Greenland - a geopolitical space on the global chess board?

[Noctu]

Wow, I'm surprised to see so many of you hating on Pres Trump. I think Acquiring Greenland is a brilliant move for a lot of reasons.
There are only 50k people there, who are about to make a windfall.
Greenland is an ice ball, very little infrastructure. The US would develop and improve, and likely start tapping resources. I cant see anyone living there not wanting that to happen. Its like using an outhouse, then someone gives you a million dollars and builds you a bathroom inside your house.
Denmark is giving them crumbs to survive. Becoming a US territory will bring them into the 21st century. We arent going to invade, we are buying it. Things are heating up, I wonder what the Cs will say about it.

I know three people who live in Greenland and all three of them do not want it to happen. And those people aren't even indigenous people.

Sovereignty is an important value for quite some people, as is nature.

 

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Bit of Geography

 

[Niall]

As far as I know Greenlanders are not enthusiastic. The deal Rutte(NATO) & Trump is for more American bases and extraction of rare minerals, to which I am not that sure that that will improve Greenlander's life.

They buying part it isn't either, Trump said he won't pay anything for the... taking, using, the parts of the land that will become US territory like a consulate of some sort.

With an American flag for all to see as Medvedev described it well.


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No way! Is that the actual cover of The Economist?!

Edit: It is!

 

[FM258]

I know three people who live in Greenland and all three of them do not want it to happen. And those people aren't even indigenous people.

Sovereignty is an important value for quite some people, as is nature.

3 people?? That’s not much of a scientific sample. So they would prefer to be ruled by Denmark?? Because they are not a sovereign country.

 

[Niall]

This is probably what's going on here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014099748425208203

Trump walks back Greenland tariffs threat, citing vague ‘deal’ over territory​

Donald Trump has walked back his threat to impose sweeping US tariffs on eight European countries, claiming he had agreed “the framework of a future deal” on Greenland.

Four days after vowing to introduce steep import duties on a string of US allies over their support for Greenland’s continued status as an autonomous Danish territory, the president backed down.

The US will not hit Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the UK, the Netherlands and Finland with tariffs of 10% from 1 February after all, Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. Over the weekend, he had also threatened to lift the tariffs to 25% from 1 June.

The threat had prompted widespread apprehension; criticism from senior European politicians, who declared they “will not allow ourselves to be blackmailed”; and warnings from economists.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-speech-rehashes-warped-ideas-of-us-supremacy
After what he called a “very productive” meeting with the Nato secretary general, Mark Rutte, on Wednesday, Trump claimed he had formed “the framework” of a deal over Greenland, without providing more information.

“Based upon this understanding, I will not be imposing the Tariffs that were scheduled to go into effect on February 1,” the president said.

Trump did not give further details of the agreement, but said talks were continuing concerning a US missile defense shield that would be in part based in Greenland.

 

[FM258]

I think that the whole move is not about Greenland, but about restoring the USA as a world power. If that means destroying the NATO and the EU, even the better for the US. So, the last mentioned deal with the NATO will not pass in that form, because in this moment stronger NATO or the EU means weaker US. Russia and China are now to strong for the USA to exercise the power, but the NATO and the EU, which both means nothing to Trump, are ideal. And it will be really idiotic if US army doesn't take Greenland, because they can do it in some hour or two. And doing something just "because you can" is the sign of power in our world. The US needs that. So, I think that is "imminent".

We may never know the biggest reason but there are several. When you are almost 40 trillion in debt there are going to be choppy waters ahead. I find most people hate him for non policy reasons. And they oppose anything he says or does.

We have a strong president, this country would have been so screwed with Harris it’s not funny. I don’t agree with how he projects himself to the world…arrogant, narcissistic, petulant..,but he’s put us on a better path. I realize not everyone on this forum is American, maybe that’s where the hate is coming from.

 

[T.C.]

I realize not everyone on this forum is American, maybe that’s where the hate is coming from.

What hate?

 

[FM258]

What hate?

Well hate is an exaggeration. I do not care to reread this thread to point out what I interpret as negative or anti Trump sentiment. Where you live will likely determine what you support or oppose. Myself a lifelong NYer, scarred by 9/11 I have strong beliefs, perhaps they are not welcome or appropriate here.

 

[sid]

We may never know the biggest reason but there are several. When you are almost 40 trillion in debt there are going to be choppy waters ahead. I find most people hate him for non policy reasons. And they oppose anything he says or does.

We have a strong president, this country would have been so screwed with Harris it’s not funny. I don’t agree with how he projects himself to the world…arrogant, narcissistic, petulant..,but he’s put us on a better path. I realize not everyone on this forum is American, maybe that’s where the hate is coming from.

Its the way Trump has shown a complete lack of spine on the Gaza affair which has diminished the confidence and high hopes that got built up at the time of him winning the election. He may still be acting to uplift America but not quite aware of how he is being played by his own network as well as Israel. And that makes him very dangerous to other sovereign nations around the world. So, naturally, there is a lot of disappointment. There are still 3 years to go so, lets keep observing him.

On Greenland, it seems that he wants it to benefit America in whatever way possible, minerals, strategic geo-position etc. could be whatever. I don't think the decision makers on either side of the table care what the 50K-odd Greenlanders think or want.

 

[Carlos Alberto]

The US would develop and improve, and likely start tapping resources. I cant see anyone living there not wanting that to happen.

It might be hard to believe but most people outside of the US don't want to be like the US and don't want to be part of the US. Maybe you have bought the narrative about the US being the indispensable nation.

 

[T.C.]

Where you live will likely determine what you support or oppose.

Yep. And that’s called subjectivity and programming. It’s what we on this forum are Working to break.

Your heavy identification with being a New Yorker has you rooting for a guy who recently had the leader of another country basically kidnapped and spent the last month or two threatening to invade and steal an entire country just because he has the power to do so.

But that’s all good, because ‘Murica!’

You’re being played like a fiddle, FM258. And to realise that should make you sick. You see criticism of narcissistic bullying and aggression towards others as ‘hate’, because of your programming, and rationalise it as simply due to others living in another country.

You’re ponerised.

People’s criticism of Trump here has nothing to do with “where they are”. It has everything to do with “who they are and what they see”.

 

[Noctu]

3 people?? That’s not much of a scientific sample. So they would prefer to be ruled by Denmark?? Because they are not a sovereign country.

You wrote you could not think of anyone not wanting it. That amounts to zero people.

I'm not from Greenland or Denmark. Those three Greenlanders are all the Greenlanders I know. And they don't want it. There's a huge difference between 0 and 3.

I was merely pointing out that it's not because you don't think there is anyone who doesn't want it, that everyone has the same opinion.

For your information:

"In a new survey conducted by Verian in Denmark for Berlingske and Sermitsiaq, Greenlanders are asked: "Do you want Greenland to leave Denmark and become part of the United States?"

The results show that 85% of Greenlanders do not want to leave the Realm and become part of the United States, while 6% want to leave the Danish Realm and become part of the United States, whereas the remaining 9% are undecided."

"456% of Greenlanders answer that they would vote yes to Greenlandic independence if a referendum were held today, 28% would vote no, and 17% do not know what they would vote for."

Source: Opinion poll in Greenland, January 2025