Greek enforcers - question

[palestine]

Hello everyone,

I'm currently reading Alfred North Whitehead, a British scholar from the beginning of the last century who sought to revisit modern science, especially "natural science", because of inconsistencies.

He traces its shortcomings to the Greeks, who allegedly operated with too few (too restrictive) considerations while developing "the discipline of science." The same was apparently true for philosophy and other "systems of organizing thought."

I remembered the concept of "Greek enforcers" and watched the sessions. It turns out that they were mentioned, first and foremost, to explain that astrology had strangely disappeared from Greek intellectual systems—even though they had a theoretical basis.

Session 26 July 1997

Q: Why was astrology absent from the myths of ancient Greece?

A: Not absent, “Stalinized.”

Q: What does that mean?

A: Soviets removed Stalin from the history books when he fell from popularity. So, Greeks, Astrology... “Stalinized”...

Q: Why?

A: Deadly secrets would be revealed.

(…)

Q: You once said that the Bible was written by Greek enforcers, and now you have just said that the myths were Stalinized. It also struck me that there were no ghosts or spirits in the Greek texts. These texts portray the Greeks as worshippers of the physical world. They were astonished at Pythagoras’ belief in reincarnation...

A: You have been reading altered texts.

This was done by Greek enforcers, a kind of FBI of the time.

Session 7 November 1994

Q: (L) Who wrote the book of Matthew?

A: Greek enforcers.

Q: (L) What are Greek enforcers?

A: Like your FBI.

Q: (L) Who wrote the book of Mark?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Luke and John?

A: Same?

Q: (L) Acts?

A: Same?

Q: (L) Are any books of the New Testament written by who they claim to be written by?

A: No. Remember this is 70% propaganda.

Q: (L) Is 30% then the truth or the actual teachings?

A: Close. Enough you must decipher from instinct through meditation.

I remember reading a very interesting article on the phenomenon of the disappearance of Greek astrology, written by Laura. Furthermore, the forum has also directed a lot of efforts towards the study of the whole aspect of the gospels.

As mentioned above, Alfred Whitehead's writings highlight strange deficiencies, this time concerning science, philosophy (and others) - which could well be explained by a similar phenomenon.

Without the data from the C's, we would be reduced to considering the Greeks as "low-level intellectuals", even though they would have produced the disciplines to come - but seriously deficient ones. That's what A. Whitehead found out. Greek ideas were subsequently taken up and tweaked by Darwin and others, resulting today in an overly narrow mainstream model (matter, dogmatism, etc).

It appears from the C's sessions that an objective intellectual production took place: the question then becomes, "What happened to it?"

• We (as well as some researchers, chronologically situated between the Greeks and the contemporary era) have only inherited "corrected" texts to rely on.
• I also see the problem linked to the integration of erroneous data: the Greeks apparently created erroneous systems. How could this be possible, given that they possessed reliable knowledge (e.g., astrology)?

I can't reconcile these last two points. Something did happen, and it seems that FBI censorship was the problem. But how could people who knew things have ensured that only reduced versions appeared? Their studies concern aspects of the study of reality - but it vanished, in favour of second-hand concepts, later used as basis for our modern disciplines.

I hope the reader understands my interrogations!

I would like to take advantage of this message to ask the forum if the "Greek enforcer" aspect, already studied with regard to astrology and the gospels, would have been raised in a thread, about science and philosophy? It seems to me that these two disciplines have undergone the same process.

Thank you in advance!

 

[palestine]

I did some research.

In one thread, the Caesar-post-Caesar chronology is mentioned, as follows:

Caesar, as we know, was a great man. Someone so illustrious and so humane that he is said to have allowed a spiritual structure to anchor itself on Earth. After his death, we find Paul, a man who is said to have established this spirituality as a religion. This makes sense, because there would be something to cultivate. Could be that Caesar brought an STO frequency to Earth through his reign.

And then things got out of hand, and the emperor (Justinian) who came after Caesar ruined everything.

Were 460 years added to the official chronology?

The years before the advent of the Plague of Justinian were marked by the worst tyranny imaginable.

The Nikka riots ca. 532 AD might illustrate the deleterious socio-political context under Justinian’s reign.

Only four years later, a cometary event ca. 536 AD and its consequences, including the Plague of Justinian almost obliterated Europe.

during the 6th century A.D., any kind of human activity beyond basic survival vanished. Furthermore, between the 7th and the 9th centuries, human activity in the Roman Empire was virtually inexistent

civilization re-emerged around 800 AD with a renewed vitality. This period of blooming cultural activity is called the Carolingian Renaissance

During this period, there was an increase of literature, writing, the arts, architecture, jurisprudence, liturgical reforms, and scriptural studies

The moral revival that marked the Carolingian Renaissance was centered on Christianity in general and on Constantine in particular

A number of authors, ..., doubt the historicity of Charlemagne and argue that he was a mythical figure modeled after historical Constantine

In other words, Constantine’s legacy was to grant supreme temporal and spiritual power to the Church, and its main proof was a forgery

this gave plenty of ‘time’ to establish a whole genealogy of Popes and Saints, dozens of which, incidentally, have been proven to be mythical.

It was only during the 16th Century – a full 1,000 years later – that the level of industrial activity prior to the fall of Rome would be once more attained

That's what brought me the above simple picture.

I recently came across the following sessions:

Session 23 August 2001

Q: (L) Now, I have a little problem with my writing. First of all, did the eruption of Thera occur in 1627 BC or thereabouts?

A: Close.

…

Q: (L) ...Thera blew and forty years later, the comets came.

...

Q: (L) Well, about 40 years after that there was the comet cluster, in 1588 BC, correct?

A: Yes.

...

Q: (L) ... the passage of the comet cluster, between 1627 BC and 1588 BC - dramatic events which is what enabled that particular drama to take place...

A: Yes.

Greeks, we now know, suffered from a similar cataclysmic event sequence.

I was wondering if it would be wise to transpose the date differences, as for the Romans?

A bit, in another session, caught my attention:

Cassiopaean Session Transcripts Search

Q: (L) Is it so that, at a certain period, Egypt was in the north of France and also the other countries; did they ever exist as the author describes them with the names he gives them?

A: Around 2200 BC

Greeks, we are told, were skilled intellectuals. I don't remember Plato's Cave explicitly mentioning Egypt as being in northern Europe. This may be explained by the fact that censorship agents ("Greek enforcers") would have altered certain "documents".

Session 26 July 1997

Q: Why was astrology absent from the myths of ancient Greece?

A: Not absent, “Stalinized.”

Q: What does that mean?

A: Soviets removed Stalin from the history books when he fell from popularity. So, Greeks, Astrology... “Stalinized”...

Q: Why?

A: Deadly secrets would be revealed.

(…)

Q: You once said that the Bible was written by Greek enforcers, and now you have just said that the myths were Stalinized. It also struck me that there were no ghosts or spirits in the Greek texts. These texts portray the Greeks as worshippers of the physical world. They were astonished at Pythagoras’ belief in reincarnation...

A: You have been reading altered texts.

I would first see a date that marks the re-emergence of civilization, then a date that marks that civilization would have recovered. The second phase corresponds to classical Greece:

Ancient Greece - Wikipedia

• Greek Dark Ages (1100 BC–750 BC)
• Archaic Greece (800 BC–480 BC)
• Classical Greece (500 BC–323 BC) here
• Hellenistic Greece (323 BC–31 BC)
• Roman Greece (146 BC–330 AD)

And we find various intellectuals:

• Thales - born 625-620 B.C.
• Phytagore – born 580 B.C.
• Plato – born 428 / 427 B.C.
• Aristotle – born 384 B.C.

John William Navin SULLIVAN - “Limitations of science”

It is not until we reach the Greeks that we find science emerging as an autonomous activity. It is not until then, in fact, that we find anything that we can call the scientific spirit.

The Greeks appear to have been the first people with whom this feeling became a passion. They wanted to know—for the sake of knowing. All their predecessors, it seems, like so many of their successors, belonged to the type which asks ‘What is the use of it ?’ It really seems as if the human consciousness, with the rise of the ancient Greeks, took a genuine leap forward. An unexampled freedom of the mind was born. This was a necessary condition for science to come into the world.

John William Navin SULLIVAN - “Limitations of science”

Thales observed that there is a cycle in nature, a cycle of air, earth and water through the bodies of plants and animals to air, earth and water again. He also observed that the food of plants and animals is moist, and was led to conclude that all things are composed of water in various stages of condensation or rarefaction.

The Greeks seem to have been impressed chiefly by the densities and forms of the various kinds of matter. Thus they classified matter into four elements which, given in order of decreasing density, are earth, water, air, fire, for they regarded fire as a rarer and more refined form of air. Since the essential difference between these elements was regarded as one of density, it was natural to take one of them as primordial and to derive the others from it

John William Navin SULLIVAN - “Limitations of science”

In another respect, also, the Greeks were unique. They seem to have been the first people with a thorough grasp of the nature of mathematical reasoning. The land-surveying formulae of the Egyptians gave rise, in the hands of the Greeks, to a deductive geometry. This was an immensely important step forward. Mathematical reasoning, the most powerful of man’s intellectual instruments, was created.

Overwhelmed by the almost magical power of this new instrument, the Greeks thought that in mathematics they had discovered the key to all things. To the Pythagoreans, in particular, number was the principle of all things. Everything, whether physical properties or moral qualities, was manifestations of number.

This outlook has played a very large part in the development of science.

If a complete mathematical description of the world could be given it is felt that science would be complete. But is there any a priori reason to suppose that the universe must be the kind of thing that can be described mathematically?

But whatever basis of truth there may be in the Pythagorean outlook, it is certain that they greatly exaggerated the significance of mathematics. Nevertheless a modified form of this outlook, after many fruitless centuries had elapsed, contributed very powerfully towards the origin and development of the modem scientific movement.

Alfred North WHITEHEAD - “Adventures of ideas”

Plato drew the conclusion that the key to the understanding of the natural world, and in particular of the physical elements, was the study of mathematics.

Thus with Plato and Aristotle, a new epoch commences. Science acquires the cleansing of logical and mathematical lucidity.

Alfred North WHITEHEAD - “The concept of nature“

I am now concerned with the origin of the scientific doctrine of matter in Greek thought. In the Timaeus Plato asserts that nature is made of fire and earth with air and water as intermediate between them, so that as fire is to air so is air to water, and as air is to water so is water to earth.’ He also suggests a molecular hypothesis for these four elements.

I can provide more data, and these last excerpts are to illustrate a basic problem, present around these Greeks which would be related to the period of "stabilization of civilization".

Here, we have thinkers who produce a specific discourse: it is not perfect, and it will lead the entire way of thinking of future generations to certain structural errors.Later, these ideas will be taken up by Darwin, Galileo, Copernicus, and others.

By the way, if you look at Caesar's chart, civilization is finally stable in the 16th century:

This is precisely where we find "great thinkers" who took up the ideas of the classical Greeks.

John William Navin SULLIVAN - “Limitations of science”

Scientific method, as we see from the work of its founders, Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, began by quite consciously and deliberately selecting and abstracting from the total elements of our experience. From the total wealth of impressions received from nature these men fastened upon some only as being suitable for scientific formulation.

It is therefore strange to observe that after the recovery phase of a civilization, due to terrible cataclysms - we find "the biased Greek models".

This is probably a coincidence.

Comparing Caesar and the Greeks suggests that there might have been a Christ before the Thera episode. We find the Egyptians there, if I'm not mistaken.

A. Whitehead and J. Sullivan explain that the classical Greeks relied too heavily on mathematics, and that this was a source of error. Of course, that's what the texts say. It's possible that the Greek enforcers changed everything.

If this weren't the case, we might observe Egyptians who were really "strong in maths" (on a spiritual level?), and then a cataclysm, and then a revival of civilization (cf "Caesar and the Carolingians"), which incorporates the old elements of success—but—tweaked, in a structure of mass STS control.

 

[T.C.]

I can't reconcile these last two points. Something did happen, and it seems that FBI censorship was the problem. But how could people who knew things have ensured that only reduced versions appeared? Their studies concern aspects of the study of reality - but it vanished, in favour of second-hand concepts, later used as basis for our modern disciplines.

I don’t have much to add about the Greek enforcers. Having read Laura’s book From Paul to Mark, I have to wonder if the C’s were using the descriptor ‘Greek’ in a loose or symbolic way.

But on the topic of how we can end up now with only altered texts, one of the things that frustrates me about trying to trace historical threads is the Carolingian bottleneck. Most of the earliest manuscripts we have for historical documents date from the time of Charlemagne, around 800AD. The ostensible reasons for this are that before that time, there was no standardised alphabet and the materials that documents were written on were too perishable. So the purported Charlemagne being such a lover of the arts and sciences had the scribes of that time create a standardised text, and they spent their time copying old documents into the new format. In terms of its significance, we’re talking about an era of production of documents on par with the invention of the printing press.

But what a problem it creates for us. So much of what we think of as history can only be traced back as far as that time. We can only take the works of those scribes as evidence for so much of what is said to have happened before then. How on Earth can we have trust in recorded history when, for all we know, most of it could simply have been invented by them?

 

[palestine]

Thank you!

I don’t have much to add about the Greek enforcers. Having read Laura’s book From Paul to Mark, I have to wonder if the C’s were using the descriptor ‘Greek’ in a loose or symbolic way.

Seems to be a recurring phenomenon - could be, not absolutely related to "Greeks". My previous post hints at Greek themselves as being victim of such process.

And, that's amazing to see that Egyptians "lurk" right in the Greek equation. We would have Egypt, a genuine empire, vanishing in the benefit of "Greeks" & Greece.

If I remember correctly, the whole Byzance thing was kind of embed in those 460 years of artificial history. No Byzance and all those Byzantine emperors, because there was a dark age.

And given that all of this byzantine package was a matter of the Eastern Roman empire - Greece would be in midst of it...

Greece emerges, at the horizon, and the artificial Byzantine thing would add up to its legitimacy. Later, Greece becomes the main polarization, the main protagonist.

"And so, Greece became the new gravitational location for the world"

I am not a crack in those matters, so I may be very wrong in the above takes. I am happy to see that there is a thread about Troy.

But on the topic of how we can end up now with only altered texts, one of the things that frustrates me about trying to trace historical threads is the Carolingian bottleneck.

How do you deal with this? I mean, do you even study it?

 

[T.C.]

How do you deal with this? I mean, do you even study it?

I do. I study philosophy and history in my spare time, but it's more to try to help me understand where we've ended up here and now - philosophically, ideologically and geopolitically - as opposed to getting to the absolute truth about what actually happened in the past.

 

[Wandering Star]

I establish the following relationship on the matter.

Atlantis, people of Belial and people of the One, war and cataclysms, reorganization of both factions on the surface, underground refuge and pact, some at the south pole and others at the north pole, surface work with "deep punctuators", instructions sent from the north to the Greek oracle with instructions and field work by subordinate personnel.

From there to the monumental mess of secret societies today.

I would roughly relate the Greek executioners to the agents of the underground people of one or both factions.

Just an idea.

 

[Jones]

It appears from the C's sessions that an objective intellectual production took place: the question then becomes, "What happened to it?"

• We (as well as some researchers, chronologically situated between the Greeks and the contemporary era) have only inherited "corrected" texts to rely on.
• I also see the problem linked to the integration of erroneous data: the Greeks apparently created erroneous systems. How could this be possible, given that they possessed reliable knowledge (e.g., astrology)?

I can't reconcile these last two points. Something did happen, and it seems that FBI censorship was the problem. But how could people who knew things have ensured that only reduced versions appeared? Their studies concern aspects of the study of reality - but it vanished, in favour of second-hand concepts, later used as basis for our modern disciplines.

I hope the reader understands my interrogations!

I would like to take advantage of this message to ask the forum if the "Greek enforcer" aspect, already studied with regard to astrology and the gospels, would have been raised in a thread, about science and philosophy? It seems to me that these two disciplines have undergone the same process.

Thank you in advance!

Yeah, I think science and philosophy have probably undergone a similar process, and the two points that you've made are possibly reconciled by the idea of the need to control and exploit the population - which to my mind is probably very difficult without misinformation or propaganda which leads to the development of 'erroneous systems' that you speak of when true information is either hidden, destroyed and/or forgotten.

 

[iamthatis]

It appears from the C's sessions that an objective intellectual production took place: the question then becomes, "What happened to it?"

• We (as well as some researchers, chronologically situated between the Greeks and the contemporary era) have only inherited "corrected" texts to rely on.
• I also see the problem linked to the integration of erroneous data: the Greeks apparently created erroneous systems. How could this be possible, given that they possessed reliable knowledge (e.g., astrology)?

I can't reconcile these last two points. Something did happen, and it seems that FBI censorship was the problem. But how could people who knew things have ensured that only reduced versions appeared? Their studies concern aspects of the study of reality - but it vanished, in favour of second-hand concepts, later used as basis for our modern disciplines.

I hope the reader understands my interrogations!

I would like to take advantage of this message to ask the forum if the "Greek enforcer" aspect, already studied with regard to astrology and the gospels, would have been raised in a thread, about science and philosophy? It seems to me that these two disciplines have undergone the same process.

Thank you in advance!

You may find it interesting to listen to the interviews with Russel Gmirkin. They provide an overview of his research, which questions the Old Testament as we know it as an historical document. The evidence suggests that the OT is a total fabrication, or in the terms of Lobaczewski, the OT is a spellbinding ideology of a psychopathic elite. In terms of the C's, the psychos were probably inspired to do this at the behest of the world's ruling demons.

The information in the OT was presented as truth, the back-projected into history, giving the early Jews a new (and very violent) identity, culture, history, and destiny. Specifically, all of these 'treasures' were understood to be divinely given and must be accepted or obeyed upon the pain of death. Once the story gets rolled out, after one or two generations of intense indoctrination, this operating system is fully installed in a given people, and it becomes the substrate of the entire worldview. Anything not sanctioned by the ideology is heresy - that would include science and philosophy being subject to intense control.

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So that's the basic template, and I think it has occurred over and over in history. This template comes from Plato, who wrote (probably stealing from others) that it's the only way to create a functional political body - to make sure that a lie, or a set of lies, is the substrate of the entire worldview of the society in question.

Specifically relating this to your question about the fabrication or redaction of Greek science and philosophy, Laura wrote in Comets and the Horns of Moses that there are glimmers of objective truth of our hyperdimensional existence in some Greek historical writings - but not much. Or, true to form in this kind of psychopathic reality creation, there is only just enough truth to package the lies, to make them palatable. What did survive of Greek philosophy and science was likely fabricated, plagiarized or heavily redacted in a way similar to the OT:

Session 18 May 2024​

Q: (Ryan) Did Plato engage in sexual activity with minors, as both Cleckley and Laura surmised?

A: Yes

Q: (Ryan) If yes, how much did that contribute to the reason his work seems to have escaped censorship throughout Western history, unlike that of many greater Greek thinkers?

A: Yes, a lot.

Q: (L) So, it contributed a lot to the survival of his work.

(Ryan) How much, as a percentage of Plato's surviving work, did he plagiarize from others?

A: 80 percent.

Q: (L) So, he wasn't so creative after all, eh? [laughter]

(Niall) And we're all living in Plato's Republic!

 

[palestine]

Hello, and thank you all very much for your answers and for your interest and participation! I am discovering something and it is beneficial to benefit from different points of view.

For example, @T.C. is decisive and explains that for him, the interest lies first and foremost in not focusing too much on the "historical 3D aspect", and that the work counts above all. I think that is correct but that it is very difficult to do. I have already noticed that you have to "be" in order to be able to "do". Sometimes you have to take things from one end. As for me, I had started studying historical texts several years ago, so I faced certain, hum, "obstacles", and I overcame some of them. I sometimes manage to study these things in a dispassionate way, but it is not easy! Being before doing. Thanks @T.C. for the reminder. Perhaps ultimately, when you study these things, the falsehood we are contemplating is 4D-related, and you can easily get lost in 3D considerations, lose sight of the 4D aspect, so what's this is all about. I can sometimes see that, and Wandering Star provides an interesting bit:

I would roughly relate the Greek executioners to the agents of the underground people of one or both factions.

This shows what history may tie to. The process of study can become hard. And the mattering "variables" become different. I know I'm not trained enough to venture into 4D considerations. I'll miss that aspect which might be what happens in the first place, before all these things take shape as they are. I leave it to you to explain me where a naive 3D-historical consideration would take over, unfavorably, in what I write, when applicable.

Seeing how similar the Paul-Caesar-Carolingians could be to the Greeks (Egypt, Troy) made me speculate about a process that took place in Atlantis, and that is repeating itself.Yes, in the end, these censorship agents who keep coming back are probably always the same ones. Why then did the C's talk about Greek enforcers?!

You may find it interesting to listen to the interviews with Russel Gmirkin

Thank you, I have been stumbling upon his name many times but never gave it a hearing. I will.

I have personally invested myself in studying the "science & philosophy" aspect created by the Greeks, which made me suggest a phenomenon of "Greek enforcers" for science.

I see that the Laura as well as the work of the forum have studied the OT aspect in depth, and, even now, with the studies on Troy and the Egyptians, you are able to highlight a continuity, from Paul to the Greeks. We see this with the focus on the gospels.

I really cannot remember where I saw this, but "the OT" (or, "something OT") seemed ever-present to the overall evolution. A person of the Catholic religion could understand my impression as "a kind of Protestantism" that covers everything. It stops being "the OT", it's rather something spoiling, dirtying. I saw that somewhere, but cannot remember where.

It seems to me that this is because the forum has studied OT in depth, step by step, and you have built a detection lens that puts OT aside whenever it is present. This allows you to move forward, step by step, it is very interesting. I believe this is it - that you guys have been developping a worldview considering the OT as a factor to be discriminated. When I read the comments, it's very focused on this, and it's really a never-ending "corrective" phenomenon. That's very interesting. That's why I express that you guys manage to merge a timespan, from Paul to the Greeks.

I never read the Bible in its entirety, and From Paul to Mark is very difficult for me to read. "Studying the OT" appears something very very hard to do. Any suggestion? It seems that it's what allows to understand much.

The evidence suggests that the OT is a total fabrication, or in the terms of Lobaczewski, the OT is a spellbinding ideology of a psychopathic elite.

It makes a lot of sense to look at it from that perspective. A kind of schizoid ideology.

The information in the OT was presented as truth, the back-projected into history, giving the early Jews a new (and very violent) identity, culture, history, and destiny.

A. Lobaczewski explains that when a "schizoid" (doctrinaire) ideology appears, it is then adopted by the entire mass of "characteropaths" present in society. Like a fringe group, ready for the "second phase." A. Lobaczewski shows how much Wilhelm II contributed to the formation of this base of "characteropaths", during 1900.

We could observe whether there was a formation of a base of characteropaths before the schizoid "OT" ideology appeared. But then, this base of characteropaths is often formed during a major phase of hysteria: I don't know if this happened before the appearance of the OT. It would take a very basic leader, like "I challenge you to a duel." This would weaken the spirit of society, and then the OT would appear. Has anyone seen anything like this?

Jews would be the characteropath basis, ready to adopt the ideology. But - were those Jews existing, as they are portrayed? If we again have to rely on historical books for the existence of those Jews... Well... We are in deep doo doo :)

But I can surely see that the brainwashing aspect of the OT refers to what you described. I never made the connection. The OT as a doctrinaire manifesto, leading to the whole process described by A. Lobaczewski. Schizoids, as I understand it, are opportunists. I wouldn't cast the whole blame on them, in the sense that they may be unconscious vectors. Would be interesting to figure out how the OT popped up, and to discern if the OT doctrinaires were not that conscious. Basically not in-the-know of the damages it would yield later.

What's peculiar in this is that the OT is a rewriting of a true religion. The model "a doctrinaire comes by with a manifesto" becomes a variant. I am puzzled by this, because I tend to stare at the pathocratic model as "some new ideology comes by" - and here, we see that it's a "tweaked" version of something that already existed (Paul's teachings). After all, this does not negate A. Lobaczewski's idea - "a great ideology pops up".

Once the story gets rolled out, after one or two generations of intense indoctrination, this operating system is fully installed in a given people, and it becomes the substrate of the entire worldview.

Frightening! We have to be careful about the underlying pathocracy aspect. The end goal - or rather the final destination - would be a pathocracy. I've observed this today with all the transgender stuff and "biological reality," as a culmination. I suspect that all this is part of "a pathocracy of knowledge", censored Greeks included, but that's very conspiratorial! But hey, considering these people (people might not be the best word) who came up with the different biological ideas, and the sympathy these ideas found among normal people, it might still be possible. Hopefully, the election of Trump stopped it cold, as it was taking place during Biden.

The evidence suggests that the OT is a total fabrication

But - doesn't the OT still rely somewhat on Paul's teachings?

Laura wrote in Comets and the Horns of Moses that there are glimmers of objective truth of our hyperdimensional existence in some Greek historical writings - but not much. Or, true to form in this kind of psychopathic reality creation, there is only just enough truth to package the lies, to make them palatable. What did survive of Greek philosophy and science was likely fabricated, plagiarized or heavily redacted

This shows how the Greeks could have been subjected to a censorship process and that they had a solid knowledge base. I read Laura's article comparing astrological references, in a "before/after" way. We see a kind of split among the Greeks. I have the impression they're trying to tell us something! "Someone has come."

But then again, there's the whole aspect of the Egyptian heritage that the forum is currently raising, and which is fascinating, especially given the implications. We have all of "Ra," all of Egypt, with its immense technological capabilities - then the Greeks formulating a theory based on the condensation of water. With, as you demonstrate well, the Iliad and the Odyssey, which prove a bridge. These are two worlds, such a significant gap in terms of consideration that I'm left speechless! At least, that's what I've understood so far, and maybe I'm getting off track in my enthusiasm (and I hope I haven't said too much nonsense).

Thank you! I hope that there will be interesting questions about those matters, during the next session, and that the most skilled of you, who see things as they are, will find answers so as to teach us.

I see there's a discussion about alterations to the Earth's axis in the Troy thread. I see that the series of cataclysms are being studied more precisely. I remember that comets sometimes carry viruses. It would be interesting to study whether a black death would have appeared after Thera's comets. What's the timing, after a comet hits?

 

[palestine]

Edit: my feeling, about having seen somebody highlighting a continuity, for the OT up to the Greeks, is confirmed when I stare at the Gmirkin interview: "Plato & The OT"

How, then, did it go through the Egyptians?! Who were those "Greeks"?!

 

[palestine]

I read the transcript of Russell Gmirkin's interview - and it's very interesting. I have to leave aside the focus on people like Pythagoras and Aristotle: it seems they were rather specialists, in the midst of a storm. I cited authors (J. Sullivan, A. Whitehead) who were very critical of them, but it seems that the focus should be mainly on Plato.

The interview talks about a phenomenon of totalitarianism, about thinking about Greek civilization, in which Plato becomes a main protagonist.

I was expecting an interview that dissects the Bible in "the context of the Greeks" - which is indeed what is done throughout the interview - but we also see this whole aspect of Plato and a kind of totalitarianism.

I had assumed that the Greeks followed a similar trajectory to Caesar > cataclysms > Carolingians, but if we have capable people, like Aristotle and Pythagoras, who are somehow outside the "STS equation," the "dark ages," "small pockets of survivors after cataclysm," "complete rewriting of history" model becomes harder to see. Instead, we see Plato, along with a team of scribes, at the Library of Alexandria, rewriting a civilization. But that seems to me to be something a little different than what happened after Caesar. I could be wrong.

The interview talks about scribes who supposedly wrote the Bible and other well-known religious documents:

The Truth Perspective: Interview with Russell Gmirkin: What Does Plato Have To Do With the Bible?

team of Jewish scholars known to have translated the books of Moses from Hebrew to Greek for the Great Library at Alexandria around 270 BC ... and they wrote book moses

So, the laws of Moses are based on a lot of these laws from Greek sources and as it turned out, Plato's Laws was the most important book that they consulted.

the Torah - the books of Moses - they appear to have all been written at Alexandria around 270 BC;

These 70 people who wrote the books of Moses and the Pentateuch and started off this whole thing, they were kind of erased from memories; it's very interesting.

I had mentioned that both Jews and Samaritans wrote the books of Moses at Alexandria

There is a Samaritan author, his name hasn't actually come down to us but scholars call him Sudo Eupolemus, Eusebius wrote a couple of fragments of this Samaritan's writings and it's very interesting stuff. Eusebius mistakenly identified him as Eupolemus

I think he was one of the people who was there. I think that he was one of those 70 elders of the legend from Samaria and Judea

I guess those were the "Greek Enforcers"?

The C's had mentioned "Thelon's Order," so maybe those were the people.

Session 4 April 1998

Q: You once mentioned 'Greek Enforcers' who wrote the New Testament. Where did these Greek Enforcers come from?

A: Order of Thelon.

R. Gmirkin mentions a guy, "Sudo Eupolemus": I looked on the internet but I didn't find anything, except for one thing. I translated the name into Greek:

Eupolemus <> Εὐπόλεμος

I didn't find anything for "Sudo," but I think Google Translate doesn't translate "Sudo" correctly. When you search with the Greek provided for both words, there's nothing. However, I did come across a book that mentions an "Eupolemus" in a context that could well concern this biblical writing.

In his interview, R. Gmirkin explains that this Eupolemus can be easily confused. I don't know if what I found refers to the correct "Eupolemus" or not.

I also looked in R. Gmirkin's books for mentions of Sudo Eupolemus, to see if he could find more names for these scribes, but I found nothing. Perhaps he mentioned more details in an article?

Here is the text I found on Google Books:

Paulos Karolidēs

"Peri tēs ethnikēs katagōgēs tōn orthodoxōn Christianōn Syrias kai Palaistinēs"
["About the ethnic categories of Orthodox Christians in Syria and Palestine"]

1909

Peri tēs ethnikēs katagōgēs tōn orthodoxōn Christianōn Syrias kai Palaistinēs

p.265

περὶ Συήνης καὶ Μερόης σημειώσεων ἐξετίθεντο καὶ πολλαὶ παρατηρήσεις καὶ σημειώσεις ἀστρονομικαί , ἃς ἐπωφε- λήθη ὕστερον ὁ περιώνυμος Ερατοσθένης . Ἤκμασε περὶ τὰ τέλη τοῦ 4 καὶ τὰς ἀρχὰς τοῦ 3 π . Χ . αἰῶνος . 55 ) Φοῖβος ὁ ̓Αντιοχεὺς Ὀνειροκρίτης λίαν ἐκτιμώμενος ὑπὸ τῶν μεταγενεστέρων ὀνειροκριτῶν ( ἴδ . Susemihl , I 871 ) 1 ) . β ́ ) Περίοδος Ρωμαϊκή . 1 ) ̓Αδριανὸς ὁ Τύριος , μέγας ῥήτωρ ( σοφιστής ) , μαθητὴς τοῦ περιωνύμου Ἡρώδου τοῦ ̓Αττικοῦ , σπουδάσας ἐν ̓Αθήναις , ἀξιω- θεὶς δὲ νὰ ἀνέλθῃ ἐν ̓Αθήναις αὐταῖς ὡς καθηγητὴς εἰς τὸ ὕπα- τον τῶν καθηγητικῶν ἀξιωμάτων , εἰς τὸν θρόνον δηλονότι τὸν βασίλειον ἢ αὐτοκρατορικὸν ( τὸν ὑπὸ τοῦ αὐτοκράτορος διατη- ρούμενον ) τὸν « ἐπὶ μυρίοις » ( ἤτοι λαμβάνοντα μισθὸν ἐκ τοῦ αὐ- τοκρατορικοῦ ταμείου μυρίας δραχμάς ) , σπανίας ἀπολαύων τι- μῆς καὶ θεραπευόμενος ἐν ̓Αθήναις , ἅτε « ὡς ἱεροφάντης λαμπρῶς ἱερουργῶν » ἐν τῇ πολιτείᾳ τῶν γραμμάτων ( Φιλοστρ . Βίοι Σο- φιστῶν Ι ) . Ἤκμασε περὶ τὰ μέσα τοῦ 2 μ . Χ . αἰῶνος ἐπὶ τοῦ

1 ) Ἐν τῷ καταλόγῳ τούτῳ δὲν περιλαμβάνονται οἱ ἐκ Παλαιστίνης Ἑβραῖοι Έλλη- νισταὶ συγγραφεῖς τῶν ̓Αλεξανδρινῶν χρόνων , ὧν οἱ γνωστότατοι εἶναι · 1 ) ̓Αριστέας ὁ γρά- ψας βιβλίον ἱστορικὸν « περὶ τῶν ( κατὰ τὸν 2 π . Χ . αἰῶνα ) · Ιουδαίων » · 2 ) Εὐπόλεμος ὁ γράψας « περὶ τῶν ἐν Ἰουδαίᾳ βασιλέων » · 3 ) Κλεόδημος ὁ Σαμαρείτης ὁ καὶ Μάλχος κα-
λούμενος , ὁ γράψας ἱστορίαν παράδοξον σύμμικτον ἐξ ̓Ἰουδαϊκῶν καὶ Ἑλληνικῶν παραδόσεων ( κατὰ τὸν 2 π . Χ . αἰῶνα ; ) · 4 ) Εζεκιήλ ὁ τραγῳδὸς ποιητὴς ( τοῦ 2 π . Χ . αἰῶνος ) ποιήσας τραγῳδίας ὑποθέσεις ἐχούσας ἐκ τῆς τῶν Ἰουδαίων ἱστορίας , ἐξ ὧν μόνον τῆς τραγῳδίας τῆς ἐπιγραφομένης « Εξαγωγῆς » τῆς ἐχούσης ὑπόθεσιν τὴν ἐξ Αἰγύπτου ἔξοδον τῶν Ἰου- δαίων ἐσώθη ἀπόσπασμα · 5 ) Φίλων ὁ ἐπικός ποιητὴς ποιήσας ἔπος ἤτοι ἐπικὴν ἱστορίαν τῆς Ἱερουσαλήμ ( κατὰ τὸν 2 π.Χ. αἰῶνα ; ) · 6 ) Θεόδοτος ὁ Σαμαρείτης ὁ γράψας ἐπικὴν ἱστο- ρίαν τῆς Συχέμ , ἧς σῴζονται ἔτι στίχοι 47 ( κατὰ τὸν 2 π . Χ . αἰῶνα ) · 7 ) Ἰωάννης Ὑρ- κανὸς ὁ ἀρχιερεὺς ( 135-105 π . Χ . ) ὁ γράψας « βιβλίον ἡμερῶν ἀρχιερωσύνης αὐτοῦ » ( Μακκαδ . Α . 16 , 23 ) . Εἰς τοὺς ̓Αλεξανδρινοὺς χρόνους ( εἰς τὰ τέλη τοῦ 4 καὶ τὰς ἀρχὰς τοῦ 3 π . Χ . αἰῶνος ) ἀνήκει καὶ ὁ Βαβυλώνιος καλούμενος καὶ Περσικὸν ὄνομα φέρων ἑλληνιστής ἱστοριογράφος Βήρωσσος.

Google translate:

... about Syene and Meroe notes were also presented and many astronomical observations and notes, which were later used by the famous Eratosthenes. He flourished around the end of the 4th and the beginning of the 3rd century BC. 55) Phoebos the Antiochian Dream Critic, highly esteemed by later dream critics (cf. Susemihl, I 871) 1). b) Roman Period. 1) Hadrian of Tyre, a great orator (sophist), a student of the pseudonymous Herod of Attica, studied in Athens, and was worthy to ascend in Athens as a professor to the highest of the professorial offices, to the throne, that is, the kingdom or imperial throne (the one maintained by the emperor) “on myriads” (i.e. receiving a salary from the imperial treasury of a thousand drachmas), rarely enjoying honors and being treated in Athens, even “as a hierophant brilliantly "of priests" in the city of letters (Philostr. Lives of the Sophists I). He flourished around the middle of 2 AD. X. century on1 ) This list does not include the Jewish Hellenistic writers from Palestine of the Alexandrian period, the best known of whom are ·

1 ) Aristaeus, who wrote a historical book "about the (2nd century BC) Jews" · 2 ) Eupolemus, who wrote "about the kings of Judea" · 3 ) Cleodemus the Samaritan, also called Malchus, who wrote a strange history mixed from Jewish and Greek traditions (2nd century BC; ) · 4 ) Ezekiel, who a tragedian poet (2nd century BC) who composed tragedies based on Jewish history, of which only a fragment of the tragedy entitled "Exodus", which tells the story of the Jews' exodus from Egypt, has survived; 5) Philon, the epic poet, who composed an epic history of Jerusalem (2nd century BC; ); 6) Theodotus the Samaritan, who wrote an epic history of Shechem, of which 47 verses are still preserved (2nd century BC); 7) John Hyrcanus the high priest (135-105 BC) wrote “the book of the days of his high priesthood” (Maccabees 1:16, 23). The Alexandrian period (the end of the 4th and beginning of the 3rd century BC) also includes the Hellenistic historian Berossus, who was also called Babylonian and bore a Persian name.

If anything relevant:

1 ) Aristaeus, who wrote a historical book "about the (2nd century BC) Jews"

2 ) Eupolemus, who wrote "about the kings of Judea"

3 ) Cleodemus the Samaritan, also called Malchus, who wrote a strange history mixed from Jewish and Greek traditions (2nd century BC; )

4 ) Ezekiel, who a tragedian poet (2nd century BC) who composed tragedies based on Jewish history, of which only a fragment of the tragedy entitled "Exodus", which tells the story of the Jews' exodus from Egypt, has survived

5) Philon, the epic poet, who composed an epic history of Jerusalem (2nd century BC; )

6) Theodotus the Samaritan, who wrote an epic history of Shechem, of which 47 verses are still preserved (2nd century BC)

7) John Hyrcanus the high priest (135-105 BC) wrote “the book of the days of his high priesthood” (Maccabees 1:16, 23). The Alexandrian period (the end of the 4th and beginning of the 3rd century BC) also includes the Hellenistic historian Berossus, who was also called Babylonian and bore a Persian name.

 

[palestine]

It could be that this Eupolemus that I quoted refers to the mistaken one; so the listed guys are of no interest. I found additional data about the Eupolemus in question:

Something went wrong...

First, the third book of the Sibylline Oracles is widely recognized on
dependent on the anonymous Samaritan author scholars call Pseudo-Eupolemus.
Thus the reference to the Tower of Babel being cast down from great winds
sent by God at SibOr 3.101-103 may be taken to be a tradition derived from
Pseudo-Eupolemus. At Jub. 10:26 there this same tradition appears,
demonstrating a dependence of Jubilees on Pseudo-Eupolemus. I could cite
other examples, but this one should suffice. Then PsEup definitely precedes
Jubilees. The current concensus has it that PsEup was written ca. 200 BCE
(or possibly earlier), certainly before the Hellenistic crisis. It is
sufficiently early as to show no conflict at all between Jews and Samaritans.

(For PsEup read J. Charlesworth, _Old Testament Pseudepigrapha_ [Doubleday,
1985] 2.873-882; or better yet C. Holladay, _Fragments of Hellenistic Jewish
Authors_ [Scholars Press, 1983] 1.157ff. Either is easily available through
interlibrary loan, as is Gaster's _Asatir_.)

Then reading the conclusion to PsEup's account of Abraham's rescue of Lot, we
read at PsEup 5-6:

"Abraham was treated as a guest by the city in the temple Argarizin [i.e. Mt.
Gerizim], which means 'mountain of the Most High.' He received gifts from
Melchizedek, its ruler and priest of God."

 

[Jtucker]

I didn't get a chance to read this whole thread last night. But when I went to bed, I had much of the same intuitive reaction as Wandering Star. These Greek "enforcers" may not be so Greek, but rather acting as being from or attached to a Greek agency over the centuries. But the thought I had, when I re-read the original post, is that these are under grounders sent to the surface to make sure the "deep level punctuator" version of history is "enforced".

They may have infiltrated the Greeks for centuries, as the western mind was dominated by Greek thought for so long and that gave them credentials or clout.

I seem to remember an article by Laura that I thought was on Sott.net from many years ago relating to the Eleusinian Mysteries of the Greeks. But I couldn't find it. If I remember correctly, it was a deep dive into the differences between the degraded Dionysian/Orphic rites and Eleusinian mysteries. The Eleusinian mysteries sound like a contemplative passion play, or stations of the cross. While the others are essentially orgiastic rites leading to manic fury - ie: possession.

From a basic search:

The Eleusinian Mysteries were secret annual religious rites in ancient Greece held at the Sanctuary of Eleusis in honor of the goddesses Demeter and Persephone. These highly famous initiations revolved around Persephone's abduction to the underworld, with ceremonies that promised a better afterlife and offered profound spiritual experiences to initiates.

That one sentence does come up as a big event in mythology/history that leads to her return and a festival/rite that "promised a better afterlife and offered profound spiritual experiences to initiates".

But only after you escape the underworld? Or learn the secrets of its role in catastrophes and or/soul smashing? Or like Illion's "Darkness Over Tibet"?

On Persephone:

The myth of Persephone explains the change of seasons, detailing how the goddess was abducted by Hades to be his queen of the Underworld.

Her Mother Demeter the goddess of agriculture, went into a deep grief, causing the earth to become barren and ushering in winter. A compromise was reached where Persephone would live with Hades for a part of the year, and with her mother for the rest. When Persephone is on Earth, Demeter rejoices and the world experiences spring and summer; when she returns to the Underworld, Demeter mourns, and the earth experiences autumn and winter.

The abduction and the great famine Persephone, the daughter of Zeus and Demeter, was picking flowers when Hades, the god of the Underworld, abducted her in his chariot.

Almost sounds like a Missing 411 case? A daughter left alone by her parents gets abducted while picking a plant. The story of Persephone and Demeter does seem to echo the climate changes around the time of the Younger Dryas.

If the "Athenians" (Hibernians/Siberians) were the survivors of the Younger Dryas catastrophe and descendants of the "Sons of the Law of One" on the surface (dealing with the horrific climate due to the collective sin of Atlantis), then they would have understood or tried to devise a system to remind/ameliorate what was a horrific tragedy.

Then the "Greeks" (probably not actual Greeks, but a moniker associated with "Hellenes"?) may be the descendants of the "Sons of Belial" or Nation of the Third Eye, regularly returning to the surface to enforce their manipulations of the historical record to eliminate anything that doesn't accept the materialist, singular "covenant" material world view.

If these "Deadly Secrets" had to be de-Stalinized from the public record regarding Astrology - my guess would be that the Eleusinian Mysteries may have revealed the human/cosmic connection that lead to cyclical cometary disasters through some form of Astrology attached to the rites.

Possibly there was an even deeper component to the mysteries (and conceivably other Zoroastrian-like knowledge/cosmology) that named a system/group that was to blame for this (likely the Sons of Belial and later Nation of The Third Eye).

Then from the Undergrounder agenda, surfacing the "enforcers" on a regular basis to erase that kind of history would be imperative for their plans to regain their dominance partially in our time - and with full spectrum domination of our realm in their wishful thinking future timeline.

As T.C. mentioned above, this seems to have been going on for thousands of years. Digging out any actual history that doesn't conform to the mainline, materialist, "chosen ones" philosophy, is a very hard task...