I know three people who live in Greenland and all three of them do not want it to happen. And those people aren't even indigenous people.
Sovereignty is an important value for quite some people, as is nature.
Greenland - a geopolitical space on the global chess board?
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Sovereignty is an important value for quite some people, as is nature.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Bit of Geography
3 people?? That’s not much of a scientific sample. So they would prefer to be ruled by Denmark?? Because they are not a sovereign country.
We may never know the biggest reason but there are several. When you are almost 40 trillion in debt there are going to be choppy waters ahead. I find most people hate him for non policy reasons. And they oppose anything he says or does.
We have a strong president, this country would have been so screwed with Harris it’s not funny. I don’t agree with how he projects himself to the world…arrogant, narcissistic, petulant..,but he’s put us on a better path. I realize not everyone on this forum is American, maybe that’s where the hate is coming from.
What hate?
Well hate is an exaggeration. I do not care to reread this thread to point out what I interpret as negative or anti Trump sentiment. Where you live will likely determine what you support or oppose. Myself a lifelong NYer, scarred by 9/11 I have strong beliefs, perhaps they are not welcome or appropriate here.
Its the way Trump has shown a complete lack of spine on the Gaza affair which has diminished the confidence and high hopes that got built up at the time of him winning the election. He may still be acting to uplift America but not quite aware of how he is being played by his own network as well as Israel. And that makes him very dangerous to other sovereign nations around the world. So, naturally, there is a lot of disappointment. There are still 3 years to go so, lets keep observing him.
On Greenland, it seems that he wants it to benefit America in whatever way possible, minerals, strategic geo-position etc. could be whatever. I don't think the decision makers on either side of the table care what the 50K-odd Greenlanders think or want.
Carlos Alberto
Padawan Learner
It might be hard to believe but most people outside of the US don't want to be like the US and don't want to be part of the US. Maybe you have bought the narrative about the US being the indispensable nation.
Yep. And that’s called subjectivity and programming. It’s what we on this forum are Working to break.
Your heavy identification with being a New Yorker has you rooting for a guy who recently had the leader of another country basically kidnapped and spent the last month or two threatening to invade and steal an entire country just because he has the power to do so.
But that’s all good, because ‘Murica!’
You’re being played like a fiddle, FM258. And to realise that should make you sick. You see criticism of narcissistic bullying and aggression towards others as ‘hate’, because of your programming, and rationalise it as simply due to others living in another country.
You’re ponerised.
People’s criticism of Trump here has nothing to do with “where they are”. It has everything to do with “who they are and what they see”.
You wrote you could not think of anyone not wanting it. That amounts to zero people.
I'm not from Greenland or Denmark. Those three Greenlanders are all the Greenlanders I know. And they don't want it. There's a huge difference between 0 and 3.
I was merely pointing out that it's not because you don't think there is anyone who doesn't want it, that everyone has the same opinion.
For your information:
"In a new survey conducted by Verian in Denmark for Berlingske and Sermitsiaq, Greenlanders are asked: "Do you want Greenland to leave Denmark and become part of the United States?"
The results show that 85% of Greenlanders do not want to leave the Realm and become part of the United States, while 6% want to leave the Danish Realm and become part of the United States, whereas the remaining 9% are undecided."
"456% of Greenlanders answer that they would vote yes to Greenlandic independence if a referendum were held today, 28% would vote no, and 17% do not know what they would vote for."
Source: Opinion poll in Greenland, January 2025
Im unfamiliar with this word, tried to look it up to no avail. I am trying to break programming...and will seriously consider what you have said.
Your heavy identification with being a New Yorker has you rooting for a guy who recently had the leader of another country basically kidnapped and spent the last month or two threatening to invade and steal an entire country just because he has the power to do so.
Rooting for? He is the president, I will root for the president, whoever they are to improve the country and the lives of people. Hes not a politician, has no filters, isnt polished...I think that is part of the appeal. His style of negotiation is unconventional. We are not going to invade Greenland and take by force. He wants to make a deal, as Niall posted before, the Art of the Deal, he shoots for the moon because he wants the clouds. Maduro is a whole other issue, dont have time now to dive into that.
You’re being played like a fiddle, FM258. And to realise that should make you sick. You see criticism of narcissistic bullying and aggression towards others as ‘hate’, because of your programming, and rationalise it as simply due to others living in another country.
Im becoming more aware every day of programming, and trying my best to reject it. I will contemplate your words and will talk more with you later about it.
People’s criticism of Trump here has nothing to do with “where they are”. It has everything to do with “who they are and what they see”.
I ignore his antics, his rhetoric, his bluster...we know DT a very long time here in NY. Perhaps this is part of "what they see" You wont get any argument from me about his persona. Hes very abrasive and narcissistic. Do I ignore that? Yes, because im concerned about policies...not personalities. Politics is such a nasty business. We are in interesting times, thats for sure.
John G
The Living Force
Ponerised comes from a forum recommended book "Political Ponerology". It means being a victim of evil rulers making you think your country isn't evil. Probably a better way to say that. I lived in upstate New York from age 12 to 40 so yes Trump will be Trump. The most avid Trump fan I know simply says "he's a character" every time Trump does/says an outrageous thing. It's very much a smile and enjoy the show. He thinks Maduro mocked Trump too much. Trump probably does want some revenge against people who are more personally after him (like the Democrat lawfare) and not just doing deal things. Trump can be outlandish for deals and revenge probably.
Putin (well liked here) seems to think it's normal for Trump to be making a play for Greenland and since we live in a reality where Julius Caesar (well liked here) had to not let women and children leave from an enemy under siege; I'm not going to get too upset over people in Greenland not being able to be independent. That said the U.S. is rather doomed, it's too late to fix it no matter what Trump tries to do.
Trump long ago when it was Japan as the main problem was against globalism hurting U.S. manufacturing and trade interests. Only became worse with China as the main problem. Trump was asked about becoming president then and said he thought politics was vicious but he might run and be good at it if things got bad enough. He kind of waited too long. When vicious includes threats to the safety of yourself and your family, it's probably another obstacle that's too big for Trump. It long ago was too big for JFK and even longer ago for Julius Caesar.
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