SolarMother said:
Hello ALL,
Bear with me, I am not that computer savvy, nor do I consider myself a good writer.
Apparently I am misrepresenting myself, since it looks like wanting to share free land with like-minded people is being construed as taking from others instead of giving. We want to have a community, described in Chapt 8 (below) but I am finding out that we cannot do this with FOTCM without following forum internet protocol first.
Hi SolarMother, I think you might be misunderstanding the points that have been made to you. You state that
you want to have a community. This is your desire. In order to fulfill that desire, you want others to help you on your land and help you build this community. Can you consider that your underlying motivation here is what
you want?
Yes, I am considering that NOW.
Instead of your underlying motivation being giving to others as asked - and nothing more - your underlying motivation is to have like minded people share your land and help you and your husband build a community. Even your stated desire to teach EE leads back to this 'want' of yours - to take all the right steps in order to get this community you want. Can you see that this is giving with expectation of return; which is, energetically, a demand as opposed to a request?
I can surely see that.
Regarding your statement about following 'internet protocol' - what exactly do you mean by that? I find it a bit confusing since all that has been explained to you is merely how things develop here and what is being asked.
Just saying following the levels of the FOTCM
SM said:
To our perspective we are offering resources, not taking them: free land, greenhouse with food, barn, guesthouse, and in turn need help from those who would want to live in a way that is initially uncomfortable, but with time, will have comfort, a degree of ease and convenience, since we cannot offer it all and need help, a pooling of resources, in building a place of refuge.
Again, you seem to be missing the point of the responses you've received which is simply that you offer these things with expectation of a personal return. That's understandable, since that is the way this world works, but for the purposes of what we do here, it tends to get in the way.
Yes.
sm said:
Our intentions are anything but selfish...we have learned that people may have to band together in the coming years and the time of 'do it all yourself for yourself'/STS is on its way out. So, am I understanding correctly, that the C's say this is still a trap? But please read on.
I'm not sure what you mean by the C's say this is still a trap. Perhaps you mean focusing on physical 3D survival? Yes, they did suggest that, though it's logical to take certain steps and plan accordingly as long as one doesn't become obsessed with the idea to the exclusion of true development.
sm said:
So, what I am hearing is that we are doing this offering of land and a place to build, that this all for our own selfish needs just because we need help in establishing something that a few others might see as a great thing and opportunity? Because we are short on money? Because it will be rough in the beginning? Money is the only thing we cannot offer, and very few seem to be able to offer it these days. We have learned that NO ONE offers money without some manipulation or exploitation in mind---of course in our STS world this is how it is. We therefore have learned that we will not attract anyone with money--we are not expecting that, although, initially we thought it would be possible since we were offering land and resources, talents, skills, emotional support...but that was a lesson for us in wishful thinking.
No one has suggested that this is about money. I do think that you are exhibiting wishful thinking, though.
It is now a somewhat painful observation
sm said:
Hmmmm...this is all food for thought. So, does, say teaching EE in populated areas (which I would be willing to do if that is my service) mean that cities, afterall, are the way to go? Crowded polluted, dangerous cities are OK for awhile because that is the best way to make 'a decent living' right now and give back to FOTCM. Is this a correct perception?
I think the correct perception is giving what is asked, without expectation of a personal return - without doing so to 'get something you want' as a result. As far as teaching EE, the point made was simply that it might be more helpful to be able to teach in an area that has people. Not all areas that have people are crowded dirty cities - there is a gray space in between that black and white thinking.
sm said:
"Paying in advance," as I understand it now, is the experience of being on the forum and following all the rules laid out to attain 'journeyman' position firstly which is apparently enough spiritual growth to be trusted to get certification for teaching EE? And, EE is the first thing that Laura's group is putting out there for the FOTCM to do to pay in advance?
Paying in advance is about doing so with disinterested efforts. Paying, in ways that are not easy, with no expectation of anything in return. There is no balance sheet. In order to teach EE, one must be living the principles, and understanding the basic premises of FOTCM. It's not a formulaic, if I do this, then I get that.
sm said:
No, we do not have internet on our land, and apparently this is a biggie where we fall short in attracting anyone to share our land from FOTCM even if we could. Because, after all, a group of people pooling resources and sharing online time in order to access FOTCM is not even an option for us in order to be on the forum.
I go to the community library in town...internet is free and up to date. Right now, because there is more work, I am here more often. Maybe by winter I can manifest a laptop, but when one lives in the country, getting 'bluetooth satellite' is expensive. Its expensive to do in town too. But if I need it, I will get it, no doubt.
When I said, 'spiritual growth' I was referring to what the C's say above, since to me living in a shared purpose is spiritual growth...we all learn from one another live and in person. You are saying that it is way too early to do this as far as FOTCM is concerned. I understand that.
How much of the recommended reading have you had a chance to complete? I ask because your enthusiasm is very valuable and a wonderful thing, yet you seem to have some basic misunderstandings that would be quickly cleared up by reading the Wave and Adventure Series, and the psychological reading as well. The work of G.I. Gurdjieff would be quite helpful as well. Your heart is in the right place, it just seems that you need more tools and understanding of how to be of service - how to give what is asked.
On Chapt 29 of The Wave, read some of the adventure series ahead of time, then went back to the wave, most of psychopathology, organic portals section, read Oupensky's 'in search of the miraculous.' and a few more recommended books that I can get by inter library loan: titles not remembered at the moment, with my book list being at home and I am not at home now---except for 'high strangeness' and Firestone's catastrophe book.
It does take time to understand all this even when reading all the materials. First it comes intellectually, but until I express with vulnerability, what I am up to, which is why I am saying so much in order to get feedback...now I can start to learn more about what I have read based on the replies I am getting and understand more what I have been reading.
sm said:
Someone asked about detox. That diet is expensive! And, I feel, each person's detox plan/need is different due to blood/genome type.
The basics of the detox - the Ultra Simple Diet - is universal and not dependent on blood type (other than a few details, i.e. meat versus poultry/fish). It's also 'ultra simple' so not expensive! The supplements are expensive, but the Ultra Simple Diet is a great start.
sm said:
I would be willing to do it when I can afford it, however, I have been detoxing in my own way for quite some time--with basic foods I can afford...lots of veggies, juicing, salads...things that feel good to my body. I do EE from 2-4 times a week. I seem to be taking the gradual, gentler way of releasing toxic emotions, maybe because our initiation experiences due to our lifestyle have been very emotionally detoxifying! See below. I know I have a ways to go, and will probably NEVER stop doing EE. Its amazing how it feels--very purifying.
Yes, EE is remarkable.
sm said:
You asked me to elaborate on 4D ecstatic experiences. I have had these because of living in an initiatory way close to nature, which of course is a rare path, even in G's time. Because of certain lack of comforts (no TV, internet, not too many gadgets, etc) and living in smaller spaces, and that creating lack of a soft, cushy ease and conveniences (the soft life as we used to live it) as well as being short on cash at certain times... we (my husband and I) have gradually had, after learning many lessons, amazing experiences in attracting what appears to be miracules in getting what we need when we need it. For example, we bought our solar panels last summer at an amazing discount, but an inverter, batteries, cables and a voltmeter all came to us from people who see what we are doing, like it and want to assist us by giving us things they did not need. Things like that happen all the time. To me, this is 4D, STO, feminine based living vs. 3D, have a job, pay rent, buy everything for yourself you think you need, and go without things more and more, never learning how to attract.
So, just to clarify, your 4D ecstatic experiences have involved getting things, material objects, that you need? I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.
Yes, its the same situation with us, as with many others and as with those in France who are wondering how they will get by month to month...that was from a reply sent to me based on my being new and not knowing what is really going on with the core group...I was told sometimes they wonder how they will make it through the month...
Also, this is not just about material things. It has been about how I was going to make it through a very difficult flight home to US from Europe last February...
sm said:
It was initiatory, because it was difficult to let go of all this programming to had to HAVE. We may not have brand new things (although the inverter and cables are new) but we are happy with what we do have, and have learned to appreciate everything so much more, having done without. My husband loves to salvage things, and our greenhouse/guest house that we live in now is built from these materials. We have salvaged new materials from construction sites as well and these we would like to use to build a bigger, roomier refuge home that will have two guest rooms. As we watch friends and relations all around us, including in cities, losing their homes, their cars, jobs and stressing out over credit card debt and trying to pay for basic utilities, we feel we are going in the other direction, that of expansion, that to us feels like 4D ecstasy-- and that is our premise for offering land--to help, to share, and be of service to those that want to live in this way and they in turn be of help to us in building TRUE community... kinda like the Amish do but not with that religious dogmatic thing, and in the way the C's describe in Chapt 8.
We had to learn to go without things for awhile, and then we learned that we really didn't need to HAVE many of those things--those things we thought we had to have turned out to be programming, we are taught to think we need. After learning this, going without, developing a certain character that comes with not consuming so much--we began to learn how to manifest what we really did need from 4D, which felt like ecstasy to me. We make our intentions, sometimes make out a list, let it go, and watch these items come to us over time, in the perfect timing of 'the Universe.' We practiced what we learned from the C's, thinking the worse case scenario, coming up with contingency plans, and then seeing that the worst case scenario never happened....that feels like 4D ecstasy too.
I'm uncertain about your usage of the phrase '4D ecstasy' here. I'm unfamiliar with the term as you're using it. Perhaps you could elaborate?
That feeling of total trust, and enjoying just watching the show.
sm said:
Anart, you also said; "The future is open and many things may happen, but for now we must all focus on developing ourselves and our lives so that we may be of most service in whatever way the Universe deems fit."
I do agree and I feel like we have developed ourselves in ways that have prepared us for living a more STO life, in any ways that are possible while 3D STS still surrounds us. I have already stated that I have seen that our farm vision is something that could happen down the road, and not now with FOTCM, based on my second letter after re reading Galahad's missive.
That I would want to jump in and be of service is really what I want, bottom line... so if I am to manifest a computer and participate in FOTCM's protocol, then that will happen. And, in order to teach EE if I am to do that. All I can say is that I am very open to new possibilities.
I hope this clarifies some things, as I am not the best writer. I tend to write from my right brain, and I go around in circles, and I can be confusing, for sure. I try to edit as much as I can.
I hope what I've written above has also helped clarify things and not confused them further.
