Health & Wellness Show 16/12/16:How to become a mitochondriac with Dr Jack Kruse

[Divide by Zero]

Interesting, A water battery, is a battery. Even if we wanted to not consider the exclusion zone theory.

Anode (metal+),
Cathode (metal-),
electrolyte (water w conductive solution- salt,acid, or base)
In the disposable battery, you can create electricity by using up the metals. The Anode gives up electrons into the electrolyte and the cathode gets "plated" with those negatively charged ions, this direction of flow creates electrical potential difference between the anode and cathode.

In a rechargeable battery, when being charged the same thing that gets used up, gets reversed.

Perhaps this is where heavy metal/flouride toxicity can reduce energy, by blocking the chemical battery part.

As for the biophotons, wouldn't emitted UV light from cells be absorbed by other cells? The question is, what causes this mass release and the rest of the cells rejecting it?

 

[Niall]

I do think the there are holes in his theories. I would have loved one of the presenters to question him on why people's health started to go downhill when agriculture was discovered...

Keep in mind that this is largely assumption. The decline keyhole is talking about is relatively recent (the period of 'Western modernity', let's call it). Have standards, overall, been progressively declining since the beginning of agriculture? That is a very difficult question to answer!

There are patterns in the ebb-and-flow of (known, recorded) history. One, for example, is that sedentary, agriculture-based populations living closer to the oceans would be thriving, while the nomadic, herding/hunting-based populations living inland would be decimated, but then everything would go to hell in a handbasket and the positions would reverse... then another round of collapse/upheaval leads to the positions reverting to the 'status quo'... then they'd reverse again!... and so on.

 

[TheTodd]

Thanks for all your hard work and involvement here Keyhole. Some of this information is very interesting.

Didn't we come to the conclusion, after all that research, here on the forum, that one of the most important reason for decline in health is toxicity (heavy metals, halides, vaccines, sugars, grains, radiation of all sorts, etc.)?

I can mention that I have never seen such accelerations in my own wellbeing than after following chelation programs (iodine included)! I have tried many things before and none gave lasting results.

Of course, I am not saying that this info has no value, just not the one in the way you present. Maybe in combination with something else, it colud have a greater value...

 

[Justin]

Perhaps this is where heavy metal/flouride toxicity can reduce energy, by blocking the chemical battery part.

If I remember correctly, Kruse does make the claim that fluoride and bromide interfere with our electric current production. I'll see if I can find where specifically he mentions it.

Thanks for a great show!

I'm still trying to understand Kruse's ideas. I have had positive results from implementing his recommendations: increasing sunlight exposure, decreasing blue light exposure, and eating more seafood / DHA.

It's my view also that Kruse genuinely does want to help people. He takes a lot of time on his forum to answer people's questions and point them in the right direction. But he also wants people to learn enough on their own that they don't need to come to him for every little question.

It would be great to have him back on the show in the future. I'm most fascinated by Kruse's explanations of physics as fundamental to biology...light, magnetism, heat/cold, time, etc. Seems like this has massive implications that are yet to be discovered!

 

[Keyhole]

Interesting, A water battery, is a battery. Even if we wanted to not consider the exclusion zone theory.

Anode (metal+),
Cathode (metal-),
electrolyte (water w conductive solution- salt,acid, or base)
In the disposable battery, you can create electricity by using up the metals. The Anode gives up electrons into the electrolyte and the cathode gets "plated" with those negatively charged ions, this direction of flow creates electrical potential difference between the anode and cathode.

In a rechargeable battery, when being charged the same thing that gets used up, gets reversed.

If I understand correctly, what you are describing is an ionic current. The work by Pollack has shown that water actually resembles a N-type semi-conductor when it is in its liquid-crystalline state. So the current is semi-conducting through water in the body. The same goes for bone, tubulin and collagen fibers. The system is referred to as the "Tensegrity System". I have quoted some researchers such as Dr Mae Wan-Ho on the tensegrity system, water, and biological semi-conduction in this post, which may be of interest.

An excerpt from Energy & Epigenetics 10 goes on to say:

Gerald Pollack and colleagues discovered that water structured as massive exclusion zones on hydrophilic surfaces not only have a high degree of (liquid crystalline) order, but also a large negative electric potential resulting from a macroscopic charge separation so that an excess of protons end up outside the exclusion zone. And it is sunlight (photoelectric effect) that causes the charges to separate, providing an instant ‘water battery’ for energizing life.
[..]
These actions occur simultaneously to allow water to become coherent for energy transfers that all power the biochemical reactions we all learn about. To understand the concept of coherence, stop for a moment and think about light. A light bulb in your lamp turns light on in your room so you can see, but a laser beam is a stream of focused photons that can cut through a diamond. At their core, both are just made of the same thing, light. But how they are structured changes their physical capabilities. The same thing happens to water, collagen, and proteins in your quantum cell. Water in a cell, also has some of the unusual properties that a laser has and your lamp bulb does not. ATP is made from electrons from food and those electrons originally came from the sun’s light. Water and protein contains protons to provide energy to this water semiconductor. In this way, ATP electronically induces water to polarize and animate life. This is what Gilbert Ling said in 1952. No one heard him.

[quote author=Divide By Zero]Perhaps this is where heavy metal/flouride toxicity can reduce energy, by blocking the chemical battery part.[/quote]
According to Kruse and some other researchers, this is the fundamental problem with the consumption of fluoride. Fluoride is a dialectric blocker, so detsroys water's ability to act like a battery, as you said above.

From Ubiquitination 4:

PHYSICS OF FLUORIDE: Fluoride is a dielectric blocker in cell water and is associated with calcium efflux in the pineal gland because it discharges voltages that can be stored in water’s hydrogen bonding network. A dielectric material is an insulator and does not conduct DC electricity. A nerve cell (or indeed any cell) is surrounded by a plasma membrane, made of phospholipid. The cell can be seen as two electrically-conducting regions filled with water, namely the cytoplasm and the extracellular fluid; both regions are electrolyte solutions which are separated by a thin layer of insulator. This is the plasma membrane of the cell. The cell membrane therefore acts as a capacitor! That said, when a dielectric material like water, is put together or adjacent to a capacitor, depending on the dielectric constant of the material (water is high at 78), when a DC potential is placed across a capacitor (cell membrane), the charged components of the dielectric will move to either side of the capacitor and hold a voltage equal to that of the potential placed across it. This voltage can be charged or discharged. Dielectric blockers decrease voltage stored in water decreasing energy available to the cell.

[quote author=Divide By Zero]As for the biophotons, wouldn't emitted UV light from cells be absorbed by other cells? The question is, what causes this mass release and the rest of the cells rejecting it? [/quote]
Well, it turns out that not all biophoton emission is the same. Biophysicists measure this in terms of coherence. The researchers have consistently shown that healthy cells emit steady streams of biophotons which are referred to as coherent. Its not limited to UV either, as it has been shown that these biophotons can be in the IR and Visible range of the spectrum also.

However, when a cell is in a state of stress, it releases chaotic bursts of photons which are referred to as incoherent. From what I remember, the stress-induced biophoton emission is within the ELF-UV range. This is the difference. It also turns out that proteins and other molecules only respond to a specific range of frequencies to be able to respond appropiately. Hence, the stress-induced ELF-UV emission cannot serve to "top up" other cells.

Here is just as short excerpt from a relevant paper:

The mechanism and properties of bio-photon emission and absorption in bio-tissues were studied using Pang’s theory of bio-energy transport, in which the energy spectra of protein molecules are obtained from the discrete dynamic equation. From the energy spectra, it was determined that the protein molecules could both radiate and absorb bio-photons with wavelengths of <3 μm and 5–7 μm, consistent with the energy level transitions of the excitons. These results were consistent with the experimental data; this consisted of infrared absorption data from collagen, bovine serum albumin, the protein-like molecule acetanilide, plasma, and a person’s finger, and the laser-Raman spectra of acidity I-type collagen in the lungs of a mouse, and metabolically active Escherichia coli. We further elucidated the mechanism responsible for the non-thermal biological effects produced by the infrared light absorbed by the bio-tissues, using the above results. No temperature rise was observed; instead, the absorbed infrared light promoted the vibrations of amides as well the transport of the bio-energy from one place to other in the protein molecules, which changed their conformations. These experimental results, therefore, not only confirmed the validity of the mechanism of bio-photon emission, and the newly developed theory of bio-energy transport mentioned above, but also explained the mechanism and properties of the non-thermal biological effects produced by the absorption of infrared light by the living systems.

scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jap/111/9/10.1063/1.4709420

 

[happyliza]

Thanks for the responses Keyhole and for the other observations from everyone too. I immediately changed blue light bulbs I had mistakenly bought! They didn't even give much light anyway and I did feel awful for the few days I used them. I then sat with candles and two lamps until I got them changed!!

No wonder I crave being outside and in sunlight - even when raining when camping in Devon I was outside while everyone else in the caravan all the time in toxic artificial light and no sunshine, natural environment. I just kept saying I cannot believe you go 'camping' to remain indoors all the time - you may as well have stayed at home. 'Strangely' they were ill during that time too!! But not me! Every day required a visit to Waitrose! Not me - I was on keto lol

 

[Divide by Zero]

If I understand correctly, what you are describing is an ionic current. The work by Pollack has shown that water actually resembles a N-type semi-conductor when it is in its liquid-crystalline state. So the current is semi-conducting through water in the body. The same goes for bone, tubulin and collagen fibers. The system is referred to as the "Tensegrity System". I have quoted some researchers such as Dr Mae Wan-Ho on the tensegrity system, water, and biological semi-conduction in this post, which may be of interest.

Interesting. The key common thing that I was concerned about is electron flow. I remember getting a Hudla Clark Zapper years ago, I would guess that tuning into a frequency of the weaker-foreign cells could weaken them enough that the immune system grabs them.

An excerpt from Energy & Epigenetics 10 goes on to say:

Gerald Pollack and colleagues discovered that water structured as massive exclusion zones on hydrophilic surfaces not only have a high degree of (liquid crystalline) order, but also a large negative electric potential resulting from a macroscopic charge separation so that an excess of protons end up outside the exclusion zone. And it is sunlight (photoelectric effect) that causes the charges to separate, providing an instant ‘water battery’ for energizing life.
[..]
These actions occur simultaneously to allow water to become coherent for energy transfers that all power the biochemical reactions we all learn about. To understand the concept of coherence, stop for a moment and think about light. A light bulb in your lamp turns light on in your room so you can see, but a laser beam is a stream of focused photons that can cut through a diamond. At their core, both are just made of the same thing, light. But how they are structured changes their physical capabilities. The same thing happens to water, collagen, and proteins in your quantum cell. Water in a cell, also has some of the unusual properties that a laser has and your lamp bulb does not. ATP is made from electrons from food and those electrons originally came from the sun’s light. Water and protein contains protons to provide energy to this water semiconductor. In this way, ATP electronically induces water to polarize and animate life. This is what Gilbert Ling said in 1952. No one heard him.

Argh, I hate when things are jumbled. My key blink is when they start to talk "quantum". I love the implications of the double slit /observer experiments. I don't like when quantum is used as a blanket statement.

Electrons don't come from light. Light can help "move" them.
On a solar panel, the light on the semiconductor material separates the charge by moving electrons to one side (an electron "pump"). Until those electrons are "attracted" by imbalance, they don't do any work - the "pump" doesn't do any work. But what makes them do work is a loop- where electrons flow against resistance and end up back on the positive side, to be pumped over.
I think a lot of times we don't realize that electrons are neither consumed nor created. It was the hardest thing for me to grasp as I got deeper into electrical/electronics theory.

Every molecule contains protons. What's the point of saying that these are special in water and protein?

I get he's saying a process, but as a scientist who knows physics- I would think they didn't use "protons" as some magical thing that only water and protein has.

If we take out the magical aspect of science and look at it nuts and bolts:
ATP chemically used up, exothermic process gives us lets say 100 units of energy.
But they see the cell needs 200 units!

Electrons- electricity do work in the cells to make up that 100 units.
Some of it they say comes from light- like a solar cell can capture light into electrical charge ->work

Some could also be chemical battery- using metals to create electrical charge. But that depletes the metal/ converts it to a more inert form.

Maybe ???!!!??? that's why some people in areas with low light need more metals/minerals and easily get toxified and it's very hard to detox because of that reason as the body wants to hold onto those "battery materials".
I'm speculating here, but isn't it a funny coincidence that the low UV areas tend to have MTHFR and other detox issues???

[quote author=Divide By Zero]Perhaps this is where heavy metal/flouride toxicity can reduce energy, by blocking the chemical battery part.

According to Kruse and some other researchers, this is the fundamental problem with the consumption of fluoride. Fluoride is a dialectric blocker, so detsroys water's ability to act like a battery, as you said above.
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Yeah, if Flouride loves to bond to everything (highly reactive) it can and will destroy many many chemical and electrical processes. Great for the brain drugs- because of the electrical impulses and many small reactions of neurotransmitters.

Argh Kruse!!! he says detox is not needed. I feel like theres some magical thinking with some of these scientists. You or I know less than 10% they know. But keep in mind that this brain of ours can and will play games to confirm beliefs. I think the only way we can get good from this info is by thinking with a sledge hammer. The same standard Laura puts on her research, we need to do here and I thank you a lot for giving me the key theories so we can come up with a more "coherent" explanation... haha -> "Light is love is knowledge"- The C's

 

[lilies]

Amazing show! Thank You!

A year or several months ago I had the insight that most sicknesses stem from lack of energy in the body. Hearing Dr. Kruse saying it is invigorating! :D

 

[Woodsman]

My reaction to Kruse was quite negative as well.

His information I found confusing and poorly explained through rapid fire strings of technical words, which while possibly accurate, most people don't know the meanings of, and thus was created a word-salad kind of effect. -That combined with his endless alpha-male verbal posturing had me tuning out a third of the way through the interview. To point out just one small example, you don't call the hosts running the show "kids". That's simply rude. -Or skating just enough to one side of rude to establish power without inviting offense.

I have very little patience for guys like that.

I can bear with some attitude if there is an effort made to actually communicate effectively rather than talk with the objective, conscious or not, of establishing power over the listener.

That being said...

It may simply be a matter of lack of awareness on his part. In any case, he might benefit from examining his speaking technique and behavior. They teach classes on this sort of thing. Public speaking is a skill, and he's bad at it. When people are tuning out, you're bad at it.

The information he has to offer, however...

Especially after reading through the posts here, I strongly suspect now that he may indeed have something valuable to share. -Some of the most driven, highly intelligent and learned people I've come across in person also tend to be wired oddly in terms of social conduct. I've found it sometimes well worth seeing past off-putting behavior to discover what is underneath.

I think he might be one such case.

His website is now on my to-do list.

Toward that end...

A thought occurred to me while reading through this thread:

The solar system and many of its dynamics have always been taught and sold to us by the PTB as material phenomena, deriving from gravity and old-world physics. Dirty snowballs, and such. Electricity is, we're learning, a key ingredient left out of the public understanding, perhaps even deliberately. -When you add electricity to planets and stars, the whole system blows up to a next informational level and things start to make a powerful new kind of sense.

Why should the human body be any different?

Gravity and heat and Newtonian kinetics certainly are important base structures in reality; nothing would work without them. Gravity is a big deal. But there is more and it has largely been invisible for a long time.

So just as human bodies are based on fat and proteins and minerals, the material strata of our world, perhaps to get to the next level in our understanding we need to also look at more rarefied energies and how they figure into the equation?

"Knowledge is Love is Light."

I've more than once found myself struggling to understand what that meant, but maybe it's not quite such a mystery after all. Just a problem requiring new information.

 

[Keyhole]

Argh, I hate when things are jumbled. My key blink is when they start to talk "quantum". I love the implications of the double slit /observer experiments. I don't like when quantum is used as a blanket statement.

Completely agree. In this area everything is referred to as 'quantum this' and 'quantum that' so to speak. It kinda makes me cringe a little, but that's just something that needs to be accepted I think. My impression has always been that Kruse's use of the word quantum is to emphasise the point that biological processes are underpinned by the action of subatomic particles which abide by physical laws.

Electrons don't come from light. Light can help "move" them.
On a solar panel, the light on the semiconductor material separates the charge by moving electrons to one side (an electron "pump"). Until those electrons are "attracted" by imbalance, they don't do any work - the "pump" doesn't do any work. But what makes them do work is a loop- where electrons flow against resistance and end up back on the positive side, to be pumped over.
I think a lot of times we don't realize that electrons are neither consumed nor created. It was the hardest thing for me to grasp as I got deeper into electrical/electronics theory.

Apologies for not providing context for the quote. Earlier on in that particular blog series, he makes a point of trying to demonstrate that (most) plants/animal life is all 100% dependent upon sunlight. So he is not proclaiming that electrons come directly from sunlight, but that sunlight is the driving force behind a plant/animals growth, hence the electrons broken down from the food we eat were essentially made available for us via exposure to sunlight.

Every molecule contains protons. What's the point of saying that these are special in water and protein?

I get he's saying a process, but as a scientist who knows physics- I would think they didn't use "protons" as some magical thing that only water and protein has.

Again, my impression is that he is trying to lay it out in very basic terms for people who don't understand anything about chemistry/physics.

If we take out the magical aspect of science and look at it nuts and bolts:
ATP chemically used up, exothermic process gives us lets say 100 units of energy.
But they see the cell needs 200 units!

Electrons- electricity do work in the cells to make up that 100 units.
Some of it they say comes from light- like a solar cell can capture light into electrical charge ->work

Some could also be chemical battery- using metals to create electrical charge. But that depletes the metal/ converts it to a more inert form.

Maybe ???!!!??? that's why some people in areas with low light need more metals/minerals and easily get toxified and it's very hard to detox because of that reason as the body wants to hold onto those "battery materials".
I'm speculating here, but isn't it a funny coincidence that the low UV areas tend to have MTHFR and other detox issues???

I guess this is possible, yeah. The low UV areas also tend to have more technology usage. Interestingly, cells accumulate metals as a result of Calcium efflux, a process initiated by non-native EMF. Apparently the metal accumulation is used by the body as a protective factor against non-native EMF's or something, but I can't remember the details of how or why that happens .

Argh Kruse!!! he says detox is not needed.

This is not strictly true...

He says "redox before you detox". This means that a person should ideally have a good oxidation-reduction potential before they attempt to do any heavy detoxification. I think he has a fair point and tend to agree with him after looking into it for quite a while now. To me, it makes perfect sense. The redox potential is essentially a measure for how well the body donates/accepts electrons during redox shift reactions. Redox molecules like NADH/+, NADP/H2, Glutathione (any form), or Cu/Zn SOD etc are basically determinants of how well the body rids itself of toxins. If the Redox system is not working properly, then what is the point of chelating/mobilizing a boat load of heavy metals when the body can't even deal with them properly (due to low redox potential)? There is a possibility that the mobilized toxins will have access to more sensitive internal organs if they are not swiftly dealt with.

However, working upon building a better redox potential first of all, then doing detoxification is possible a safer way to approach the situation.

A good example of this is mercury detoxification. Below is a (must watch IMO) lecture by expert photobiologist Dr Alexander Wunsch, explaining artificial light and natural light. However, 39:00 - 52:30 minutes are extremely important to watch because he introduces the concept of "Mercury Resonance".

Dr Wunsch is concerned about mercury detoxification protocols being undertaken in artificially lit environments. A brief overview of the concept (from what I could understand of it): Mercury vapour in light bulbs is activated by electrons which charge up the atoms, then initiate the release of mercury photons in the frequency range of visible light. Ordinarily, mercury stored in fat is stable. However when undertaking a detoxification protocol, mercury is released into areas of the body where it is not in it's protective fat tissue layer. Artificial light from a mercury bulb penetrates into the body tissue and energises mercury atoms via resonance. The energising effect produces highly reactive and toxic biological mercury capable of inflicting serious damage to internal organs and other structures.
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I feel like theres some magical thinking with some of these scientists. You or I know less than 10% they know. But keep in mind that this brain of ours can and will play games to confirm beliefs. I think the only way we can get good from this info is by thinking with a sledge hammer. The same standard Laura puts on her research, we need to do here and I thank you a lot for giving me the key theories so we can come up with a more "coherent" explanation... haha -> "Light is love is knowledge"- The C's

I agree. Some of the stuff Kruse advocates as truth may very likely be magical thinking, so I think "thinking with a sledge hammer" is the only way to approach it. A close examination of it will help to extract the truth. I am interested in knowing what the C's would have to say about some of it. Especially the topic of light as food for the organism. After all, they have made countless references to Light over the years.


[quote author=Woodsman]To point out just one small example, you don't call the hosts running the show "kids". That's simply rude. -Or skating just enough to one side of rude to establish power without inviting offense.[/quote]
Hey Woodsman. I think the only time he referred to a host as "kid" was when he was speaking to me. Bear in mind that I am only 22 years old, and my skype profile picture (which was his reference point) probably only looks like I'm about 17 . So I didn't take any offence to him using to term "kid" or think it was innapropriate.

 

[987baz]

Massive thanks keyhole a divided by zero, your exchanges have helped clarify some thoughts I have as well, the wunsch video looks very interesting indeed, I'll hopefully get through it all soon.

I too would be very interested to see what the c's say about Kruse and his ideas! I think kruse is onto something, but seems to be missing the spiritual/emotional aspect of health, both mental and physical, but like you say, nobody has the whole banana, but if we can get something useful from kruse, to help with all the other things we do here, I think it's worthwhile

 

[Woodsman]

[quote author=Woodsman]To point out just one small example, you don't call the hosts running the show "kids". That's simply rude. -Or skating just enough to one side of rude to establish power without inviting offense.

Hey Woodsman. I think the only time he referred to a host as "kid" was when he was speaking to me. Bear in mind that I am only 22 years old, and my skype profile picture (which was his reference point) probably only looks like I'm about 17 . So I didn't take any offence to him using to term "kid" or think it was innapropriate.
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That may be so. I'd have to go back to re-listen.

I will say, however, that your picture to me looks like a robust hiker type, a young man but otherwise age indeterminate, and your writing style and technical knowledge certainly don't come across as immature or unrefined. I'm twice your age, but I can't think of any good reason not to take you at the value you represent rather than make a point of putting you in your place.

Of course, power and knowledge hierarchies do certainly exist as a natural consequence of work and "time" passing, but making an effort to establish it seems unnecessary when we already understand that a guest is invited specifically because he or she is an expert in a given field. -And taken in concert with his overall style of delivery created an impression, at least with me, of the kind of loud and needlessly domineering personality who makes me cringe over my coffee when I'm out in a public space.

He reminded me a bit of Tony Robbins or one of those aggressive cult of personality guys.

I don't know... Maybe that's the best way to spread knowledge among a significant segment of the population. It obviously works to get the word out. But I suspect I'm going to have to pinch my nose a bit if I want to if I want to explore his talks.