Guide for people that believe they are a Wanderer

[treesparrow]

For a bit of levity, perhaps some of the lyrics from the song 'The Wanderer' by the 1950's rock n' roller Dion is appropriate here,

"Oh, well I roam from town to town
I go through life without a care
And I'm happy as a clown
And with my two fists of iron but I'm going nowhere

They call me the wanderer -yeah - the wanderer
I roam around around around around"


:D

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[wanderer33]

 

[Mona]

Hi Anart,

yes, I meant, don't believe it. Move on and let it go. I have my issues with the idea which I cannot discuss on the forum.

Hi Wanderer33,
I am just wondering like a wanderer why you cannot discuss the issues that you have with the idea. I would love to read about it. I think you have a lot to say about it and I bet we could learn a lot from your knowledge. I have grown up in Europe, ex Czechoslovakia and I noticed that my way of thinking about what is being said, concerning different issues, on this forum is slightly different from North Americans. It does not mean that it is wrong, it's just slightly different. Europeans also have a different kind of humor and we express ourselves in words that may sound offensive to North Americans even though they were not meant to offend anyone; it seems that the effective communication between Europeans and North Americans will always have some limitations. After the collapse of the iron curtain we have also become very fond of free speech; I think it only makes sense that we all do express a free speech especially here. I have tried to explain why we are the way we are, but there is no point in doing so. I think the best way to learn about different cultures is to experience it in real life, by living it. What is so great about this forum is that so many different kind of people gather here, but what I noticed is that people are sometimes afraid to express their opinion to the fullest. I noticed that some may also be afraid that if they say something wrong they may be kicked out of the forum. Yes, I am one of those people. Some may say that if I was really doing the job in becoming an STO candidate then I would not care what other people have to say about me or how I am being treated. The thing is that we, ALL, are 3D humans and everyone learns at a different pace. There is nothing wrong with being at the leverl where everyone of us is at. If the moderators of this forum are living the life of a STO candidate, then that is great. I am truly happy for them. We, the rest of us, may get there one day, or we may not. We should not force things as everything is perfect the way it is right now at the present time.

I understand that what is being said on this forum is quite serious, but we sometimes need to joke and make each other laugh. Life is serious enough. Didn't CC's say that learning is fun? I just hope that people don't/will not hold back their thoughts due to fear. I think that the free flow of thought would be more beneficial. What do CC's think that the most effective way of teaching is?

 

[aragorn]

Mona, I apologize if my post made you feel "unworthy". I fully agree that no one should force oneself to behave and think in a more "evolved" manner. Change and progress in thinking and awareness takes time, work and commitment. And as I have learned, networking is crucial to this work. On this forum I have experienced many times how others can help you see things in you (based on ones writings) that you could never notice your self. I'm still learning how to "return the favor", so my attempts in doing this may be clumsy.

You and everyone else here are equally important. As someone said, we are like different body parts that have different roles. But all parts are needed for the body to function.

 

[truth seeker]

Hey Mona and Wanderer33,

A few thoughts:

I believe that anything can be discussed on this forum as long as each person takes care as to how it is said. Free speech is a beautiful thing. What is important to remember is that it applies to everyone. Any subject that is discussed will most likely end up with someone disagreeing at some point. This is the beauty of free speech because when done with awareness for the right of everyone to have their say, this is when the greatest learning can occur.

While each of us has something to contribute, I have found in my personal experience that I had much more to learn than to teach. When I gained some objective understanding of my personal experience, I was then better able to explain to others my own interpretations of various concepts discussed and perhaps at that point had something to give.

This also applies to being a wanderer, in my opinion. I would not be surprised to find our that many people attracted to this forums are wanderers. If the information most of us have read is correct (regarding the numbers of wanderers), they have to be somewhere. Why not here? The thing of it is, what good does it do to be a wanderer if someone does not have a clear understanding of the weight of that information or doesn't know what to do with such information when they have it? To me, it would be like being given a gift or tool and not know how to properly use it. In fact, it could do one (and others) more harm than good.

I would also like to hear your issues concerning the issue of being a wanderer, Wanderer33. It is only when we share information (network) that we can all learn.

Mona, I encourage you to take a look at the threads where people have been banned. They are kept up for various purposes. In my opinion, people who have been banned (and note that this is never a permanent situation), were banned not for expressing ideas that weren't popular. If that were the case, many more of us would have been banned. They were banned mostly because of how they expressed such ideas (usually disrespectful of others feelings). Many, many chances are given with regard as to whether someone is banned or not. I can say that this is never a random decision.

Speaking as someone who has just recently become a moderator (less than two weeks), I can say that I don't see myself as above anyone else here. I have also not personally witnessed such behavior from moderators who have been around considerably longer. We are all learning together.

In the past, I used to be concerned with being banned. What I think that is really about is that we being afraid of being seen for the first time in our life. One of the most difficult things we can ever do is to look at who we truly are, not who we want others to think we are but just ourselves, warts and all. When we take the steps to do so and are lucky enough to find people who are willing to help us with this enormous task, a trust develops. If you decide to start posting more, I think you will start to realize that this is a safe place.

Okay, so this was longer than I intended it to be! I just want you both (as well as others) to know that whether you're a wanderer or not, you're welcome here. It's safe.

 

[vinny]

In the past, I used to be concerned with being banned. What I think that is really about is that we being afraid of being seen for the first time in our life. One of the most difficult things we can ever do is to look at who we truly are, not who we want others to think we are but just ourselves, warts and all. When we take the steps to do so and are lucky enough to find people who are willing to help us with this enormous task, a trust develops. If you decide to start posting more, I think you will start to realize that this is a safe place.

I think that's a very important point. Something Castaneda said about the 'predators mind', might be helpful, too:

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.

 

[Oxajil]

I understand it's a joke, but I'm going to comment. Hope you don't mind.

So if there are any potential recruits ready to dive in and claim that they are a wanderer, think again and forget the idea altogether.

Anyone who claims to be a wanderer is not very able in seeing things as objectively as possible, imo.

There is also no need to forget the idea altogether, because there could be a possibility that we are wanderers.

So the key is I think to just keep this possibility open.

Ark's quote comes into mind here:

There is an easy but powerful remedy. Namely to doubt everything, in particular to put in doubt your own doubts and to doubt those who try to instill doubts in you.

Then, we doubt everything, you just assign levels to your doubts, and you do it consciously, taking into account all that you know. Then, every time you learn more, you re-label all your doubts.

 

[Laura]

Yes, doubting everything and assigning levels to doubts is very helpful. Ark also suggests that if a person has an idea about something, like being a "wanderer," then they should immediately set about DOing something to make it real, but tell no one. Just DO.

 

[darthdo]

I think a very interesting, pity that the language barrier does not allow me to express everything I think.

I think the set that one may or may not be a wanderer, comes added responsibility. I mean, if you are a wanderer not just wake up and worry out of this prison, but also maybe you should help others to do so, or what have self-imposed mission in this lifetime. But anyway, this item gives to much.

 

[Mona]

Thanks to all of your replies, they were really beautiful and sencere, I truly appreciate them. It seems that I was the only one who noticed that some people felt being threated in some way and I just needed to say something about it. I got a feeling that some people left this forum without giving it a chance. I truly hope that as many people as possible will feel free to stay and explore this forum as you are probably aware by now that this place of yours offers something extraordinary. People can actually just go to this one place to explore all possibilities to their questions. I know how I felt when I was hitting my head against the wall when I could not answer most of the serious questions that I had about this world; it can be a quite frustrating and a lonely road that usually ended up in depression. But what Laura is doing is truly an eye opener, and I hoped that everyone would use this information to help themselves progress faster on their pathway. It seems that there still are not enough of people waking up in this world and those that do try need a little bit of encouragement, at least that's how I feel, especially when the 4STS forces will do everything possible to help close the door for people who try to have a peek inside this forum.

I guess, some wanderers are slightly more weaker than others. I know I am one of those weaker souls; I still want everyone to get along even though it is impossible. I know, the dark forces have the same right to exist in their own perfect way. I am still struggling with that concept, but hopefully I will understand the beauty in it one day.

And I will definitely stick around this forum, till my death. This is my second home and in any home it is expected that a little conflict will errupt. It's a learning experience. It's all cool ;)

 

[wanderer33]

Mona, if you were one of the weaker souls, you would not have come here. Think about it.

Some of our deep programmes tend to take away our strength, will and self-esteem,
but in the end they are ONLY programmes which can inevitably be switched off. We are all victims
in this regard.

I don't think you are a weak soul. By saying it, I'm putting the thought out there into the universe. :)

 

[Approaching Infinity]

The way I see it, being a wanderer doesn't mean much. When you come here and the slate is wiped clean, except for a certain "bias" and perhaps longing for "home", it's doesn't make one qualitatively better to come from "above" as opposed to "below". If anything, being a wanderer puts one at a disadvantage and isn't really something to brag about. If wanderers really are more "sensitive", that means they suffer more damage that will perhaps take them lifetimes to overcome. What's so great about being a struggling psychoneurotic who hasn't learned the lessons of the obyvatel? The point is to grow and learn, not find something soothing to believe in as an excuse for not fitting into this world. OSIT.

 

[wanderer33]

It looks a lot like a consensus to me. Thanks for the view.

 

[Nienna]

Hi Mona,

From what I've seen of people who are banned on this forum, it is because they come here with an agenda.

They don't come here to learn and network, to discuss and find answers, they come here to disrupt, to tell lies and lead people astray, to demand and to preach and most of all to discredit the amazingly hard work of Laura, Ark and the crew at the chateau. They come here with a full cup and have no intentions of draining just a little out of that cup so that they can look at what is being discussed here and try a little, see it for themselves.

It's one thing to come here sincerely looking to expand your knowledge base, joining in on discussions and reading the material. It's another thing all together to come here with a closed mind, an agenda, rudeness and not caring to even read any of the material. And those are the people who get banned.

At least this is what I have seen.

 

[wanderer33]

Have to say I've learnt some lessons and expanded my knowledge a little while I've been here.

I certainly will be asking more questions. I've got a lot of them.

I have noticed a level of intolerance from some users which verges on rudeness/elitism. Thankfully that
attitude seems to be rare. Most users here bend over backwards to help.

There is so much material here, its difficult to get up to speed quickly. Also the ground rules are a little different from other sites

and it takes a little time in getting used to.