Guide for people that believe they are a Wanderer

[anart]

I can see what you mean. I was curious just as figure of speech. I was intrigued to see why wanderer33 was putting effort on another forum rather then this one.

Perhaps if you read through wanderer33's posts on this forum, it will become clear? It is VERY difficult to honestly look at oneself. It is much more enjoyable to create an image of the self that is pleasant, powerful and all one wants to be. Once this image is created, it takes a lot of energy to support the illusion. The illusion is a jealous one and denies energy to the search for the true self. In other words, when a person puts all their focus and energy into an image of who they think they are, instead of putting it into actually discovering the (often unpleasant) truth about themselves, they tend to not want to 'hang around' a place that requires them to take an honest (and often unpleasant) look at the truth about themselves.

It's a very common situation and boils down to choosing a lie over the truth. It's more 'fun' to most people to create and exist within an illusion in which they are wise, gifted, special and who they 'want' to be. What's unfortunate is that it's been my experience that these illusions don't even approach the magnificence of what a person can really be once they are aligned with their True selves - but aligning with the True self takes a LOT of work - it is difficult - it is painful - and most people prefer to just stick with the flat illusion rather than Working for the Real thing.

 

[wanderer33]

I can see what you mean. I was curious just as figure of speech. I was intrigued to see why wanderer33 was putting effort on another forum rather then this one.

Perhaps if you read through wanderer33's posts on this forum, it will become clear? It is VERY difficult to honestly look at oneself. It is much more enjoyable to create an image of the self that is pleasant, powerful and all one wants to be. Once this image is created, it takes a lot of energy to support the illusion. The illusion is a jealous one and denies energy to the search for the true self. In other words, when a person puts all their focus and energy into an image of who they think they are, instead of putting it into actually discovering the (often unpleasant) truth about themselves, they tend to not want to 'hang around' a place that requires them to take an honest (and often unpleasant) look at the truth about themselves.

It's a very common situation and boils down to choosing a lie over the truth. It's more 'fun' to most people to create and exist within an illusion in which they are wise, gifted, special and who they 'want' to be. What's unfortunate is that it's been my experience that these illusions don't even approach the magnificence of what a person can really be once they are aligned with their True selves - but aligning with the True self takes a LOT of work - it is difficult - it is painful - and most people prefer to just stick with the flat illusion rather than Working for the Real thing.

I apologise for calling you a man. I had no idea....not that you come across in a masculine way. That's not it. Its always a pleasure to converse with you even if it means walking away with blood dripping from my nose. lol

I don't disagree with anything you've said here. It reads as a fair analysis of most people in one way or another.

they tend to not want to 'hang around' a place that requires them to take an honest (and often unpleasant) look at the truth about themselves.

Not altogether true in my case. I often promote this forum where it is applicable. My excuse for not spending more time here is that I am
elsewhere participating. If I can say something about reading others with limited knowledge and labelling them accordingly. Firstly, one can never know regarding the entire life of another, nor their motivations or intent. Secondly, directing one's assessments of others in a negative light without having full knowledge can never be a desireable pursuit as it is prone to error.

After year's of teaching, I find that guidance with respect and an optimistic manner is much more efficacious than its negative which tends to produce unnecessary barrier's for the student's desire to learn. Yes, the world can be a dark place, but emphasising this darkness in all of our utterances can have negative results, for others and ourselves.

 

[Leo40]

wanderer33

Your most recent post confirms the hold of your illusion that you
can not see and are unwilling or incapable to confront.
Very instructive, You are teaching by example.

 

[Al Today]

Yes, the world can be a dark place, but emphasising this darkness in all of our utterances can have negative results, for others and ourselves.

Just me here but nope, I don't think so. Methinks one must recognize "darkness". Because It Is, and It's not going away just because one chooses to ignore What Is. Am I wrong in thinking your statement implies creating your own reality?

edit: spelling again...

 

[Mr. Premise]

Wanderer33, what you wrote about being positive and encouraging holds for subject matter teaching but not necessarily for 4th Way, Gurdjieff-style teaching.

 

[anart]

I apologise for calling you a man. I had no idea....not that you come across in a masculine way. That's not it. Its always a pleasure to converse with you even if it means walking away with blood dripping from my nose. lol

Most men who read my posts initially think I'm a man - sort of reminds me of what the character in the Matrix, Trinity, said to Neo when they first met, and he mentioned that he thought she was a man - "most men do". ;) If that sort of thing bothered me, I'd have bigger troubles than I can imagine.

I don't disagree with anything you've said here. It reads as a fair analysis of most people in one way or another.

they tend to not want to 'hang around' a place that requires them to take an honest (and often unpleasant) look at the truth about themselves.

Not altogether true in my case. I often promote this forum where it is applicable. My excuse for not spending more time here is that I am
elsewhere participating. If I can say something about reading others with limited knowledge and labelling them accordingly. Firstly, one can never know regarding the entire life of another, nor their motivations or intent. Secondly, directing one's assessments of others in a negative light without having full knowledge can never be a desireable pursuit as it is prone to error.

After year's of teaching, I find that guidance with respect and an optimistic manner is much more efficacious than its negative which tends to produce unnecessary barrier's for the student's desire to learn. Yes, the world can be a dark place, but emphasising this darkness in all of our utterances can have negative results, for others and ourselves.

I really think your choices are quite obvious and reflected quite clearly in your life and who you are - in what you understand and how you come across. In fact, it could not be more clear. It can be no other way, it's simply the fact of the matter that this forum serves a very particular purpose, one that does not fit what you have decided you are comfortable with. This has been evident for quite some time, which is why I have often wondered why you return time and time again to something you obviously so deeply disagree with (that is objective truth and it's discovery/implementation in ones life, no matter how painful it is to actually wake up).

 

[andi]

I got to admit wandere33, I was skeptical about you and your last post just clears the fog I had. Your last post made no sense to me regarding what happened.
Personally, I was projection onto you struggles that are going inside me and NO, you are not that.
Me thinks you should not bother with this forum anymore. This is a place to learn and heal,and sincerity is key here witch comes not without complex inner struggles. You do not sincerely display this. So do yourself a favor!

 

[mkrnhr]

IMHO this sentence is very revelating:

I don't disagree with anything you've said here. It reads as a fair analysis of most people in one way or another.

It's one of the most cleaver tricks of the predator mind to divert attention from self in order to dilute into the multitude (it doesn't matter because it's the same for anybody else etc.). Nothing more can be said to someone who willingly refuses to learn.

 

[stellar]

Well, its been some time since I posted on the Cass Forum.

I have been busy elsewhere, becoming highly notorious and at the same time have been befriended
by many. I have been 'wandering' and in these meanderings have learnt a lot about several alternative communities.

When I first joined the Cass forum I was somewhat naive or blind and was feeling my way. As a result I began bumping into walls.
I doubt that I will continue to bump into walls here and that is a lesson learned.

Reading back over some of my early posts here, I found myself quite embarrassed by some of my statements to members.
I would like to apologise unreservedly to any members who were subjected to certain ignorant statements of mine.

While wandering, I made two very important connections to two wonderful ladies who are probably not members here, though I know that one, who is now my life partner was a member here some time ago and was in communication with Laura. She is a wonderful person.

At present I am busy in company, setting up another forum. This activity keeps me quite busy, although I like to call in here and read some of the latest threads of interest. I'd like to congratulate the team who set up SOTT, it is an excellent and very professional news source.

I like the new look of the forum. ;)

I would like to ask members to think of me at this time and provide some energy unblocking thoughts. There are energies which are preventing me from completing my move to Europe at this time and as a result, I have been seriously ill. However, I am slowly recovering.


Thankyou. :)

Wanderer33

So do you come here to 'feed' on ideas for your new forum and notoriety? The only thought this member has of you right now is suspicion at your constant vagueness and 'fishing' ploys. Been there, done that in my life and it is definitely counterproductive for the real self. As they say 'it's hard to con a con artist' who has seen it all before.

 

[XRz]

Its kind of hard to watch someone completely deny what is right in front of them, more so when there are others actively trying to help them see their reflection.

 

[DGF]

I've read the preface of the Wanderers Handbook, it struck me that the person has the "woe is me" complex. I never like to operate from such a place. Life is hard, but I like to think of it as it being the only game in town, and I want to be part of it. I was struck by the fact that the preface was dated Sept 3, 94. That's my birthday in 94. Dododododo Well I can't say much more than that. Other than to say "Life's a garden dig it" Joe Dirt. ;)

 

[whitecoast]

Wanderer33,
while I certainly agree that people who dwell on potentially having such status for therapeutic and subjective reasons, a person who wonders such a thing in passing could be correct. Like you said, the return dumbed down and duller on account of human genetic and environmental influences, and maybe that inner knowledge of their status just turns around and poisons them?

Also, I think it may be erroneous to say that the would have "no way of accomplishing their mission", since wouldn't the exclusion of that possibility somehow prevent their descent if their intentions and plans were genuinely STO?

 

[ScarletBegonias]

It's fascinating to observe the "hook and bait" dynamic in this thread and I appreciate the dialogue on it!

Secondly, directing one's assessments of others in a negative light without having full knowledge can never be a desireable pursuit as it is prone to error.

I think the same could be true for directing one's assessments of others in a positive light without having full knowledge. As pieces of a puzzle are put together and intuition comes into play, it is natural for people to begin to discern judgements...

After year's of teaching, I find that guidance with respect and an optimistic manner is much more efficacious than its negative which tends to produce unnecessary barrier's for the student's desire to learn. Yes, the world can be a dark place, but emphasising this darkness in all of our utterances can have negative results, for others and ourselves.

This "darkness in ALL of our utterances" reads like a straw man fallacy to me, but perhaps I am mistaken..?

I think if we really want to help the students survive in the real world that we have to teach them the truth. We have to teach about the positive and the negative, the "light" and the "dark." Having a good self-esteem might make us feel better, but does it also make us think better if we got there by just focusing on the positive while disassociating from the negative?

If we just direct our students to think positively of themselves without having full knowledge of if they actually should be thinking this way or not about themselves, then aren't we just promoting narcissistic behaviors within them? It fascinates me how much narcissistic qualities are promoted in general in the educational systems, though I am not implying this of your classroom. This is just a general observation I have made.

 

[nofretete1969]

Hello,

I is very difficult to write this down, but I do my best.

Why I think I'm a posibility to be a wanderer?

My waking up process begun already for 5 years ago after a heavy operation. Suddenly I noticed that something goes wrong here on earth. I begun to ask questions about life. I want to know.

For 3 years ago my physical health was not the best. I felt sad and out of energie not able to seize clear thoughts. I did not understand the world any longer with all the abysses over so long time away since which I live. A lot of questions no answers: When does it stop? What did I do wrong? And also ask, give it somewhat out past live, which I have to learn? In this time I already knew something about attacks of strangers enemy. Naturally I wanted also know whether in this case happend to me.

Please the whole does not understand as self-pity I know that feelings are not able to give answers.

A friend of mine recommended a channeling my aura (not be able to describe it better in english words). She read me and told some amusing things about me. She said I was a higher soul to decide would have to ground again to return to lern more on the hard way. I was to be connected with the higher strength. Everything was taken up on cartridge.

For a better understanding I tell my life was a fight, a battle for a small little quality of life.

Sometimes things felt in the right way. For a few weeks I begun to read the material from RA. In this forum and also in the C's Transkripte an the Wave books have told. I could find it only in english so I use a translationprogram. In this case I could find some possibility explanations what could happend with my life.

 

[davey72]

I apologise for calling you a man. I had no idea....not that you come across in a masculine way. That's not it. Its always a pleasure to converse with you even if it means walking away with blood dripping from my nose. lol

Most men who read my posts initially think I'm a man - sort of reminds me of what the character in the Matrix, Trinity, said to Neo when they first met, and he mentioned that he thought she was a man - "most men do". ;) If that sort of thing bothered me, I'd have bigger troubles than I can imagine.

I don't disagree with anything you've said here. It reads as a fair analysis of most people in one way or another.

they tend to not want to 'hang around' a place that requires them to take an honest (and often unpleasant) look at the truth about themselves.

Not altogether true in my case. I often promote this forum where it is applicable. My excuse for not spending more time here is that I am
elsewhere participating. If I can say something about reading others with limited knowledge and labelling them accordingly. Firstly, one can never know regarding the entire life of another, nor their motivations or intent. Secondly, directing one's assessments of others in a negative light without having full knowledge can never be a desireable pursuit as it is prone to error.

After year's of teaching, I find that guidance with respect and an optimistic manner is much more efficacious than its negative which tends to produce unnecessary barrier's for the student's desire to learn. Yes, the world can be a dark place, but emphasising this darkness in all of our utterances can have negative results, for others and ourselves.

I really think your choices are quite obvious and reflected quite clearly in your life and who you are - in what you understand and how you come across. In fact, it could not be more clear. It can be no other way, it's simply the fact of the matter that this forum serves a very particular purpose, one that does not fit what you have decided you are comfortable with. This has been evident for quite some time, which is why I have often wondered why you return time and time again to something you obviously so deeply disagree with (that is objective truth and it's discovery/implementation in ones life, no matter how painful it is to actually wake up).

I thought you were male at first as wwll. Perhaps because of yer hard hitting, no holds barred approach to calling out BS. Yer pretty good at shocking my system, peesonally. I think that you have taught me more about myself than anyone else, so far. And no, i am not kissing yer ass in any way. Just showing my appreciation in my own small way.