High Dose Melatonin Therapy

[duyunne]

Hi !! I used two nights melatonin 5grm..but I had so many weird dreams , so I wonder if I continue to use it I will have bizarre dreams .to be honest wasn't to pleasent to me.....

5g is overkill IMHO, maybe bring it down a bit and perhaps try to ensure you're also up on other supplements, such as chelating agents like amino acids or other acids like Citric acid, Lactic acid, Ascorbic acid, and Acetic acid.

 

[jhonny]

Hi !! I used two nights melatonin 5grm..but I had so many weird dreams , so I wonder if I continue to use it I will have bizarre dreams .to be honest wasn't to pleasent to me.....

This also happened to my wife, so she reduced the dose and this didn't happen anymore. When these dreams began, she was taking 3 mg, so I told her to reduce the dose (0.5 mg) each night until she found the right dose for her. Now she's taking 1 mg, and she feels great.

 

[Jono]

I've been on and off melatonin for the past 5 years. Lower doses didn't really do anything for me. I'm nearly 30 and live in a high EMF environment. I found 10mg was good for a while, but started going up to 10-20-30-40mg. Closer to 40mg was too much, I'd have a really deep sleep and wake up alert after 5 hours, which I thought was perfect until I started nodding off around noon. The high doses also started a period of vivid dreams that seem to have calmed down now. In fact I sometimes have vivid dreams without the melatonin now, but didn't have many in the past.

I've reduced it back to 20-30mg depending on how tired I feel when it gets towards bedtime. Sometimes if I'm feeling sleepy enough I don't take it at all.

Edit: the brand was Puritan's Pride 10mg

 

[Ant22]

Hi Andrian, thank you so much for answering, I had that question because the packaging of the melatonin says to take it "occasionally" or no more than 14 days in a row.
So, there is no need to worry about taking it every night, in fact I have only seen the benefits, so far I could not say anything about noticing adverse effects.

I've taken melatonin every day since mid 2018 and if anything, my sleep has gotten even better with time and I have more energy the following day. What I noticed is that if I don't take it at my usual time I get super sleepy around that time anyway.

I actually wonder if melatonin supplementation trains the body that there's a certain amount of melatonin in the system at a specific time, and when it doesn't come the body just produces it itself? It's a far shot, maybe people who supplemented it for a longer period and then stopped could confirm difficulties sleeping when they discontinued melatonin?

There were a few occasions when I didn't take melatonin, for example, I had a short night due to a plane journey the following day, or I simply forgot, and I didn't have trouble falling asleep. I haven't skipped melatonin for a few consecutive nights so it's hard to say if I'd notice an issue, but to make sure I don't have to worry about it I have a supply for a couple fo years ahead

 

[Ant22]

I've been on and off melatonin for the past 5 years. Lower doses didn't really do anything for me. I'm nearly 30 and live in a high EMF environment. I found 10mg was good for a while, but started going up to 10-20-30-40mg. Closer to 40mg was too much, I'd have a really deep sleep and wake up alert after 5 hours, which I thought was perfect until I started nodding off around noon. The high doses also started a period of vivid dreams that seem to have calmed down now. In fact I sometimes have vivid dreams without the melatonin now, but didn't have many in the past.

I've reduced it back to 20-30mg depending on how tired I feel when it gets towards bedtime. Sometimes if I'm feeling sleepy enough I don't take it at all.

Edit: the brand was Puritan's Pride 10mg

That's a lot for someone your age ersio. Do you take it in an oral form? Or do you take sublingually? I noticed I needed well over 5 grams in the pill form but only 2.5 mg in a sublingual lozenge. If I take more, I wake up throughout the night, my sleep is shallow and I feel restless.

Given that you take such high amounts it must be very expensive. Maybe it would be worth trying out the sublingual version to see if you need less of it this way? It could save you some money. iHerb sells it quite cheap.

 

[jess]

I've taken melatonin every day since mid 2018 and if anything, my sleep has gotten even better with time and I have more energy the following day. What I noticed is that if I don't take it at my usual time I get super sleepy around that time anyway.

I actually wonder if melatonin supplementation trains the body that there's a certain amount of melatonin in the system at a specific time, and when it doesn't come the body just produces it itself? It's a far shot, maybe people who supplemented it for a longer period and then stopped could confirm difficulties sleeping when they discontinued melatonin?

There were a few occasions when I didn't take melatonin, for example, I had a short night due to a plane journey the following day, or I simply forgot, and I didn't have trouble falling asleep. I haven't skipped melatonin for a few consecutive nights so it's hard to say if I'd notice an issue, but to make sure I don't have to worry about it I have a supply for a couple fo years ahead

Hi Ant22, I appreciate your comments, yes!! that sounds great to have a good amount of melatonin in storage for at least a year or more....

 

[Jono]

That's a lot for someone your age ersio. Do you take it in an oral form? Or do you take sublingually? I noticed I needed well over 5 grams in the pill form but only 2.5 mg in a sublingual lozenge. If I take more, I wake up throughout the night, my sleep is shallow and I feel restless.

Given that you take such high amounts it must be very expensive. Maybe it would be worth trying out the sublingual version to see if you need less of it this way? It could save you some money. iHerb sells it quite cheap.

I add the powder into water and drink it. I tried the Puritan's Pride sublingual drops at one point but didn't notice any difference, in fact it was probably weaker and not worth it for me. This one:

I found at the bottom of the bottle a bit of the same powder from the capsules half mixed up with the liquid, so I suspect (with this brand) it was simply mixed together with some sort of juice.

Did you mean mg in the pill form? I'm going to buy it in powder to keep costs down a bit, the Puritan's Pride capsules are quite expensive.

As for your previous post, I sometimes forget to take it and still feel sleepy - didn't have any sleep issues when missing a dose. I've had breaks for up to a few months at time, but did find it beneficial to just keep a supply around and use when needed.

If I use blue light blockers, red light bulbs at night, and get some morning sunlight I don't really need it either. Probably wouldn't need it at all in a low EMF/no blue light environment.

 

[Heather]

Hi Heather

Thank you for pointing out the zeolite. I think Dr. Klinghardt means the impurities that are often associated with the breakdown. I found a German dealer and bought a 25 kg container. Regular laboratory analysis is visible on the retailer's website. Serious dealers always provide an analysis on request.

I use Piping Rock's melatonin (10mg). I have found that the liposomal form makes sense for vitamin C, as higher amounts can be taken orally here. Minerals are also available in this form and I think the bio availability is significantly improved here. For melatonin, the form of a normal tablet or sublingual is enough for me. I have the feeling to take it very well.

If you've been using liposomal melatonin, chances are you've taken a higher dose and the rash was a sign of toxin release. I think the most important is the binding of toxins and good support for the liver (alpha lipoic acid, milk thistle), the kidneys (salt protocol) and the intestines (zeolite, probiotics). But that applies to all forms of detoxification.

Thanks again, Kari Baba.

If it wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience, could you specify exact amounts, time of day you take these, and brand names you like for this protocol? Since it's been working so well for you maybe having the entire scenario could be of help to others, including myself (!)

 

[Ant22]

Did you mean mg in the pill form? I'm going to buy it in powder to keep costs down a bit, the Puritan's Pride capsules are quite expensive.

Yes ersio, when I referred to oral supplementation I meant pills to swallow.

The sublingual ones I take are lozenges and not drops. They stay in the mouth for longer than drops would, as it takes a few minutes for them to dissolve. This may impact on how well they work, as once swallowed, melatonin seems to be absorbed less effectively. I switched to sublingual lozenges because I saw testimonials here on the forum that said the sublingual form was more effective than pills. Here are the ones I buy.

 

[Persephone]

Hi Andrian, thank you so much for answering, I had that question because the packaging of the melatonin says to take it "occasionally" or no more than 14 days in a row.

I don't know what form you took but I didn't respond well to melatonin in pills. It either didn't do anything or it gave me poor sleep. But ever since I switched to sublingual lozenges I've been getting very good results.

Thank you all for your comments. I also read on my melatonin box that I should not take more than one pill a day (1.9 mg) and I complied with this dose for several months, but without any obvious benefits on the quality of my sleep. So I will try to take a little more and eventually switch to sublingual lozenges.

 

[Ant22]

Thank you all for your comments. I also read on my melatonin box that I should not take more than one pill a day (1.9 mg) and I complied with this dose for several months, but without any obvious benefits on the quality of my sleep. So I will try to take a little more and eventually switch to sublingual lozenges.

Hi Persephone, it is often the case that the dosage on the box/bottle is there for legal reasons as opposed to health ones. Lower dosages can be sold over the counter while higher ones require prescription. It may be a good idea to experiment a little, you may need a smaller dose than one pill, or more than one pill.

It's the same with food and expiry dates. There's a legal limit of how long the expiry date can be. I recently opened a jar of meat pate that "expired" in the summer of 2019 and it was perfectly fine to eat.

My iodine bottle says it's for external use only and I took it internally daily for 5 years, including high doses for longer periods of time and I was fine.

This meme comes to mind

 

[Ant22]

Thank you all for your comments. I also read on my melatonin box that I should not take more than one pill a day (1.9 mg) and I complied with this dose for several months, but without any obvious benefits on the quality of my sleep. So I will try to take a little more and eventually switch to sublingual lozenges.

I found a few posts in the main 'Melatonin' thread (this was was intended for the high dose melatonin therapy) where forum members said they found the sublingual version to be better:

It's kind of like vitamin C, you find your right dose by experimenting for tolerance. Also, sublingual is way better than a pill you swallow.

If you have no trouble sleeping at the right hours, for the right length of time, you don't need it.

Sublingual melatonin works better for me than the pill form. I had to take 10mg of pill form melatonin to achieve the same results as 3mg sublingual melatonin (and I am not a big guy :)). Perhaps try that?

As well, do you use GABA or 5HTP in combination with melatonin? If you are unfamiliar with these, try using the search function for more information here on the Forum.

FWIW, I've taken both capsule and sublingual forms and have much faster and better results with the sublingual version. I'm able to take half as much of sublingual as I would need of capsule formula and get the same results.

That said, there's no one-size-fits-all solution as not everyone responded well to the sublingual form:

Ya know, I don't know why, but the sublingual form does absolutely nothing for me. I've found that the Source Time-Released 3mg (I have to take two of them) does the trick for me and helps me sleep for much longer than taking the ones that aren't time-release. I've had a lot of problems with not being able to go to sleep, or going to sleep but waking up after an hour or so and not being able to go back to sleep. I don't have these problems (98% of the time) with this melatonin product.

It may be useful to go through the main Melatonin thread for more insight and testimonials.

 

[SlipNet]

I've got back onto melatonin in the last week and can testify to the dream recollection thing, just a series of very vivid and odd dreams, often involving old friends and ex girlfriends, really odd to experience because these are people I have no contact with nowadays. What got me started was I was finding it very difficult to get off to sleep, taking about 3-4 hrs of twisting and turning, very frustrating. I think I'll order some more because I've found the sleeping easier this last week, and I've found myself feeling more energetic upon waking. I'd like to understand why I'm having dreams involving people I've not laid eyes on in 15 years though, I suppose there's a lot of processing of old emotions still going on in my subconscious mind.

 

[Kari Baba]

Thanks again, Kari Baba.

If it wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience, could you specify exact amounts, time of day you take these, and brand names you like for this protocol? Since it's been working so well for you maybe having the entire scenario could be of help to others, including myself (!)

I can tell you what I'm taking:

In the morning before breakfast:

• Salt water
• 300mg alpha lipoic acid
• 1 teaspoon of zeolite dissolved in water
• 3 grams of vitamin C + 500mg of magnesium citrate dissolved in water

Noon:

50mg zinc

Half an hour before going to bed:

Zeolite, 300mg Alpha Lipoic Acid and 100mg Melatonin

I have provided the products with the links. However, I am very flexible and also change frequently. Since I've also been doing the iodine protocol since February, I also take all associated cofactors. I am currently at 25mg iodine per day and will continue to do so.

Unfortunately, zeolite is usually very expensive, so I bought a 25kg container and fill it myself. The quality is very good and the laboratory report can be downloaded.

 

[Heather]

I can tell you what I'm taking:

In the morning before breakfast:

• Salt water
• 300mg alpha lipoic acid
• 1 teaspoon of zeolite dissolved in water
• 3 grams of vitamin C + 500mg of magnesium citrate dissolved in water

Noon:

50mg zinc

Half an hour before going to bed:

Zeolite, 300mg Alpha Lipoic Acid and 100mg Melatonin

I have provided the products with the links. However, I am very flexible and also change frequently. Since I've also been doing the iodine protocol since February, I also take all associated cofactors. I am currently at 25mg iodine per day and will continue to do so.

Unfortunately, zeolite is usually very expensive, so I bought a 25kg container and fill it myself. The quality is very good and the laboratory report can be downloaded.

Thanks so much, Kari Baba.

I know Klinghardt has said that one can use Chlorella Pyrenoidosa* (in the proper amount, not too little) OR zeolite. In fact, I believe he suggested zeolite for those who can't stomach the chlorella. But, either/or, at any rate, as effective binders.

*BioPure offers this product.