Health & Wellness Show 16/12/16:How to become a mitochondriac with Dr Jack Kruse

[Keyhole]

Although this second show was to me very similar, perhaps it's my ignorance of the subject, but I feel he's constantly trying to sell me something, and he's using impact techniques to do so, and that has always bothered me personally.

Yes, I agree that the way he puts himself across is very, "Listen up; I know everything, and you can know it too if you follow me and become one of my disciples." But having read some of his book, one of the things that stood out for me in his writing that I was surprised at (as it comes through less so when he's talking) is that I get a very strong impression that he actually does really care about the reader and is passionate about helping people and getting the truth out. I mean, you don't go through ten years of training, to the detriment of your family's relationships and income in order to become a neurosurgeon, if you don't have a passion for helping people.

My impression also. After reading many of his blog series, the book, articles, and every single interview available online, I also truly believe that he cares a lot about helping people overcome illness. This can be evidenced in the way that he replies to almost every comment on the blog, almost all of the comments/questions on his forum (which is free), and by how much time, effort and dedication he has spent on his website. I also think that this is one of the reasons he has so much of an issue with the "alternative health community" and why he sometimes is derogatory toward the proponents of the paradigm that views food as the most important input for the body to stay healthy.

I don't know if I'm right, but I felt I thought I could give a half-decent counter to your own thoughts on Kruse, for the benefit of the discussion.

I do think the there are holes in his theories. I would have loved one of the presenters to question him on why people's health started to go downhill when agriculture was discovered, since he states that macronutrients don't matter and the main cause of neolithic disease is non-native EMF.

Kruse clearly gets identified in conversation from time to time and will come out with a blanket statement like "macronutrients don't matter". This is not actually his take on the whole subject. In several blogs he makes reference to the deleterious effects of grains on human health and refers to comparisons between pre/post-agricultural man, hence why it wasn't a question that needed asking IMO. Apologies though, as it may have cleared up some of the confusion about his stance on food.

I tend to think that he gets carried away in his interviews, and is so fed-up of out-dated models of human physiology that he makes shock-type statements which might intrigue the listener. For me, hearing him say "food is not body's main energy source" and "macro-nutrients don't matter" on an interview is what genuinely sparked my interest and caused me to delve further into his written work. I am glad, because now I have a better understanding of structured water, mitochondria, light, and Gilbert Ling. In all honestly, I also would say that food alone is not the 'be all and end all'. It is only one of several inputs, and this is something that food-focused writers neglect.

 

[Keyhole]

And I wonder if he's ever considered the emotional aspect in his model of the functioning of the human body a la Gabor Mate, i'd say that maybe this light emanation he discusses might find itself affected by emotional distress? Or how we pick up others emanations might be equally distortioned?

I haven't stumbled across anything mentioned by Kruse about the emotional distress and biophoton emission. However, there are several researchers in the field who are making these links. Biophotons are often incorporated into information theory, treating the body as an information system and photons as carriers of information.

Healthy humans emit small amounts of coherent biophotons as normal methods of cellular communication. Humans who are sick emit large amounts of disorganized/incoherent biophotons. In other words, chaotic and irregular light emission... they 'leak light'.

This is the way I view the system: For the body to function properly there must be efficient transference of coherent information to maintain organisation. When there is a decrease in coherence and complexity of information, organisation decreases and chaos/entropy increases. Increases in chaos/entropy of the system leads to a state of disease. All inputs to the body are information at a fundamental level.

Food, light, water, EMF, environmental toxins, emotions, raw experience = all is information which is integrated into the body-system.

So in response to what you mentioned above, it would make sense that emotionally traumatic experiences which are repressed may be encoded in the body-information system as incoherent/chaotic information, thereby reducing the overall organisation of the system and increase light emission / leaking light. I think from a theoretical perspective, it would be able to explain Gabor Mate's work on emotions leading to physical disease.

If you're interested in this topic, I have compiled together a couple of lectures on the topic of human light emission/biophoton theory in this post along with some notes.

 

[Alejo]

And I wonder if he's ever considered the emotional aspect in his model of the functioning of the human body a la Gabor Mate, i'd say that maybe this light emanation he discusses might find itself affected by emotional distress? Or how we pick up others emanations might be equally distortioned?

I haven't stumbled across anything mentioned by Kruse about the emotional distress and biophoton emission. However, there are several researchers in the field who are making these links. Biophotons are often incorporated into information theory, treating the body as an information system and photons as carriers of information.

Healthy humans emit small amounts of coherent biophotons as normal methods of cellular communication. Humans who are sick emit large amounts of disorganized/incoherent biophotons. In other words, chaotic and irregular light emission... they 'leak light'.

This is the way I view the system: For the body to function properly there must be efficient transference of coherent information to maintain organisation. When there is a decrease in coherence and complexity of information, organisation decreases and chaos/entropy increases. Increases in chaos/entropy of the system leads to a state of disease. All inputs to the body are information at a fundamental level.

Food, light, water, EMF, environmental toxins, emotions, raw experience = all is information which is integrated into the body-system.

So in response to what you mentioned above, it would make sense that emotionally traumatic experiences which are repressed may be encoded in the body-information system as incoherent/chaotic information, thereby reducing the overall organisation of the system and increase light emission / leaking light. I think from a theoretical perspective, it would be able to explain Gabor Mate's work on emotions leading to physical disease.

If you're interested in this topic, I have compiled together a couple of lectures on the topic of human light emission/biophoton theory in this post along with some notes.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond keyhole!

I've got some reading to do! This sounds truly interesting, I think you make a very good point with the baby and the bath water. Perhaps he's better known through his works rather than through his personality.

I'll check the thread out, thank you much!

 

[Nienna]

Thanks so much for the show, and the links :). I realize there's so much about this I don't know

Just a few impressions below:

The last interview gave me a bad taste in my mouth about Jack Kruse. This was much better.

Yes, same here. I quit listening to the first show Kruse was in. I just couldn't stand listening to him.

To me, he was better in this latest interview.

agreed

Although this second show was to me very similar, perhaps it's my ignorance of the subject, but I feel he's constantly trying to sell me something, and he's using impact techniques to do so, and that has always bothered me personally.

Ditto!

At times it felt like he was the car salesman who went "listen, you can't afford this car if you're not willing to spend some extra cash, you obviously don't care about your well being..". Sometimes I felt he wouldn't answer questions and would go right into "I'm not gonna invest my time unless you have skin in the game" which to me sounds like money. Although I will say that knowledge is valuable and can't be given away for free, I just don't know if it should be treated as a commodity.

I agree!

He's incredibly knowledgeable, and perhaps this has made him so scattered. And maybe the way he answers questions by asking questions he knows you don't know the answer to with an almost belittling attitude is just how he is and that's that. But my overall impression is that he's a business man.

Yes, I noted the belittling attitude, too. And, there's no doubt that he's incredibly knowledgeable. I am just at the point where anyone who is saying that what he has found will heal/cure almost everything that is ailing you is either a snake oil salesman, or is delusional.

But again, I say all this without having looked deeply into his conferences and webinars and so on. And perhaps that's what I'm missing, I do think the information begs a deeper look and maybe that's what his goal is. So maybe I'm wrong in my impressions, and I'm reacting too strongly to a personality type that I have a predisposition to react against. But whatever the case I think I'll be looking into all this mithocondria information.

I think it's all fairly interesting, too. However, researching something like this will be a slow-go for me.

 

[Altair]

Fascinating show! There are also audio versions of Reality #1 and Reality #2 and some of his other articles: _https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbuBc6jtT5uRx4KrfmVr99w

 

[happyliza]

Thanks Keyhole for all the research your have done and detail given above. I have found the topic very interesting and have been making many notes from his blogs/website. I think it sheds a whole new light on many things - important things that he has done a great job of figuring out and connecting.

By reading his blogs I found it easier to understand what he was saying as he does explain things at an easier level for me there.

I have already bought a whole slew of books to study off my 'wish' list, so is there any one book you would recommend for now? I will keep the other titles on the new 'list'?

If you're interested in this topic, I have compiled together a couple of lectures on the topic of human light emission/biophoton theory in this post along with some notes.

The link above does not seem to work for me.

I think you asked very good and well researched questions on the show too

 

[987baz]

Thanks Keyhole for all the research your have done and detail given above. I have found the topic very interesting and have been making many notes from his blogs/website. I think it sheds a whole new light on many things - important things that he has done a great job of figuring out and connecting.

By reading his blogs I found it easier to understand what he was saying as he does explain things at an easier level for me there.

I have already bought a whole slew of books to study off my 'wish' list, so is there any one book you would recommend for now? I will keep the other titles on the new 'list'?

If you're interested in this topic, I have compiled together a couple of lectures on the topic of human light emission/biophoton theory in this post along with some notes.

The link above does not seem to work for me.

I think you asked very good and well researched questions on the show too

I agree, thanks so much keyhole for your efforts, I do find his stuff fascinating and have implemented quite a few of his ideas already, mainly the blue light blocking, the more dha and getting regular morning sun as well as vitamin d. All of which seem to have helped my circadian rhythm, previously I was a night owl and found it very hard to get up in the morning, now I am the opposite.

I also tried the link, and it seems not to be working, would appreciate, when you get a chance, to relink for us.

 

[Keyhole]

Oops, here is the correct link: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,41442.msg682637.html#msg682637

 

[987baz]

Oops, here is the correct link: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,41442.msg682637.html#msg682637

awesome, thanks keyhole, link works, time for some more reading

 

[Keyhole]

Thanks Keyhole for all the research your have done and detail given above. I have found the topic very interesting and have been making many notes from his blogs/website. I think it sheds a whole new light on many things - important things that he has done a great job of figuring out and connecting.

Glad it helped happyliza. I appreciate that some people don't have the time to read them, so I try to summarize things here and there from what I can make of it.

By reading his blogs I found it easier to understand what he was saying as he does explain things at an easier level for me there.

I completely agree. Listening to him speak on a podcast was really confusing at first, but when I read his blogs it was presented in a more easily understandable manner with all the references to back up the science. After reading the blogs, the interviews started to make sense and so many times I have had "Aha!!" moments. It just feels like pieces of the puzzle fall into place, and seem to be completely in line with a lot of what the C's have said over the years.

I have already bought a whole slew of books to study off my 'wish' list, so is there any one book you would recommend for now? I will keep the other titles on the new 'list'?

Ok, I would say the most important is "Fourth Phase of Water" by Gerald Pollack, "Body Electric" by Robert O Becker, and "Light in Shaping Life" by Roeland Van Wijk (but that one is difficult and very expensive, so not 100% essential).

There are also some books on mitochondria by Nick Lane which are on my reading list also.

On the "Circadian Biology Determines Health" thread I have attempted to summarise a lot of the content in some posts with the most important information. So if you can't get the books, just check out the thread and read some of the blogs I cite in the post, then check out the interviews etc.

I would highly recommend reading the "Energy and Epigenetics" blog series, simply because it outlines some of the basic principles underpinning how humans obtain energy. Other than that, all of the blog series I have read are awesome. Hope that helps!

Oops, here is the correct link: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,41442.msg682637.html#msg682637

awesome, thanks keyhole, link works, time for some more reading

Glad it helped. 987baz

 

[Persej]

The foundational concepts that underpin Kruse's work are really pretty basic... just live as a human would do in a pre-agricultural world. For the majority of people, all they need to know is to focus on is: adequate daylight, blocking all artificial light, eat paleo, grounding when outside, avoid EMF. When these things are put into practice, they really are quite simple.

Well, that is kinda a problem with his theory. All of our recent ancestors lived like that (minus the paleo thing) and they were not very healthy.

And I think that him saying that genetics play no role in human health is just crazy. Genetics play a big role in plants and animals also, not just humans.

I have a bad feeling about JK.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Good point on the ancestors.

I also don't understand his "loading up on sunlight" which he was focusing on Glasgow, etc.
They have sunlight too, does he mean you have to sit in perfect 12 o clock equator/summer sun to get enough?

As much as we can get energy from the sun, we also get energy from plants that get energy from the sun and the animals that eat them.

The device they sell seems to be like a focused FAR/UV device for that area where a lot of blood flows near the wrist.

And another interesting idea, northern climate/cold climate people tend to have lighter skin and their veins are more visible. Is that somehow to better pick up light/infrared energy into the blood?
UV I'm not sure about, it tends to get stopped easier by skin- higher frequency radio signals for example don't penetrate as deeply as lower frequencies, same with light.

Another interesting connection is the electrical potential which is related to magnetism. From how we see that bad metals like mercury/lead and flouride/bromide change electrical interactions, perhaps that is why iodine has been getting us great results.

The MTHFR gene still is a mystery along with those who have too much iron, usually from northern climates.

 

[Keyhole]

The foundational concepts that underpin Kruse's work are really pretty basic... just live as a human would do in a pre-agricultural world. For the majority of people, all they need to know is to focus on is: adequate daylight, blocking all artificial light, eat paleo, grounding when outside, avoid EMF. When these things are put into practice, they really are quite simple.

Well, that is kinda a problem with his theory. All of our recent ancestors lived like that (minus the paleo thing) and they were not very healthy.

And I think that him saying that genetics play no role in human health is just crazy. Genetics play a big role in plants and animals also, not just humans.

I have a bad feeling about JK.

I'm not sure I understand where the problem is. An agricultural-based diet is sure to cause health isssues for some people in the long run, and this is not something that is denied. We see this in the health of our modern ancestors. However, these health issues were limited to some degree. Diabetes, cancer, osteoporosis, obesity - these occured, but were fairly uncommon from what I understand.

Today, these diseases have skyrocketed. In addition to this, in the past hundred years we have seen strange, random diseases just appear out of nowhere. Autoimmunity was practically unheard of until we started using artificial light. Autism, again, was practically unheard of until the 1990s-2000.

On the subjct of genetics, that is merely his opinion an no one can state as a matter of fact whether that is correct or not. I personally don't agree with him on that either, and believe that genetics do play a role. Either way, he has provided us with a lot of informaton that is not his opinion, but is verifiable. So whether he is wrong about some of his ideas or not, there seems to be a wealth of data that needs further investigation

 

[Keyhole]

I also don't understand his "loading up on sunlight" which he was focusing on Glasgow, etc.
They have sunlight too, does he mean you have to sit in perfect 12 o clock equator/summer sun to get enough?

As much as we can get energy from the sun, we also get energy from plants that get energy from the sun and the animals that eat them.

So to understand what he means by this, its a good idea to read Gerald Pollack's "The Fourth Phase of Water. Then, to read "Light in Shaping Life" by Roeland Van Wijk.

The modern paradigm states that food provides "energy" to fuel the chemical processes in the body. It does this by being broken down into electrons which are then turned into ATP in the mitochondria. The third phosphate bond in ATP is said to contain a high amount of usable energy, so when ATP is broken down it releases the energy to fuel a reaction.

However - According to physiologist Gilbert Ling's calculations, there is a serious energy deficit. The amount of ATP produced by the body can only account for a small fraction of the body's total energy requirements. He asked the question: If ATP cannot provide the energy, then what does it do?

In short, Ling found that ATP has a different (unknown) function alltogether. ATP interacts with proteins to unfold them and to expose binding sites for... Water. He theorized that water binding to proteins must provide some sort of electrical energy, and that this could account for the rest of the energy deficit (the majority of the energy needed for the body to work). What are the possible implications of this? That food may not be a powerful energy source, and that it may only serve to produce ATP which is used as a tool to unfold proteins and allow them to bind to water.

Fast forward - Gerald pollack conclusively proved that water (when touching hydrophillic surfaces- ie proteins) acts as an electronic battery when exposed to Infra-red and UV light . The separation of protons and electrons creates an "exclusion zone" which can then act to provide large amounts of electrical energy to whatever process needed. The battery function of water is everlasting, as long as the water is exposed to light. The human body is predominantly made of water, and all of the water is touching hydrophillic surfaces, which means the water in your body is actually the "water battery". The water battery is charged by exposure to IR and UV light to provide a continual source of electronic energy to fuel cellular processes.

Aside from external IR, the mitochondria also produce IR during cellular respiration. Water surrounds the mitochondria, so it is safe to say that IR produced by the mitochondira also builds the water battery. This is one reason why mitochondrial health is so critical to maintaining health.

On the topic of UV light, cells release UV for signalling purposes. These are called biophotons. The problem is, when the cell is stressed by EMF, poor diet, and blue light, or whatever else, it releases too much UV light. When the body is in a constant state of inflammation, UV light emmision is greatly enhanced. The cell needs to replace this UV somehow, so getting out in the sunlight is vitally important. If someone lives in a physiologically stressfull environment, they are gonna have higher requirements for UV light. In somewhere like Glasgow, the amount of UV provided in the winter time is very low, therefore is likely not enough to account for the losses accrued from biophoton emission. This UV cannot be acquired from animals or plants.

 

[Persej]

However, these health issues were limited to some degree. Diabetes, cancer, osteoporosis, obesity - these occured, but were fairly uncommon from what I understand.

Today, these diseases have skyrocketed. In addition to this, in the past hundred years we have seen strange, random diseases just appear out of nowhere. Autoimmunity was practically unheard of until we started using artificial light. Autism, again, was practically unheard of until the 1990s-2000.

You could be right about that, however, we did got a lot of harmful things in our lifestyle in the last hundred years so it's hard to say which thing caused what.

However, we do know that our ancestors had a very weak defense against many other diseases - viral or bacterial. And I doubt that there was a difference in exposure to light at the times of major plagues in the world.

On the subjct of genetics, that is merely his opinion an no one can state as a matter of fact whether that is correct or not. I personally don't agree with him on that either, and believe that genetics do play a role. Either way, he has provided us with a lot of informaton that is not his opinion, but is verifiable. So whether he is wrong about some of his ideas or not, there seems to be a wealth of data that needs further investigation

Yes, of course. Just be careful because he seems to be too much invested in his theories and in the same time closing his mind for other areas of research.