Guide for people that believe they are a Wanderer

wanderer33 said:
Have to say I've learnt some lessons and expanded my knowledge a little while I've been here.

I certainly will be asking more questions. I've got a lot of them.

I have noticed a level of intolerance from some users which verges on rudeness/elitism. Thankfully that
attitude seems to be rare. Most users here bend over backwards to help.

There is so much material here, its difficult to get up to speed quickly. Also the ground rules are a little different from other sites

and it takes a little time in getting used to.

I'm glad to hear that you notice a difference in this forum. Yes, it does take some time to get used to it and up to speed, but I can assure you it is well worth it. On the face of it, it appears that this forum is harsh but it really isn't. Take notice of the calmer atmosphere here as opposed to the chaos of other forums. It's very conducive to learning as it cuts down on the noise factor.
 
wanderer33 said:
Have to say I've learnt some lessons and expanded my knowledge a little while I've been here.

I certainly will be asking more questions. I've got a lot of them.

I have noticed a level of intolerance from some users which verges on rudeness/elitism. Thankfully that
attitude seems to be rare. Most users here bend over backwards to help.

There is so much material here, its difficult to get up to speed quickly. Also the ground rules are a little different from other sites

and it takes a little time in getting used to.


You may want to ask yourself if those that you think of as rude and elite-ish is caused by a bruised "self-important" ego, or is it an objective look at what is really being said. It is easy to confuse the two, as I can attest to. :)

When we are first learning about cleaning our machines, going through the reading material and getting objective suggestions, our self-importance will, undoubtedly, be set off and quite a few programs will be tripped. Sitting and really looking at suggestions and information given here, looking at our reactions to them and mulling them over for a period of time, can really produce amazing benefits to those who are really seeking to see themselves objectively, to clean their machines. It can really be a wondrous experience as the brain is rewired with new-found knowledge about the self.

Please note that suggestions given here are for the benefit of the "real self", not the predator that rules us, not the various programs that we display, but that little spark of our true self. This is what is trying to be freed to be able to see the light of day. And in order to do this, the programs and buffers have to be burnt away in the friction between our subjective ideas of ourselves and the objective knowledge that we are being given.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
You may want to ask yourself if those that you think of as rude and elite-ish is caused by a bruised "self-important" ego, or is it an objective look at what is really being said. It is easy to confuse the two, as I can attest to. :)

When we are first learning about cleaning our machines, going through the reading material and getting objective suggestions, our self-importance will, undoubtedly, be set off and quite a few programs will be tripped. Sitting and really looking at suggestions and information given here, looking at our reactions to them and mulling them over for a period of time, can really produce amazing benefits to those who are really seeking to see themselves objectively, to clean their machines. It can really be a wondrous experience as the brain is rewired with new-found knowledge about the self.

Please note that suggestions given here are for the benefit of the "real self", not the predator that rules us, not the various programs that we display, but that little spark of our true self. This is what is trying to be freed to be able to see the light of day. And in order to do this, the programs and buffers have to be burnt away in the friction between our subjective ideas of ourselves and the objective knowledge that we are being given.

These are important points. I've already posted it once today, but it bears repeating:

It is, indeed, the predatory part, the programs, that see truth as "not nice" or "not caring." The same way, a child sees the parent saying "no" as not nice and not caring. It is the infantile narcissistic rage coming to the surface and it fights like heck for dominance because, as always:

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind.

The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now. ...

'I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.'" (Castaneda, 1998, pp. 213-220)


Remember The First Initiation by Jeanne de Salzmann:

You will see that in life you receive exactly what you give. Your life is the mirror of what you are. It is in your image. You are passive, blind, demanding. You take all, you accept all, without feeling any obligation. Your attitude toward the world and toward life is the attitude of one who has the right to make demands and to take, who has no need to pay or to earn. You believe that all things are your due, simply because it is you! All your blindness is there! None of this strikes your attention. And yet this is what keeps one world separate from another world.

You have no measure with which to measure yourselves. You live exclusively according to “I like” or “I don’t like,” you have no appreciation except for yourself. You recognize nothing above you—theoretically, logically, perhaps, but actually no. That is why you are demanding and continue to believe that everything is cheap and that you have enough in your pocket to buy everything you like. You recognize nothing above you, either outside yourself or inside. That is why, I repeat, you have no measure and live passively according to your likes and dislikes.

Yes, your “appreciation of yourself” blinds you. It is the biggest obstacle to a new life. You must be able to get over this obstacle, this threshold, before going further. This test divides men into two kinds: the “wheat” and the “chaff.” No matter how intelligent, how gifted, how brilliant a man may be, if he does not change his appreciation of himself, there will be no hope for an inner development, for a work toward self-knowledge, for a true becoming. He will remain such as he is all his life. The first requirement, the first condition, the first test for one who wishes to work on himself is to change his appreciation of himself. He must not imagine, not simply believe or think, but see things in himself which he has never seen before, see them actually. His appreciation will never be able to change as long as he sees nothing in himself. And in order to see, he must learn to see; this is the first initiation of man into self-knowledge.

First of all, he has to know what he must look at. When he knows, he must make efforts, keep his attention, look constantly with persistence. Only through maintaining his attention, and not forgetting to look, one day, perhaps, he will be able to see. If he sees one time he can see a second time, and if that continues he will no longer be able not to see. This is the state to be looked for, it is the aim of our observation; it is from there that the true wish will be born, the irresistible wish to become: from cold we shall become warm, vibrant; we shall be touched by our reality.

Today we have nothing but the illusion of what we are. We think too highly of ourselves. We do not respect ourselves. In order to respect myself, I have to recognize a part in myself which is above the other parts, and my attitude toward this part should bear witness to the respect that I have for it. In this way I shall respect myself. And my relations with others will be governed by the same respect.

You must understand that all the other measures—talent, education, culture, genius—are changing measures, measures of detail. The only exact measure, the only unchanging, objective real measure is the measure of inner vision. I see—I see myself—by this, you have measured. With one higher real part, you have measured another lower part, also real. And this measure, defining by itself the role of each part, will lead you to respect for yourself.

But you will see that it is not easy. And it is not cheap. You must pay dearly. For bad payers, lazy people, parasites, no hope. You must pay, pay a lot, and pay immediately, pay in advance. Pay with yourself. By sincere, conscientious, disinterested efforts. The more you are prepared to pay without economizing, without cheating, without any falsification, the more you will receive. And from that time on you will become acquainted with your nature. And you will see all the tricks, all the dishonesties that your nature resorts to in order to avoid paying hard cash. Because you have to pay with your ready-made theories, with your rooted convictions, with your prejudices, your conventions, your “I like” and “I don’t like.” Without bargaining, honestly, without pretending. Trying “sincerely” to see as you offer your counterfeit money.

Try for a moment to accept the idea that you are not what you believe yourself to be, that you overestimate yourself, in fact that you lie to yourself. That you always lie to yourself every moment, all day, all your life. That this lying rules you to such an extent that you cannot control it any more. You are the prey of lying. You lie, everywhere. Your relations with others—lies. The upbringing you give, the conventions—lies. Your teaching—lies. Your theories, your art—lies. Your social life, your family life—lies. And what you think of yourself—lies also.

But you never stop yourself in what you are doing or in what you are saying because you believe in yourself. You must stop inwardly and observe. Observe without preconceptions, accepting for a time this idea of lying. And if you observe in this way, paying with yourself, without self-pity, giving up all your supposed riches for a moment of reality, perhaps you will suddenly see something you have never before seen in yourself until this day. You will see that you are different from what you think you are. You will see that you are two. One who is not, but takes the place and plays the role of the other. And one who is, yet so weak, so insubstantial, that he no sooner appears than he immediately disappears. He cannot endure lies. The least lie makes him faint away. He does not struggle, he does not resist, he is defeated in advance. Learn to look until you have seen the difference between your two natures, until you have seen the lies, the deception in yourself. When you have seen your two natures, that day, in yourself, the truth will be born.
 
wanderer33 said:
Mona, if you were one of the weaker souls, you would not have come here. Think about it.

I think you are right, Wanderer33, I used to be a lot worse. I consider this forum and Laura's work as a school that I finally started to really enjoy and to learn from. I started with a D and F marks and now I think I am a C average. I am aming for an A+ but that could be a slight exaggeration, maybe a little wishful thinking on my part. I know, there is so much here in this forum. For me it is much easier to read Laura's books than to read the material on line; it's much easier on my eyes also. The thing is that I found that I have to read the books twice to really understand the material fully; I started reading them the second time. I have 10 books of Laura's already so now I am on Book #4 of the Wave series. My problem was that when I started reading Laura's book for the first time I usually got through it too quickly and then I could not wait to get the next book and I would read thought it too quickly as well. The advantage I have is that I have them all at home so I can take my time. If you can just pick up her first book of the Wave series, that will help you get more organized. The only disadvantage you will encounter is that you will not be able to put down the book untill you read the whole thing.

I am glad you came to join us. :D
 
Well, thanks Mona I'm very glad I joined this group. Think I've been looking for this group for a long time. :)

Laura, the first time I read that quote from Castaneda it raised the hair on the back of my neck.

I now understand it. Think I've been smothering my self rather than the predator. Sagan explained
the reptilian first mind in its physicality. Its very real.

Your child example is right on target.

I'm learning, no doubt about it. It takes time and baby steps.

I certainly appreciate the help.
 
wanderer33 said:
I'm learning, no doubt about it. It takes time and baby steps.

I certainly appreciate the help.

Just remember, I went through all this with the Cs telling me almost every session stuff that was not part of my worldview. When you read the Wave, you are reading about my initiation to reality therapy via the Cs! I had SOOOO many assumptions and beliefs based on so much nonsense. I couldn't even think properly. I had been swimming in polluted water so long, I thought it was clean! Boy, did the Cs ever disabuse me of all that!

It's really ironic, I think, that a "channeled source" would be the means by which I was enabled to face, learn about and deal with the REAL world, eh?
 
I got the sense of that from your replies to them and the questions you were asking. :)

I picked up on your frustration in the early part of the dialogue.
 
wanderer33 said:
I got the sense of that from your replies to them and the questions you were asking. :)

I picked up on your frustration in the early part of the dialogue.

Kinda reflects what you are going through now, eh?
 
I just would like to share something with you. Some of you have already shared your stories of all kinds of attacks, possibly orchestrated by 4D beings or maybe given to you as warning signs from 6D. As a result of reading your stories I have taken extra caution while driving as I have noticed that some of you have even had close calls while driving, and Laura’s family has already been attacked this way in the past.

A few weeks ago I was driving home from work, I took the usual boring route as I always do, and as always I was talking to myself in silence, which is not that unusual for me to do while I drive. By talking with myself it helps me find answers to many of the unanswered questions I have. I was actually just having this weird conversation about 3D humans and the souls who already made it to 4D or 6D and decided to come back to 3D to save humanity. I don’t want to bore you with the details, but basically I was trying to find any common sense in why the wanderers, whose intentions are to awaken the humanity, would want to fall from the garden of Eden again. And then as I was arguing with myself, I was approaching an intersection with a red light and was just about to step gently on my brakes, then I see this car on my left stopping just in time, otherwise it would have hit the driver’s side for sure. An old lady was driving the car and for some reason did not see my car approaching the intersection and therefore wanted to merge into the same lane that I was in.

I was upset for a while but also glad that there was no accident but then I kind of thought about the situation and I remembered that Laura wrote in her books that we are given a lot of signs from the universe. We just need to learn how to read them. So, what if the car stopping just in time meant for me “to stop thinking that the whole point for 4D or 6D being coming to save the humanity has no purpose” or maybe just to stop thinking about this topic completely. OK, fine, I got the point. The next time I promised myself not to discuss this issue in my car.

Well, just yesterday, I was in my car with my mother and having a very short memory, I started discussing with her the same topic while DRIVING. I started discussing that the 3D humans are allowed to be stupid because they are still learning to awaken from this illusion and are allowed to make mistakes, but what reason is there for reincarnated 4D/6D beings to come back to grade 3 when in fact they had already passed it. And I am putting a lot of energy into this discussion and all of a sudden something hit my windshield. It looked like a rusty colored bird hit it, like a Robin, but I was not 100% sure. So I stopped the car and I got out to look inside a school playground (I was doing 30km/hr fortunately as I was driving through a school zone) if there was an injured bird. And sure enough, I thought it was a Robin that hit the windshield, but instead it was a beautiful woodpecker. It was just sitting in the grass looking like it was in a shock. I read that birds go into a kind of a shock after such a traumatic event but eventually they recover quickly. SO I grabbed it with my mittens and took it into my car to warm up. After about 15 minutes it finally started moving a bit until it was fully aware of its surroundings and was ready to fly. I took it outside and released. I was so glad that the bird recovered. I was ready to take it to a bird sanctuary.

Anyway, I got a feeling maybe my experience was a sign given to me either from the universe or the 4D creatures not to seek answers pertaining to wanderers choosing to came back to 3D to awaken humanity. I just find it odd that two such situations would occur to me while driving, and while discussing a topic about wanderers. Could I have caused these incidence while driving and talking about the same issue? Did you have similar incidence where something happened while you talked about the same topic pertaining to CC’s and Laura’s work?
 
Thanks for your reply Truth Seeker. I have read the Ra material and I also remember CC's as well talking about these extraordinary souls choosing to come back to 3D, but I did not find that there was enough of details about these wanderers/souls. Laura seems like she is one of them. I am aware that this topic has been discussed in this thread but still it would be nice to read a book about it in detail. Does anyone know of a book that describes these individuals in more detail?
 
Mona said:
Thanks for your reply Truth Seeker. I have read the Ra material and I also remember CC's as well talking about these extraordinary souls choosing to come back to 3D, but I did not find that there was enough of details about these wanderers/souls. Laura seems like she is one of them. I am aware that this topic has been discussed in this thread but still it would be nice to read a book about it in detail. Does anyone know of a book that describes these individuals in more detail?

You can have a look at :

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cassiopaeans_ra_wanderers.htm

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Wanderers

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/wanderers_handbook.pdf
 
Hi Mona,

The thing that occurred to me as I read your bird event, was that from your perspective, you bare a sense of responsibility for this birdie you interacted with. Your 3D self felt compassion and concern for this 2D being almost as though it were an extension of yourself (assumption?). Do you think that if you had been paying attention, that you could have avoided hitting this bird? If you had tried, would you have crashed into something else? Maybe caused more harm than good? (not that I don't think we should all be paying VERY close attention)

But what if... Just IF...

... Those 4D STO or 6D STO, owing to their more comprehensive view of the Universe, clearly see our inter-related connection. Perhaps they feel a sense of responsibility and want to help us because they can. 3-D (and 2D & 1D) Have been and keep getting hit by an STS Mac Truck! We cannot know what it is like to see from the perspective of a higher density. We cannot know what we will feel when we are able to see so much more clearly.

But I think that 4D STO helping 3D potential STO candidates is not so far different from 3D STO candidate helping 2D birdie.

"When you ask a question - if the question is a burning one - your life becomes the answer. All of your experiences and interactions and so forth shape themselves around the core of the answer that you are seeking in your Soul..." LKJ
 
Nienna Eluch said:
You may want to ask yourself if those that you think of as rude and elite-ish is caused by a bruised "self-important" ego, or is it an objective look at what is really being said. It is easy to confuse the two, as I can attest to. :)

When we are first learning about cleaning our machines, going through the reading material and getting objective suggestions, our self-importance will, undoubtedly, be set off and quite a few programs will be tripped. Sitting and really looking at suggestions and information given here, looking at our reactions to them and mulling them over for a period of time, can really produce amazing benefits to those who are really seeking to see themselves objectively, to clean their machines. It can really be a wondrous experience as the brain is rewired with new-found knowledge about the self.

Please note that suggestions given here are for the benefit of the "real self", not the predator that rules us, not the various programs that we display, but that little spark of our true self. This is what is trying to be freed to be able to see the light of day. And in order to do this, the programs and buffers have to be burnt away in the friction between our subjective ideas of ourselves and the objective knowledge that we are being given.
very true said, i'm for example a very slow student but thanks to the C's through Laura's work, Luara's team and the members of this forum it helps me a lot to see and discern between real I and the predator's mind also little by little,step by step i'm learning to see and understand more objectively the reality in which we live ,who i'm and i can tell this for sure that all these efforts ,the work on my self couldn't be done without the help of all of you guys :) ,so thank you all that are helping and sharing, if i didn't knew or met this forum on my path, i think it could take on another direction or could walk in circles,fighting with myself without knowing why and maybe even worse (being defeated,enslaved by the Lords of entropy)so it really helps to network and even i'm a slowone , i can tell for sure that i've learned a lot thanks to all of you and i hope that one day i could help and give to others how in turn others gave and helped me. Bless you all .
 
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