Hemochromatosis and Autoimmune Conditions

[Laura]

Just as a data point, my mother went for about 24 EDTA IV sessions under a Naturopathic MD's care (around 2007). The idea was to try to clear out calcium blockages in the veins and arteries. There was no detectable improvement - objective or subjective. The MD did add vitamins/minerals during treatment.

What was her diet? Other variables?

 

[LQB]

Just as a data point, my mother went for about 24 EDTA IV sessions under a Naturopathic MD's care (around 2007). The idea was to try to clear out calcium blockages in the veins and arteries. There was no detectable improvement - objective or subjective. The MD did add vitamins/minerals during treatment.

What was her diet? Other variables?

At that point and for several years prior, her diet was WAPF, so it was not grain/dairy-free. The dairy was mostly raw and the grains were mostly sprouted. She was still drinking some alcohol (wine) back then but not a lot. The Naturopathic MD was pretty good (I had a lot of contact with him) and he expected much more improvement (he did lots of chelation at his clinic in South Tampa). So it was disappointing for us.

 

[Lisa Guliani]

Wow. This therapy looks promising, even though the oral form appears to take longer than the IV method of delivery. Great post! I wish I'd known about this when my father was alive.

 

[Laura]

Wow. This therapy looks promising, even though the oral form appears to take longer than the IV method of delivery. Great post! I wish I'd known about this when my father was alive.

Hopefully, it will keep you alive until you get out of the pest hole!

 

[nicklebleu]

MIT,

If you have RCMD-RARS I would strongly advise you to slowly transition over to ketogenic diet. This surely would help to reduce the chances that it converts to an acute leucemia.

You can find information about the ketogenic diet here (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28799.0.html) which goes into great detail how to do that and what to expect. It is imperative to read the whole thread to exactly understand what you are doing.

More and more data is coming out that seems to indicate that a ketogenic diet has powerful anti-cancer properties - both for prophylaxis and treatment.

 

[Voyageur]

Ha! No wonder we don't hear about this EDTA chelation therapy:

http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/78-edta-chelation-the-real-miracle-therapy-for-vascular-disease

- The average mortality for CABG surgery is 4% to 10%.3,4 In fact, CABG has no overall effect on improving survival…
- By contrast, mortality rates for EDTA chelation, when carried out according to accepted protocols, approaches 0%...
- Grafted coronary arteries are more than 10 times as likely to close up again within 3 years…

Wow, these results speak volumes. The establishment is indeed a racked compared to these well know yet suppressed (never discussed by your physician) treatments.

Thanks for the link.

 

[Persej]

EDTA Chelation Drug Error

After the news about Abubakar Tariq Nadama, a five-year-old boy with autism, who tragically died after receiving an IV treatment with the chelating agent EDTA, every parent considering or doing any form of chelation for their child was filled with nagging doubts. “How did this happen, and could it happen to my child?” filled chat rooms and flooded DAN doctors’ email inboxes.

The results of the autopsy have now been analyzed, and a story in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette by Karen Kane reads in part -

“Dr. Mary Jean Brown, chief of the Lead Poisoning Prevention Branch of the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that Abubakar Tariq Nadama died Aug. 23 in his Butler County doctor’s office because he was given the wrong chelation agent.

It’s a case of look-alike/sound-alike medications. The child was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. They sound alike. They’re clear and colorless and odorless.

They were mixed up.

Both types of EDTA are synthetic amino acids that latch onto heavy metals in the bloodstream.

Essentially, Tariq died from low blood calcium. Without enough calcium – a metal – in the blood, the heart stops beating. Dr. Brown said the Disodium EDTA the child was given as a chelation agent acted as a claw that pulled too much calcium from his blood.” (see the full story at _http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm)

With all this said, many of us still had questions about the Disodium EDTA that is available and used orally for chelation with autistic children. I have had any fears put at ease by an explanation from Dr. Volpe on the background of EDTA: Traditional IV EDTA chelation has always been done using Disodium EDTA, and calcium Disodium EDTA is a relative newcomer. In fact there is nothing wrong with Disodium EDTA except that it must be dripped in a vein slowly over several hours (which is typically the way chelation has been done).

When the calcium form came out doctors started to inject it rapidly over just a minute or two, something that cannot be done with the sodium form.

However, none of these concerns apply to an oral formulation because a) the absorption is not going to be instantaneous, and b) anything absorbed from the gut does not go to general circulation but goes straight to the liver from where it is released slowly.

In other words, your body will not allow minerals like calcium to be thrown off when you take something by mouth, because if the calcium approaches critical levels, the body will slow down absorption or release from the liver. It only takes seconds for the body to bring the calcium level back up, but it doesn’t even have that small amount of time to recover the loss when something is being injected.

Another form of EDTA is liposomal EDTA. It is different from other forms in that liposomes are absorbed in the cells lining the intestinal tract and diffuse into blood over a period of 48 hours. In addition these liposomes are 50% phosphatydil choline and 50% other phospholipids.

Phospholipids are crucial for life and are found in all known life forms. Phospholipids can mix simultaneously with both water and with oil. By bridging these two environments, phospholipids are able to spontaneously assemble into membranes. This property makes the phospholipids important in improved detoxification and nervous system health.

Dietary intake of phospholipids has declined, due to large increase in refining and processing of our foods. Phospholipids are found in highest concentration in eggs, organ meats, muscle meats, milk, and peanut butter.

Due to the incorporation of these crucial building blocks, liposomal EDTA is unlike any other kind and is possibly the most beneficial in terms of transporting the EDTA into the body for use in chelation.

_http://doctorvolpe.com/autism/edta-chelation-drug-error/

 

[Persej]

Chelation: IV or Oral?

There has been a lot of advertising lately for oral chelation therapy as opposed to IV therapy. It can be confusing for people, not knowing whether or not there is a difference. First of all, yes, there is a difference. There can be several differences, depending on the supplement in the oral chelation. To be specific, we are talking about chelation therapy for cardiovascular problems mainly. There is some detox with this, but the heavy metals chelated out are limited. Chelation for other heavy metals should be done with different compounds, depending on the dominating heavy metal. Chelation therapy for cardiovascular issues is done IV with disodium EDTA (“ethylene diamine tetra acetic acid”). As most of you are aware, the disodium EDTA is attracted to calcium, including the calcium deposits on the walls of the blood vessels. When the EDTA molecule attaches to the calcium molecule, it takes it out of your system through your kidneys, which is why we take blood and urine samples to make sure your kidneys are strong. It has actually been shown to improve kidney function, but that’s another subject. (IV calcium disodium EDTA is a faster IV because it does not pull calcium out of the system, therefore you won’t get massive muscle cramping by going fast). Your first series with IV chelation is about 20 – 30 treatments depending on the severity of your problems and your body’s response to therapy as well as your diet and lifestyle. In each treatment you receive 2-3mg of disodium EDTA, plus magnesium, vitamin C, and sometimes B vitamins. With IV therapy you get 100% absorption as it is going directly into the circulatory system. However, many people do not want to have these IV’s and are more than happy to pay money to take more pills.

Oral chelation usually contains about 400 mg calcium disodium EDTA plus vitamins and minerals and often some decent circulatory herbs. It has been shown that oral EDTA is only 3-5% absorbed. Some manufacturers are claiming UP TO 80% absorption as a MAXIMUM DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSONAL HEALTH. The key is – no one knows exactly how well they are absorbing anything these days. Very little supplements are absorbed with all the binders used as well as what digestive issues people have and acid blocking drugs. 80% absorption is extremely optimistic, since EDTA’s been measured at 3-5 % oral absorption.

Another issue with the supplement, is that they use CALCIUM disodium EDTA. When calcium is already attached to the EDTA molecule, it will no longer pull calcium out of the system, therefore doing nothing for the plaques on the walls of the arteries. It may, however, help pull out a few heavy metals, but not as much as oral DMSA. The good thing about some of the supplements is that they have some really good herbs and substances which do help heart health. But you will not get the same effects as IV disodium EDTA chelation therapy. You will need to take many, many pills every day for quite a while in order to get the same benefits as 20-30 IV treatments. However, you may never reach the same effectiveness if your digestive system is not functioning 100%.

_http://thenaturalchoiceclinic.com/?p=86

 

[Persej]

Just as a data point, my mother went for about 24 EDTA IV sessions under a Naturopathic MD's care (around 2007). The idea was to try to clear out calcium blockages in the veins and arteries. There was no detectable improvement - objective or subjective. The MD did add vitamins/minerals during treatment.

Did she receive Disodium EDTA or Calcium Disodium EDTA?

 

[LQB]

Just as a data point, my mother went for about 24 EDTA IV sessions under a Naturopathic MD's care (around 2007). The idea was to try to clear out calcium blockages in the veins and arteries. There was no detectable improvement - objective or subjective. The MD did add vitamins/minerals during treatment.

Did she receive Disodium EDTA or Calcium Disodium EDTA?

It was just the standard D EDTA

 

[Persej]

CHELATION USES TODAY

Calcium EDTA is used for lead and toxic metal detoxification. It is not as effective as Disodium EDTA itself for cardiovascular problems, but it does help to some extent due to detoxification and anti-oxidant effect. The calcium EDTA is a faster IV, but, again, not as effective for cardiovascular disease. Disodium EDTA takes at least three hours, and is very safe if administered according to protocol. It has been successfully used for over 50 years. Side effects are: low blood sugar (need to eat!), possible muscle cramps especially if administered too quickly, and possible allergic reaction. These are treatable upon occurrence. In order to avoid other possible problems, kidney lab values are monitored and dosages adjusted accordingly.

_http://thenaturalchoiceclinic.com/?p=101

 

[LQB]

CHELATION USES TODAY

Calcium EDTA is used for lead and toxic metal detoxification. It is not as effective as Disodium EDTA itself for cardiovascular problems, but it does help to some extent due to detoxification and anti-oxidant effect. The calcium EDTA is a faster IV, but, again, not as effective for cardiovascular disease. Disodium EDTA takes at least three hours, and is very safe if administered according to protocol. It has been successfully used for over 50 years. Side effects are: low blood sugar (need to eat!), possible muscle cramps especially if administered too quickly, and possible allergic reaction. These are treatable upon occurrence. In order to avoid other possible problems, kidney lab values are monitored and dosages adjusted accordingly.

_http://thenaturalchoiceclinic.com/?p=101

Yes, it takes a good 3 hrs so you want to bring a good book. :)

 

[genero81]

VRP (vitamin research products) has promoted EDTA as THE chelation therapy like FOREVER. I' m sure they have many articles about it at vrp.com if anyone is interested.

 

[Persej]

Oral Assimilation of EDTA

Assimilation of EDTA is effective when taken via intravenous chelation or oral chelation. When taken orally, EDTA, like other amino acids of similar molecular weight, passes through the stomach unaffected where it is then absorbed directly through the epithelium cells of the duodenum. EDTA has been incorrectly referenced by some who apparently do not understand that the biochemistry and assimilation of proteins (made from chains of amino acids) and unattached Free Form Amino Acids all occurs in the duodenum, being unaffected by the stomach and the gastric juices.

Often misunderstood is the fact that stomach acidity has nothing whatsoever to do with the digestion of proteins, which all takes place via enzymatic reaction later in the duodenum, and that orally consumed Free Form Amino Acids are likewise not affected. In fact, the pH of the stomach when secreting HCL is generally around 3.0 (note: EDTA in solution may exhibit a pH of 4.0 all on its own), which has absolutely no affect on the molecular bonds of Free Form Amino Acids (including EDTA) and thus, cannot and will not destroy them.

All Free Form Amino Acids, including oral liquid EDTA, need no digestive process to enter the bloodstream. They are already small enough molecules to enter the bloodstream immediately; and that's why they are used so effectively in I.V. parenteral solutions. Thus all Free Form Amino Acids, including liquid EDTA, will pass unharmed and unchanged into the duodenum where they then are directly assimilated into the bloodstream. Again, EDTA will not, as mistakenly alleged by some, be destroyed by stomach acids.

_http://www.cardiorenewcanada.ca/edtaeffectiveness.php

Either somebody is not telling the truth or they are talking about two different forms of oral EDTA, because this website is selling "100% Liquid EDTA (Sodium Based)".
But then, even if it is destroyed by stomach acids it can still be made liposomal.

 

[Persej]

This seems to be very controversial subject!

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN CARDIO RENEW?

Cardio Renew is 100% liquid EDTA (Ethylene~Diamine~Tetra-acetic~ Acid). It is a proprietary blend of 3 types of Sodium based EDTA, which are all food-grade amino acids.

They don't say which three?

WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO TAKE MORE EDTA IN A SHORTER TIMEFRAME, RATHER THAN SPREAD THE DOSES OUT?

No. EDTA has a half life of approximately 40-45 minutes. This means that the EDTA is absorbed and completes its cycle throughout the entire body in about one hour. Extending the doses throughout the day means that the EDTA has a greater chance of saturating the cell walls for a longer period of time and diffusing the unwanted minerals and metals. If you were to increase the amount of EDTA and take all the doses within minutes of each other, it increases the chance of kidney toxicity and it shortens the time that the cell walls are exposed to the EDTA. This is why our program was designed accordingly, to maximize the benefits of the EDTA process and ensure you of a safe and effective chelation program.

SHOULD I TAKE MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS DURING THE 6 WEEK FOUNDATION PROGRAM?

No. We recommend that you refrain from heavy mineral intake during our 6 week program. Cardio Renew focuses on removing the minerals and metals that can contribute to plaque. If you take mineral supplements during the chelation process, the EDTA will remove the newly absorbed unbound minerals and not focus on the minerals contributing to the plaque. Basically, it would nullify the benefits of both the Minerals and the EDTA. We do suggest taking a good multi vitamin / mineral supplement after our 6 week program. This will replenish any minerals that were removed that the body requires.

IF CARDIO RENEW EDTA CHELATION THERAPY IS SO EFFECTIVE AT REMOVING TOXIC HEAVY METALS AND MINERALS, WON'T IT ALSO DEPLETE THE BODY OF THE ESSENTIAL MINERALS AS WELL? WHAT ABOUT THE CALCIUM I AM TOLD IS REQUIRED FOR MY HEALTH?

All chelation therapy can be hard on your vitamin and mineral stores. However, it is safe, as it will not leach them out of your bones, teeth and cells. There is a reason for removing the toxic minerals that are causing your health concerns. EDTA chelation will remove the toxic metals as well as the unbound calcium and other minerals. The calcium in your bones, teeth and cells are bound. It's only the metastatic or misplaced, unbound minerals that are removed through EDTA chelation. This unbound calcium is what is responsible for the creation of plaque in our arteries as well as the inflammation causing pain and discomfort in our joints. If you know your mineral deficiencies and need to take these supplements, we ask that you take them at bedtime. It's best to take liquid supplements because of their high rate of absorption. If you take pills or capsules, it may take hours to be absorbed into your system. There is no reason to take a mineral supplement in close proximity to Cardio Renew. It would only waste the benefits of both. In taking Cardio Renew or any other products, too much of a good thing can cause issues. So, please take all medications, supplements, vitamins and etc. responsibly.

_http://www.cardiorenewcanada.ca/questions.php

Maybe this is the reason why it didn't work for your mother LQB?