (and very probable perhaps) future of the United States.
Trailer
http://youtu.be/Gy7FVXERKFE
It appears the director along with his family, David Crowley army veteran, has been found dead.
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/20/david-crowley-army-veteran-and-gray-state-movie-writerdirector-and-family-found-dead/
I think soon s* is gonna hit the fan.
Mod note: Link to disinfo site deactivated.
So apparently there was a movie being done, that basically describes the probable (and very probable perhaps) future of the United States.
Trailer
http://youtu.be/Gy7FVXERKFE
It appears the director along with his family, David Crowley army veteran, has been found dead.
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/20/david-crowley-army-veteran-and-gray-state-movie-writerdirector-and-family-found-dead/
I think soon s* is gonna hit the fan.
Mod note: Link to disinfo site deactivated.
Yes, Sott.net covered it here:
'Gray State' filmmaker and his family found dead in 'apparent murder-suicide' in Minnesota
Holocaust 2.0: Welcome to the jungle
'Gray State' filmmaker and his family found dead in 'apparent murder-suicide' in Minnesota
Holocaust 2.0: Welcome to the jungle
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
This isn't the film that was originally advertised. This is a documentary called 'Grey State - The Rise'. Unless I'm mistaken, it seems like several YouTube users are uploading the video and claiming that it's the film that got David Crowley suicided.
The 'Gray State' official website shows the trailer here:
_http://graystatemovie.com/
GAIA said:
This isn't the film that was originally advertised. This is a documentary called 'Grey State - The Rise'. Unless I'm mistaken, it seems like several YouTube users are uploading the video and claiming that it's the film that got David Crowley suicided.
The 'Gray State' official website shows the trailer here:
_http://graystatemovie.com/
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
Indeed, 'Gray State - The Rise' is getting passed around as the official 'Gray State' movie. However, GS never moved beyond the trailer stage, so it's definitely not the same thing. From what I can gather, 'The Rise' was meant to detail how America developed into the 'Gray State'. Kind of like the Silmarillion for Lord of the Rings.
It appears to me that David did commit suicide out of financial desperation coupled with his very unpleasant view of the world in which there really wasn't any hope left. The only evidence I could find even suggesting something fishy was that the back sliding glass door was 'slightly ajar' (that could be explained by them leaving it open for the dog, which was still alive and is now living with David's brother) and no one reported hearing gunshots from what I read even though the houses are very close together (though I hear gunshots on occasion and don't say anything to police so that doesn't necessarily mean anything).
Immersion said:
Indeed, 'Gray State - The Rise' is getting passed around as the official 'Gray State' movie. However, GS never moved beyond the trailer stage, so it's definitely not the same thing. From what I can gather, 'The Rise' was meant to detail how America developed into the 'Gray State'. Kind of like the Silmarillion for Lord of the Rings.
It appears to me that David did commit suicide out of financial desperation coupled with his very unpleasant view of the world in which there really wasn't any hope left. The only evidence I could find even suggesting something fishy was that the back sliding glass door was 'slightly ajar' (that could be explained by them leaving it open for the dog, which was still alive and is now living with David's brother) and no one reported hearing gunshots from what I read even though the houses are very close together (though I hear gunshots on occasion and don't say anything to police so that doesn't necessarily mean anything).
Re: anti-government-filmmaker-and-family-found dead
The trailer for "Gray State" (the movie) looks like it is the trailer for a dramatized story set in a near-future Gray State. The trailer looks like it has high production standards, and completing the whole movie would require a far more substantial amount of funding ($1 million to several million dollars?).
"Gray State - The Rise" seems to be a "talking-head" type documentary which, while taking much time and effort to put together, could have been done on a very small shoestring budget.A Jay said:
The trailer for "Gray State" (the movie) looks like it is the trailer for a dramatized story set in a near-future Gray State. The trailer looks like it has high production standards, and completing the whole movie would require a far more substantial amount of funding ($1 million to several million dollars?).
Minas Tirith
Jedi Council Member
Wow, this is a real movie (with actors and all)...
There are a couple of "hits" for the C's in there: Travel suspensions and implanted microchips (?) for scanning your wrist when shopping to name a few.
Pretty daring to wave all the FEMA shields into the camera.
No, I don't think it was a murder/suicide
M.T.
There are a couple of "hits" for the C's in there: Travel suspensions and implanted microchips (?) for scanning your wrist when shopping to name a few.
Pretty daring to wave all the FEMA shields into the camera.
No, I don't think it was a murder/suicide
M.T.