Holograms and Alien Invasion
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neema said:
I couldn't even finish watching the first video. I had to turn the volume off because the music was noise to me. And what's up with that sexed up "singer"? I really can't see how anybody would be interested in a concert like that. It made me sad, actually. Japanese people have been going this "virtual" way for too long. Maybe I'm getting old too, neema.
Technology is really cool, but used for this, I really don't get it.
Approaching Infinity said:
Not much different from all the puppets we have now for presidents! ;)
Well, let's see.... We have the whole Laurel Canyon thing, where it's pretty obvious they make "stars" and then either they self-destruct, or they are destroyed.
Now we have holographic stars with fake singing and a real band.
Heck, let's just replace the WHOLE band with an entirely holographic, synthetic experience! Just think, the PTB won't have to pay any money and deal with those annoying drugged-up people anymore. They just program something new, et voila!
Also, I personally have never really understood the whole music concert thing. I went to 1 concert in my life, and it was "fun". Afterwards, I became a "fan" of the band's music. But really, their music was no different than anyone else's. In any case, I can't really understand people idolizing a music star when there is so much other crap going on in the world that is so much more important.
And now, they aren't even idolizing a real person!
As for the technology, I also can't get excited about that. When I was about 11 years old, I went to Disney World. They had holograms way back then, and the quality of this new cartoony-punk-Japanese-schoolgirl thing is not exactly earth-shattering. To say nothing of the obsession with the schoolgirl image...
And the software that does the "singing"? Well, can't get excited about that either. We've know for a long time that the technology possessed by certain agencies and groups is far beyond what is publicly visible/available. So, who cares?
Of course, I don't think it's the tech itself that's evil, but the application of it. But then, the tech itself is not exactly anything new or amazing, either.
And so, I am left with nothing to be excited about!
:(
Now we have holographic stars with fake singing and a real band.
Heck, let's just replace the WHOLE band with an entirely holographic, synthetic experience! Just think, the PTB won't have to pay any money and deal with those annoying drugged-up people anymore. They just program something new, et voila!
Also, I personally have never really understood the whole music concert thing. I went to 1 concert in my life, and it was "fun". Afterwards, I became a "fan" of the band's music. But really, their music was no different than anyone else's. In any case, I can't really understand people idolizing a music star when there is so much other crap going on in the world that is so much more important.
And now, they aren't even idolizing a real person!
As for the technology, I also can't get excited about that. When I was about 11 years old, I went to Disney World. They had holograms way back then, and the quality of this new cartoony-punk-Japanese-schoolgirl thing is not exactly earth-shattering. To say nothing of the obsession with the schoolgirl image...
And the software that does the "singing"? Well, can't get excited about that either. We've know for a long time that the technology possessed by certain agencies and groups is far beyond what is publicly visible/available. So, who cares?
Of course, I don't think it's the tech itself that's evil, but the application of it. But then, the tech itself is not exactly anything new or amazing, either.
And so, I am left with nothing to be excited about!
:(
Cyre2067
The Living Force
I mean, what i get from it is a bunch of people paying to watch TV... imho that wasn't a real hologram because it was projected on a large screen. I'd be impressed if it was a complete true 3 dimensional image projected onto a real stage.
The music was okay, catchy beat, but i mean that's all pop music. What really weirded me out was all the people in the theater waving glow-sticks as if this hologram could respond to them.
Real concerts are different, there's a palpable energy, an interaction between audience and performers, feedback is given, its much more 'real', thou i use the term lightly. I agree with Anart, there's absolutely nothing real about this concert, this 'artist', its all synthetic. Left me feeling skeeved out (which is American slang for a dirty-weird feeling of disgust). :/
The music was okay, catchy beat, but i mean that's all pop music. What really weirded me out was all the people in the theater waving glow-sticks as if this hologram could respond to them.
Real concerts are different, there's a palpable energy, an interaction between audience and performers, feedback is given, its much more 'real', thou i use the term lightly. I agree with Anart, there's absolutely nothing real about this concert, this 'artist', its all synthetic. Left me feeling skeeved out (which is American slang for a dirty-weird feeling of disgust). :/
That was pretty unimpressive given the low quality of the hologram and the obvious projection equipment right under it. Show me one that has no obvious source and is in full believable color and photo-realistic textures, then I'll be impressed (from a technology standpoint though, not as a good use of the technology). Imagine if the whole stage was holographic? That would be the next level of theater, using holographic props. The entire stage could become anything or any place, an ocean with a boat on the sea, an alien planet, etc. It would be much more holodeck-like and would bring theater closer to movies. It could also make concerts more like a music videos that could take you to any environment, especially if the projection included the entire theater and not just the stage. Although it would really dissociate the hell out of everyone there.
Here is a projection that I thought was much more impressive since it was done on an entire building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=426GPgetJmw
Also I agree with Puck - although I've only been to 1 concert and that was when I was little, I keep meaning to get to a jazz festival and see some virtuosos perform live. But without the interaction of real people and the audience, it's just like a big movie theater, and it's creepy how worked up everyone is getting waving AT the computer image as if it cares. That's also why I was always confused why people clap at the end of movies in the theater - there's nobody there to feel thanked or humbled by the applause, it's just a recording. This holographic stuff seems only interesting, for me at least, if used as a background to real people doing real creative and skillful things.
Here is a projection that I thought was much more impressive since it was done on an entire building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=426GPgetJmw
Also I agree with Puck - although I've only been to 1 concert and that was when I was little, I keep meaning to get to a jazz festival and see some virtuosos perform live. But without the interaction of real people and the audience, it's just like a big movie theater, and it's creepy how worked up everyone is getting waving AT the computer image as if it cares. That's also why I was always confused why people clap at the end of movies in the theater - there's nobody there to feel thanked or humbled by the applause, it's just a recording. This holographic stuff seems only interesting, for me at least, if used as a background to real people doing real creative and skillful things.
GRiM
The Living Force
This seems somewhat relevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg&feature=related
During the American election Jessica Yellin was recorded as a hologram and beamed into the studio
She says 36 mo-cap cameras and a few projectors at the reciving end.
a little more info about CNNs technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZ6Edu9j-g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg&feature=related
During the American election Jessica Yellin was recorded as a hologram and beamed into the studio
She says 36 mo-cap cameras and a few projectors at the reciving end.
a little more info about CNNs technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZ6Edu9j-g&feature=related
mocachapeau
Dagobah Resident
Mr. Scott said:
My first thought was similar to that, as well.
The PTB don't have to worry about this singer's behaviour in her personal life, because she doesn't have one. She will say anything they want her to in a televised interview. She can influence young girls, the same way the Spice Girls did, any way they want her to. She will sing whatever lyrics are given to her, promote any image, etc. What an incredible mind control tool for our very young, impressionable youth.
There is a movie made, called S1m0ne, to explore just this very thing:mocachapeau said:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258153/
Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQSCUPC_oL4
Buddy
The Living Force
anart said:
Thanks for that. It's disheartening enough to see people chasing and sinking their precious minds into a 2 dimensional flat screen fantasy, but to see the chase 'upgraded' to a 3 dimensional fantasy is about more than I can bear. And then I feel a bit worse when I ask myself, who the hell am I to say anything to anybody? But I just wanted to say that much.
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Edit: for clarity of meaning
shijing
The Living Force
Pete02 said:
neema said:
Gertrudes said:
The thing about Japan is kind of interesting. As a culture, monolithically, they are extremely good at assimilating outside influences, absorbing them into their own cultural identity, and then perfecting them, making them better than the original -- but at the same time, they maintain a sharp distinction between in-group and out-group influences. This has been true for a long time, as evidenced by the way that they have liberally borrowed from other languages -- first Chinese, and later Western (now primarily English) languages -- but still maintain the distinction in their orthography (as an aside, sushi was originally borrowed into Japan from what is now Southeastern China, but the tradition stayed alive and well in Japan, and was improved over time, after it had already died out on the mainland).
I kind of wonder, in the spirit of Lobaczewski's "macrosocial", if an entire culture can be prone to certain pathological weaknesses (maybe along the lines of what neema was referring to) that can be embedded where a weak point exists, and then the culture itself can be used as a vehicle for wider dissemination to other cultures through contact. The Japanese collective mind seems extremely prone to dissociation and fantasy -- Korean culture seems to exhibit this to a certain extent as well, although most of their modern influences are imported from Japan and not home-grown as far as I can tell. The Tamagotchi and Anime are very telling, along with the trailblazing experimentation in artificial intelligence, robotic human analogues, and of course the holographic experimentation that was the original impetus for this thread.
There's kind of a parallel undercurrent with this trend, which I think is directly connected, that has to do with sexuality and relationships. The man mentioned above who wants to marry an Anime character is pretty symptomatic of this -- there is this general divorce in the Japanese male psyche between real-life partnering, which is sort of seen as an everyday obligation in many cases which deteriorates into something that is maintained for the sake of appearances, and the fantasy world that is there to supply the actual emotional and physical fantasies of men that are driven by the cultural context (IMO, a good movie that illustrated this indirectly was Shall We Dance?). This spills over into the non-technological world -- besides the huge corner that Japan has on Anime porn, which is its own animal, there are things that I noticed when I lived in Japan years ago such as shops devoted entirely to the sale of used schoolgirl uniforms, which successfully target an adult male demographic -- that took awhile for me to process -- and it's not the most shocking example. The whole Geisha phenomenon -- because they were not used merely, or necessarily, to fulfill physical needs, but fantasy -- is an interesting precursor to this. So all of this ties together under the umbrella of dissociation and a kind of wishful thinking, and I do think that Japan has been used as a kind of platform to launch this into the wider world.
Very interesting analysis, Shijing, thanks for the food for thought. It makes a lot of sense, and technology is greatly contributing to this dissociation and replacement of substance and real human interaction and values with a fantasy. This will just continue to get worse until the logical extreme of everyone just living in a virtual fantasy world, like the Matrix, or having robots as life partners.
