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[Persej]

I would like to say something about mucolytics and expectorants. I noticed that sometimes certain mucolytic would be very helpful, and sometimes it wouldn't be helpful at all. So I went on to see which one of the mucolytics that I can find in my country is the best and from what I can see none of them is clearly better than the others. Perhaps their success depends on what kind of pathogen you are dealing with. And it seems that some people already realized that and decided to combine them in a single product, and it seems that the combination is better that a single compound.

Patients with acute bronchitis, acute exacerbations of chronic bronchitis and asthmatic bronchitis suffer from cough with tenacious bronchial secretions requiring expectorants in addition to bronchodilating therapy. The present one-week, multicentric, prospective, randomised, double-blind study compared the efficacy and tolerability of three expectorant formulations in 426 patients with productive cough associated with varied aetiology after approval by the institutional review boards. Selected patients received 7 days' treatment with either fixed dose combination (FDC) of salbutamol 2 mg + bromhexine HCI 8 mg + guaiphenesin 100 mg (group A) or salbutamol 2 mg+ guaiphenesin 100 mg expectorant (group B) or salbutamol 2 mg + bromhexine 8 mg (group C) thrice daily after obtaining their informed consent. In group A, there was improvement of symptoms in a larger number of patients and earlier onset of action in reducing cough frequency and severity and improving sputum characteristics as compared to the other two groups. More patients in group A reported excellent efficacy (44.4%) as compared to only 14.6% in Group B and 13% in Group C. Cough expectorant containing salbutamol + bromhexine + guaiphenesin could be the expectorant of choice in alleviating productive cough since it scored in terms of efficacy as well as tolerability over salbutamol with either bromhexine or guaiphenesin alone.

Efficacy, safety and tolerability of salbutamol + guaiphenesin + bromhexine (Ascoril) expectorant versus expectorants containing salbutamol and either guaiphenesin or bromhexine in productive cough: a randomised controlled comparative study - PubMed

Patients with acute bronchitis, acute exacerbations of chronic bronchitis and asthmatic bronchitis suffer from cough with tenacious bronchial secretions requiring expectorants in addition to bronchodilating therapy. The present one-week, multicentric, prospective, randomised, double-blind study...

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Aim: To evaluate the efficacy and safety of a combination drug containing ambroxol, guaifenesin, and levosalbutamol, oral solution, versus Ascoril Expectorant, syrup (combination of bromhexine, guaifenesin, and salbutamol) in the treatment of productive cough in adult patients with acute bronchitis.

Conclusion: The efficacy of a new combination drug containing ambroxol, guaifenesin, and levosalbutamol in the treatment of productive cough in adult patients with acute bronchitis is superior to the efficacy of Ascoril Expectorant. The safety profiles of the study drug and the reference drug were comparable.

[Evaluation of the efficacy and safety of a combination drug containing ambroxol, guaifenesin, and levosalbutamol versus a fixed-dose combination of bromhexine/guaifenesin/salbutamol in the treatment of productive cough in adult patients with acute b

The efficacy of a new combination drug containing ambroxol, guaifenesin, and levosalbutamol in the treatment of productive cough in adult patients with acute bronchitis is superior to the efficacy of Ascoril Expectorant. The safety profiles of the study drug and the reference drug were comparable.

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Q. What is Ambroxol+Levosalbutamol+Guaifenesin?

Ambroxol+Levosalbutamol+Guaifenesin is a combination of three medicines: Ambroxol, Levosalbutamol / Levalbuterol, Guaifenesin. It is used in the treatment of cough with mucus. Ambroxol is a mucolytic. It thins and loosens the mucus (phlegm) which makes it easier to cough out. Levosalbutamol is a bronchodilator and it works by relaxing the muscles of the airways and widens the airways. Guaifenesin is an expectorant. It works by decreasing the stickiness of the mucus (phlegm) and helps to remove it easily from the airways.

 

[Persej]

My mother is currently battling with bronchitis, a second one in the last 3 months, and a third one in the last two years. She didn't have bronchitis for many years prior to this. I don't know if the reason for this is that there are many nasty bugs flowing around in the last few years after covid, or because she is vaxed. Either way, this time, she got some nasty bug that she couldn't get rid of. Nothing was working, not the antibiotic, not the NAC, not the serrapeptase, not the multivitamin/mineral combo.

While thinking about it, I remembered that a few years ago, before covid, our cousin was also fighting with bronchitis and that the only thing that helped was bromhexine. So I decided to buy that for my mother. When I mentioned that to her, she remembered that she was taking that medicine a couple of decades before. It seems that not only that she forgot about that medicine, but doctors as well, since I haven't heard that they prescribe that drug anymore, even though that you can still buy it in pharmacy, so it's not forbidden, it's just that it lost in popularity, I guess.

So she started taking it yesterday and I noticed that she significantly reduced her coughing after just a first tablet. And this is a small tablet, 8 mg, and you are supposed to take 3 per day. Today, after a third tablet, she says that she feels much better. So I would say that this is definitely working.

I found only one mention on the forum of this drug in this post. And it seems that it not only works as mucolytic, but it can also block some viruses, like covid-19.

Effect of bromhexine on clinical outcomes and mortality in COVID-19 patients: A randomized clinical trial - PubMed

<span><b><i>Introduction:</i></b> Bromhexine is a potential therapeutic option in COVID-19, but no data from a randomized clinical trial has been available. The present study aimed to evaluate the efficacy of bromhexine in intensive care unit (ICU) admission, mechanical ventilation, and...

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Blocking serine protease (TMPRSS2) by Bromhexine; looking at potential treatment to prevent COVID-19 infection

Not applicable. Manuscript is being submitted under Viewpoints category.

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Europe PMC

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I don't know if there is anything else that this can do, but it obviously does something very well, since my mother is now taking it without anything else, so it's not working as a synergy in combination with antibiotics or anything else. It's doing its own thing. So I would definitely put it on any respiratory pathogen protocol. The only potential problem is that we cannot be sure that it will work on any bug, so some bugs might be better treated with some other mucolytics.

Perhaps we should pay more attention to mucolytics, because they might be more powerful than we previously thought. They are old and proven, cheap, you don't need a prescription, they are not controversial like ivermectin, and like in this case, they might be even better than antibiotics.

 

[XPan]

Bromhexine in Sweden

I checked up bromhexine at the Swedish FASS.se - which is like a 'drug bible' for everyone to check out the manuals / package leaflets etc about each product that is sold here; from ingredients, to side effects, and how-to-do's, etc.

Bromhexine does have its own sets of possible side effects.

Bromhexin Apofri (Oral lösning 1,6 mg/ml) • Bipacksedel | FASS Patient

Bipacksedel: Bromhexin Apofri - Oral lösning 1,6 mg/ml • Läkemedelsföretag: Evolan | FASS Patient → för dig som är patient eller närstående

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For the product "Bromhexidin Apofri" for example lists possible side effects.

It wasn't truly clear to me how much bromhexine is in the (in Sweden) sold product. It appears to be rather little; 0.8 and 1.6 ml per ml fluid [compared to what was mentioned in the post of @Altair on 21 Sep 2021]

Stop using Bromhexine Apofri and contact your doctor immediately if you experience any of the following serious symptoms:

Anaphylactic reactions including anaphylactic shock, angioedema (rapidly increasing swelling in and under the skin and in and under mucous membranes) and pruritus (Has been reported - occurs in an unknown number of users).

Severe skin reactions (including erythema multiforme, Stevens-Johnson syndrome/toxic epidermal necrolysis and acute generalized exanthematous pustulosis) (Reported - occurs in an unknown number of users).

Severe bronchospasm (Has been reported - occurs in an unknown number of users).


Other side effects that may occur:

Uncommon (may occur in up to 1 in 100 users): Mild gastrointestinal side effects, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea.
Rare (may occur in up to 1 in 1,000 users): Hypersensitivity reactions, skin rash, hives.


Bromhexine Apofri contains sorbitol, methyl parahydroxybenzoate, propyl parahydroxybenzoate and propylene glycol

Bromhexine Apofri contains 532 mg sorbitol per ml.
Sorbitol is a source of fructose. If you (or your child) cannot tolerate certain sugars, or if you (or your child) have been diagnosed with hereditary fructose intolerance, a rare, inherited disorder that makes you unable to break down fructose, consult your doctor before using this medicine. Sorbitol may cause gastrointestinal discomfort and may have a mild laxative effect.

Bromhexine Apofri contains methyl parahydroxybenzoate and propyl parahydroxybenzoate.
May cause an allergic reaction (possibly delayed).

Bromhexine Apofri contains 40 mg propylene glycol per ml.


Declaration of contents
The active substance is bromhexine hydrochloride (0,8 mg/ml and 1,6 mg/ml).

The other ingredients are:

sorbitol (E240)
propylene glycol (E1520)
methyl parahydroxybenzoate (E218)
propyl parahydroxybenzoate (E216),
saccharin sodium,
cherry flavoring,
purified water.

 

[Persej]

Yes, there is only 8 mg version in my country, but it's still very powerful. In Sweden, there is at least bigger packaging for tablets, so it is very cheap if you buy the biggest package.

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There are a lot of studies about inhibiting TMPRSS2 as a strategy against viruses, including influenza. If that is how the bromhexin works, then that would explain why it is so powerful. Of course, that doesn't make it a universal antiviral, but since the ordinary folks don't have anything potent against viruses that is easily available, I think that this could be a very useful tool.

 

[Persej]

My mother's cough is back again. She started to cough a lot last night and today is the same as before. I'm not sure how to explain this, since she clearly had a lot of improvement on the first and half of second day of taking bromhexine. Perhaps she previously had some amount of something in her body from her previous protocol and once that became completely cleared, the bromhexine was no longer efficient. The last thing she took was NAC. She will go to see doctor again today.

 

[aragorn]

My mother is currently battling with bronchitis, a second one in the last 3 months, and a third one in the last two years. She didn't have bronchitis for many years prior to this. I don't know if the reason for this is that there are many nasty bugs flowing around in the last few years after covid, or because she is vaxed.

This is something that I suspect many of us are both noticing and worrying about. I’ve lost count of how many times e.g. my wife and close relatives have had a sickness with very stubborn coughing, lasting for weeks. And yes, all of them have been jibbijabbed. Just two days ago, my mother-in-law informed us that she’s got pneumonia and they had to give her antibiotics intravenously at the hospital. It’s not many months ago that she had something similar. The fact that during the last couple of yesrs I, being unjabbed, have manged to avoid becoming sick ca 90% of the times people near me have been sick, adds to the suspicion that the Covid jabs have, indeed, lowered people’s immune defense. However, strangely, my father-in-law, now 84 Y, who has had at least 6 covid jabs, is not showing any problems. I sometimes wonder if the ’RNA processes’ that are supposed to kickstart the production of spike protein after injection do not commence in ’really old people’ because their systems are already to large extent ’lethargic’ due to old age. Dunno, just speculation.

 

[Gaby]

My mother's cough is back again. She started to cough a lot last night and today is the same as before. I'm not sure how to explain this, since she clearly had a lot of improvement on the first and half of second day of taking bromhexine. Perhaps she previously had some amount of something in her body from her previous protocol and once that became completely cleared, the bromhexine was no longer efficient. The last thing she took was NAC. She will go to see doctor again today.

Ambroxol, mentioned elsewhere in the forum, is a metabolite of bromhexine. Works like a charm in people with COPD and others who have certain genetic mutations that make them produce more mucous. It enhances lysosomes in the cell to get rid of evil stuff.

Lots of pneumonias in the population right now, people with white lungs testing negative for COVID-19. A productive cough of more than 2 weeks often requires a medical visit and, often, antibiotics. Spirometry test before the Winter can help reduce the COPD exacerbations by allowing to adjust treatment and protocols if very altered tests. In general, people with COPD and/or asthma should have them every 2 years.

 

[Persej]

This is something that I suspect many of us are both noticing and worrying about. I’ve lost count of how many times e.g. my wife and close relatives have had a sickness with very stubborn coughing, lasting for weeks. And yes, all of them have been jibbijabbed. Just two days ago, my mother-in-law informed us that she’s got pneumonia and they had to give her antibiotics intravenously at the hospital. It’s not many months ago that she had something similar. The fact that during the last couple of yesrs I, being unjabbed, have manged to avoid becoming sick ca 90% of the times people near me have been sick, adds to the suspicion that the Covid jabs have, indeed, lowered people’s immune defense.

Yes, I definitely noticed that a lot of jabbed people around me have become sick with stubborn bronchitis or pneumonia in the last year. My relative commented that in the house next to her where everyone is jabbed they are sick all the time, while in her unjabbed house everyone is healthy. My mother was not prone to bronchitis before this. She is surprised that this is happening to her.

However, strangely, my father-in-law, now 84 Y, who has had at least 6 covid jabs, is not showing any problems. I sometimes wonder if the ’RNA processes’ that are supposed to kickstart the production of spike protein after injection do not commence in ’really old people’ because their systems are already to large extent ’lethargic’ due to old age. Dunno, just speculation.

6 jabs?! Dear God, he is a true believer in "science". But yeah, luckily for him, it probably doesn't work very well in elderly.

Ambroxol, mentioned elsewhere in the forum, is a metabolite of bromhexine. Works like a charm in people with COPD and others who have certain genetic mutations that make them produce more mucous. It enhances lysosomes in the cell to get rid of evil stuff.

I tried it two years ago, and it didn't have any effect on me. I was coughing, but I had no bronchitis. I gave it also to my mother who had bronchitis that year, and it didn't have effect on her either. I would have probably said the same thing about bromhexine if I haven't seen that it did have an effect for a brief period of time. So it probably has to be combined with something for full effect.

 

[Persej]

She came back from her doctor and she received a mini package of 3 tablets of Azithromycin. This mini package appeared on the market a few years ago, before covid, during the time when antibiotics were forbidden as OTC drugs and even the doctors were monitored for how many antibiotics are prescribing. If they prescribed too much, they would receive penalties. Prior to that, people were used to taking antibiotics for flu, so they became angry that such powerful medicine was taken away from them. So I think that this mini package was designed for such cases. Before that, doctors were always saying that people should never quit taking antibiotics too soon, because bugs can come back and become resistant to antibiotics, but now we have a completely opposite situation where people are given very small dose of antibiotics.

I told her to continue taking bromhexine while taking Azithromycin. If it works for chickens, it should work for humans. If this doesn't work, I will suggest her to try combining bromhexine with NAC.

 

[meadow_wind]

She came back from her doctor and she received a mini package of 3 tablets of Azithromycin.

I once had to take this when I was 28 and ended up with both a urinary infection + yeast infection as secondary effects because it's broad spectrum. It might be a good idea to supplement with fermented food, pre & probiotics.

Have you tried diffusing essential oils to help relieve her? (with an ultrasonic diffuser)
Especially Eucalyptus radiata is a good one. It can help relieve bronchitis symptoms when inhaled. Can also help with other upper respiratory issues like sinusitis and pharyngitis.

Also, boiling water, pouring it in a bowl, having her breathe the steam with a cloth on top of her head to keep the steam from escaping.

 

[Happy Poo]

Hi Persej, I've had a couple of really bad episodes like this a few years ago when I lived in London with the pollution etc.

Fresh thyme is a great natural treatment, lot's of it if your Mum can tolerate it. I bought a good few large bunches.

Take a bunch of the fresh herb, steep in boiling water, covered (Very important as this stops the essential oils from evaporating), after around ten min or more, drink the tea after it has cooled a little, making sure to always cover the liquid to prevent the oils escaping. I did this several times a day, for many days, can't remember exactly it was over ten years ago now. Also you can do this and just inhale the essential oils from the tea too.
It works well as an expectorant, kills bacteria, reduces coughing and inflammation.
And like Meadow_wind suggested I also experimented with various essential oils like tea tree, eucalyptus, lavender and frankincense, and put them in hot water, in a pot with a towel over my head to inhale the oils. Worked well for me. It sounds vague, sorry I can't be more specific with amounts as I was just trying whatever I could.

 

[echo]

She came back from her doctor and she received a mini package of 3 tablets of Azithromycin. This mini package appeared on the market a few years ago, before covid, during the time when antibiotics were forbidden as OTC drugs and even the doctors were monitored for how many antibiotics are prescribing. If they prescribed too much, they would receive penalties. Prior to that, people were used to taking antibiotics for flu, so they became angry that such powerful medicine was taken away from them. So I think that this mini package was designed for such cases. Before that, doctors were always saying that people should never quit taking antibiotics too soon, because bugs can come back and become resistant to antibiotics, but now we have a completely opposite situation where people are given very small dose of antibiotics.

I told her to continue taking bromhexine while taking Azithromycin. If it works for chickens, it should work for humans. If this doesn't work, I will suggest her to try combining bromhexine with NAC.

My mom had bronchitis after taking the shot(s) and NAC is what finally helped her.

 

[Persej]

She was drinking tea all the time, but only the one that she likes to drink (hibiscus & rosehips). I just bought her Winter Savory. It's popular in my country, and they say it's good for respiratory system. I will put some Eucalyptus oil in a hanging humidifier in her room. We don't have an ultrasonic diffuser, but I know that a lot of people are using inhalers with good results.

I want to buy her a goose fat. That also became popular in my country last year when these nasty bugs that were resistant to usual protocols appeared, and some people said that it helped them a lot. There is now a Hungarian shop in a city that apparently sells it for a good price. The domestic producers are charging for it like it is made from a golden goose.

My mom had bronchitis after taking the shot(s) and NAC is what finally helped her.

She was taking NAC with her original protocol that her doctor prescribed to her, and it didn't help her. Sometimes NAC works and sometimes it doesn't.

 

[iamthatis]

She was drinking tea all the time, but only the one that she likes to drink (hibiscus & rosehips). I just bought her Winter Savory. It's popular in my country, and they say it's good for respiratory system. I will put some Eucalyptus oil in a hanging humidifier in her room. We don't have an ultrasonic diffuser, but I know that a lot of people are using inhalers with good results.

I want to buy her a goose fat. That also became popular in my country last year when these nasty bugs that were resistant to usual protocols appeared, and some people said that it helped them a lot. There is now a Hungarian shop in a city that apparently sells it for a good price. The domestic producers are charging for it like it is made from a golden goose.



She was taking NAC with her original protocol that her doctor prescribed to her, and it didn't help her. Sometimes NAC works and sometimes it doesn't.

Is/was she taking only NAC? Any Lipo C, D, Mg, B? I had a prolonged virus recently, and I think megadose Vit D helped keep it from developing into a worse infection.

 

[Persej]

Is/was she taking only NAC? Any Lipo C, D, Mg, B? I had a prolonged virus recently, and I think megadose Vit D helped keep it from developing into a worse infection.

This is her multi. It's among two of the best multi products on the market. Yes, it could be improved with megadose Vitamin D and some other things, but I have to be gentle with her because she was never too much into supplements. She prefers getting something from a doctor.

Apparently, she stopped coughing, so perhaps this azithromycin/bromhexine combo is working.