Holograms and Alien Invasion

[Buddy]

...technology is greatly contributing to this dissociation and replacement of substance and real human interaction and values with a fantasy.

I agree. The technological trend is just going to follow the tracks already laid down, OSIT.

...everyone just living in a virtual fantasy world, like the Matrix, or having robots as life partners.

And these are probably the tracks.

 

[Gertrudes]

Yes, thank you for that interesting analysis Shijing.

there is this general divorce in the Japanese male psyche between real-life partnering, which is sort of seen as an everyday obligation in many cases which deteriorates into something that is maintained for the sake of appearances, and the fantasy world that is there to supply the actual emotional and physical fantasies of men that are driven by the cultural context

The idea that was passed to me by Japanese friends, is that in Japanese culture human interactions and bonding tends to have a sort of a safety distance. I'm sorry for I can't really offer a lot of concrete data besides this subjective impression, but for one example, holding hands or kissing between a couple either in public, or even inside the safety of a family's home walls, which is something common in western culture, seems to be rare in japan.
I wonder whether this, should I risk call it "lack of warmth and human contact" doesn't feed the need to compensate, poorly, with virtual people, pets, and the need for a presence of a sexual tone in the way some of the regular Japanese cartoons characters are designed (the schoolgirl image for one example, also adopted in the hologram), plus the anime porn culture.

When a Japanese friend of mine got married two years ago, her family came over to Europe for the wedding. Apparently the way things work, is that the mother explains to the daughter how to behave during her soon to be married life. My friend who has been living in Europe for a few years now, and was marrying to an Argentinean man, was surprised to learn that part of her role as a wife, and as expected from her own Japanese culture, is to please her husband and be sexually available when he so pleases her to be. Apparently, sex had never been discussed within her family, as she told me it usually isn't within others' families, only for her mother to break the silence drastically, by taking her to sex shops before the wedding.

There is a strong discrepancy of actions here, and if a whole culture tends to act similarly it is, I think, a sign that something is being repressed, and it will need to find a way out in some shape or form.

 

[Buddy]

There is a strong discrepancy of actions here, and if a whole culture tends to act similarly it is, I think, a sign that something is being repressed, and it will need to find a way out in some shape or form.

Gurdjieff describes the "Asian Mind" beginning with the last sentence on page 217 of Meetings with Remarkable Men.

For anyone who is interested and doesn't have access to Gurdjieff's description, here is the contextual quote. The "meat" of the description starts with the bolded sentence, OSIT.

As I have happened to use the word 'fakir', I do not consider it superfluous to digress a little in order to throw some light on this famous word. It is, indeed, one of the many empty words which, on account of the incorrect meaning given them, particularly in recent times, has an automatic action upon all contemporary Europeans and has become one of the chief causes of the progressive dwindling of their thinking capacity.

Although the word 'fakir' in the meaning given it by Europeans is unknown to the peoples of Asia, nevertheless, this same word is in use there almost everywhere. Fakir, or more correctly fakhr, has as its root the Turkoman word meaning 'beggar', and among almost all the peoples of the continent of Asia whose speech is derived from ancient Turkoman, this word has come down to our day with the meaning of 'swindler' or 'cheat'.
As a matter of fact, to express this meaning of 'swindler' or 'cheat' two different words are used among these peoples, both derived from ancient Turkoman. One is this word 'fakir' and the other is lourie. The former is the word used for a cheat or swindler who uses his guile to take advantage of others by way of their religiousness, while the latter is applied to someone who simply takes advantage of their stupidity. The name lourie, by the way, is given to all gypsies, both as a people and as individuals.

Generally speaking, gypsies are found among all other peoples and everywhere lead a nomadic life. They are chiefly engaged in dealing in horses, tinkering, in singing at feasts, fortune-telling and kindred occupations. They usually make their camps near populated places and deceive naive townspeople and villagers by every kind of cunning. Consequently the word lourie, denoting the gypsy people, has from long ago come to be used in Asia for every person, regardless of race, who is a swindler or a cheat.

For conveying the meaning which Europeans wrongly ascribe to the word 'fakir', several words are employed among Asiatic peoples, the most widely used being ez-ezounavouran, which comes from the Turkoman spoken language and means 'he who beats himself.

I have myself read and heard many statements by Europeans about these so-called fakirs, asserting that their tricks are supernatural and miraculous, whereas actually, in the judgement of all more or less normal people in Asia, such tricks are performed by unconscionable swindlers and cheats of the highest order.
To show what confusion the wrong use of this word has caused among Europeans, I think it will be sufficient to say that, although I have travelled in almost all the countries where these fakirs, as imagined by Europeans, are supposed to live, I have never seen a single one of them; but I did have the good fortune recently to see a genuine fakhr, in the sense used by people of the continent of Asia, only not in India or any of those countries where Europeans think they live, but in the very heart of Europe, in the city of Berlin.

I was strolling one day along Kurfurstendamm in the direction of the main entrance to the Zoological Gardens, when I saw on the pavement, on a little hand-wagon, a cripple who had lost both legs, turning an antediluvian musical-box.

In Berlin, the capital city of Germany, as in other large centres representing, as it were, the epitome of contemporary civilization, it is forbidden to ask for charity directly, but anyone who wishes may beg and will not be bothered by the police, if he grinds an old barrel-organ, or sells empty match-boxes or indecent postcards and various kindred literature.

This beggar, dressed like a German soldier, was turning his musicalbox, which had half its notes missing. As I passed by I threw him a few small coins and, happening to glance at him, his face seemed familiar to me. I did not question him, as in general I did not then, any more than now, risk speaking alone with strangers in my broken German, but I began to think where I could have seen him before.

When I had finished my business, I returned along the same street. The cripple was still there. I approached very slowly and looked at him closely, trying to recall why his face was so familiar, but at that moment I could not. It was only on arriving at the Romanische Cafe, that it suddenly came to me that the man was no other than the husband of a lady who, several years before in Constantinople, was sent to me by a close friend of mine, with a letter of introduction appealing to me to give her medical treatment. The lady's husband was a former Russian officer who, it seems, had been evacuated from Russia to Constantinople with Wrangel's Army.

I then remembered how the young lady had come to me with a dislocated shoulder and her body covered with bruises. While I was busy with her arm, she told me that her husband had beaten her because she had refused to sell herself for a good sum to a certain Spanish Jew. Somehow or other with the help of Drs. Victorov and Maximovitch I put her shoulder right, after which she left.

Two or three weeks after that I was sitting in a Russian restaurant in Constantinople called the 'Black Rose', when this lady approached me. Nodding in the direction of a man with whom she had been sitting, she said: 'There he is—my husband,' and added, 'I have made it up with him again. He is really quite a good man although he does lose his temper at times.' Having told me this, she quickly left. It was only then that I understood what kind of woman she was. Afterwards, I sat there and scrutinized the face of this officer for a long time, as I was interested in such a rare type.

And now here was this same officer, a legless cripple, in the uniform of a German soldier, turning a musical-box and collecting small German coins. In the course of a day a great many small coins were thrown by kind-hearted passers-by to this unfortunate victim of the war!

This man in my opinion was a genuine fakhr in the sense understood by all Asiatic peoples; as for his legs, would to God that mine were as sound and strong as his!

Well, enough about this; let us return to the story we had begun. . . .

And so we approached that ez-ezounavouran, and after appropriate greetings sat down beside him. Before asking him what we wanted to know, we began to speak with him, observing the various conventional courtesies habitual among these people.

It is interesting to remark that the psyche of the people inhabiting these regions is totally different from that of Europeans. Among the latter [Europeans], almost always what is in the thoughts is on the tongue. Among Asiatics this is not the case—the duality of the psyche is highly developed. Any person of these regions, however polite and friendly he may be outwardly, may none the less inwardly hate you and be thinking out all kinds of harm for you.

Many Europeans who have lived among Asiatics for decades without understanding this particularity of theirs, and who judge them according to themselves, always lose a great deal as a result of this and create many misunderstandings which might have been avoided. These people of Asia are full of pride and self-love. Each of them, irrespective of his position, demands from everyone a certain attitude towards himself as a person.

Among them the main thing is kept in the background, and one must lead up to it as if it were just by the way; if not, at the best, they will for instance direct you to the right when your road lies to the left. On the other hand, if you do everything as it should be done, then not only will they give you accurate directions, but will even be eager to help you, if possible themselves, to reach your intended destination.

Therefore, when we approached this man, we did not begin by asking him what we wanted to know. God forbid that we should do so before observing the necessary conventions.

After sitting down beside him, we spoke of the beauty of the scenery and told him that we were there for the first time, asked how the surrounding conditions suited him, and so on. And only much later I remarked as if in passing: 'We need such and such wood for a certain purpose, but we are not able to find it anywhere around here.'

He replied that he greatly regretted that he did not know where it could be found, as he had only been in the neighbourhood a short time, but that a certain respected old man, who was his teacher, might know. He lived behind the hill in a cave, and had been there a long time and knew the locality very well.

G's "Meetings with Remarkable Men", p 217-219

 

[zhenqing]

Amazing technology, yes, but the very idea about creating artificial idol is very creepy.

For me, music have always been about the heart. About feelings. What feelings can have a hologram? None.
In a way, we already have those kind of "artists". The best way to see it is to watch MTV for a couple of minutes. I guess a hologram is another step in dehumanization.

This is also about living in a fantasy bubble and about emptiness in ones live. Only people who feel empty inside seek idols. We all know that emptiness can be filled in many ways. Alcohol, drugs, promiscuous sex - those were old ways of doing it. The new ones are about fake realities. You can almost literally transfer yourself to virtual word, be it a game, a fandom or a life of someone else. Locked yourself up in a fantasy.

Aside from Japanese, Korean teenagers are also good example of that. There are many talent agencies in South Korea, which recruits young boys and girls and train them to be idols and entertainers. And to be successful, those kids can't be just good-looking and good at singing. They must be perfect in multitasking: know how to sing, how to dance, to act, to be a comedians, MCs, they must be also good in sports etc. After training period, various groups are being formed. They get catchy names, concepts and make a debut. Then, if a group succeed, it gather large and faithful fanbase. In the same time, members from those groups must follow very strict rules. Like, for example, no girlfriends/boyfriends and dating because, well, it would crash their fans fragile hearts, burst their happy bubbles and as a results, the sales would suffer. But with this, fans can feel like they own their idols. Perfect dream of a perfect man/woman that not exists in real world. Agency benefits from maintaining that fantasy.

dream of many Korean boys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ

dream of many Korean girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dww9UjJ4Dt8

The first video scares me the most


Great analysis by the way, Shijing.
I've noticed that Japanese people are very formal when it comes to relationships. Maybe that's why they are compensating in such weird way. Repressed feelings tend to come out sooner or later. Perhaps to do this safely, they choose fantasy.

 

[Gertrudes]

Gurdjieff describes the "Asian Mind" beginning with the last sentence on page 217 of Meetings with Remarkable Men.

Thanks for the quote Bud, I had read it before but completely forgot about it. The following excerpt in particular caught my attention:

Among the latter [Europeans], almost always what is in the thoughts is on the tongue. Among Asiatics this is not the case—the duality of the psyche is highly developed.

 

[shijing]

Among the latter [Europeans], almost always what is in the thoughts is on the tongue. Among Asiatics this is not the case—the duality of the psyche is highly developed.

Yes, thanks for the quote Bud, it was very apropos -- this does seem to be the case, generally. It's kind of ironic in light of the stereotypical Native American saying that the White Man "speaks with two faces" -- of course, that refers to duplicity, not external consideration (which is what I get from Gurdjieff's quote), but still kind of funny.

This is also about living in a fantasy bubble and about emptiness in ones live. Only people who feel empty inside seek idols. We all know that emptiness can be filled in many ways. Alcohol, drugs, promiscuous sex - those were old ways of doing it. The new ones are about fake realities. You can almost literally transfer yourself to virtual word, be it a game, a fandom or a life of someone else. Locked yourself up in a fantasy.

Aside from Japanese, Korean teenagers are also good example of that. There are many talent agencies in South Korea, which recruits young boys and girls and train them to be idols and entertainers. And to be successful, those kids can't be just good-looking and good at singing. They must be perfect in multitasking: know how to sing, how to dance, to act, to be a comedians, MCs, they must be also good in sports etc. After training period, various groups are being formed. They get catchy names, concepts and make a debut. Then, if a group succeed, it gather large and faithful fanbase. In the same time, members from those groups must follow very strict rules. Like, for example, no girlfriends/boyfriends and dating because, well, it would crash their fans fragile hearts, burst their happy bubbles and as a results, the sales would suffer. But with this, fans can feel like they own their idols. Perfect dream of a perfect man/woman that not exists in real world. Agency benefits from maintaining that fantasy.

That's interesting about the rule against dating -- how very pragmatic! I know that there are semi-regular incidences of fans committing suicide when they find out their idol gets married -- most of the cases I've heard about are girls/women, I'm not sure if it happens with boys/men as well, although my guess would be that a lot of them end up as celebrity stalkers. Those videos were well-chosen too -- very typical of a lot of the stuff you see in East Asia right now on TV and elsewhere. There's this noticeable tendency towards extreme youth and, in the case of men, androgyny.

The idea that was passed to me by Japanese friends, is that in Japanese culture human interactions and bonding tends to have a sort of a safety distance. I'm sorry for I can't really offer a lot of concrete data besides this subjective impression, but for one example, holding hands or kissing between a couple either in public, or even inside the safety of a family's home walls, which is something common in western culture, seems to be rare in japan.
I wonder whether this, should I risk call it "lack of warmth and human contact" doesn't feed the need to compensate, poorly, with virtual people, pets, and the need for a presence of a sexual tone in the way some of the regular Japanese cartoons characters are designed (the schoolgirl image for one example, also adopted in the hologram), plus the anime porn culture.
[...] There is a strong discrepancy of actions here, and if a whole culture tends to act similarly it is, I think, a sign that something is being repressed, and it will need to find a way out in some shape or form.

I've noticed that Japanese people are very formal when it comes to relationships. Maybe that's why they are compensating in such weird way. Repressed feelings tend to come out sooner or later. Perhaps to do this safely, they choose fantasy.

I'm not sure what to think about that yet. I think there is some truth in it -- there is certainly a large degree of formality and safety distance involved, and romantic interactions have traditionally been strongly censored in public, although there is a lot more variation there now under Western influence, but there is definitely repression going on. The only reason I might think there is something more to it is based on my time in a culturally remote part of China several years ago where I lived for a year. The culture there was very similar in some respects, where the teenagers were the first generation to openly show affection in public, much to the chagrin of their elders -- and even then, it only amounted to hand-holding. But the psychological dynamic was pretty different, with no real use of escapist proxies; it may be important that women there traditionally enjoyed a lot more power and freedom than they do in places like Japan and Korea, and the gender roles were much more equal. But I didn't see everything, and it could be that there were ways that repressed feelings and energies were being released that I wasn't aware of.

When a Japanese friend of mine got married two years ago, her family came over to Europe for the wedding. Apparently the way things work, is that the mother explains to the daughter how to behave during her soon to be married life. My friend who has been living in Europe for a few years now, and was marrying to an Argentinean man, was surprised to learn that part of her role as a wife, and as expected from her own Japanese culture, is to please her husband and be sexually available when he so pleases her to be. Apparently, sex had never been discussed within her family, as she told me it usually isn't within others' families, only for her mother to break the silence drastically, by taking her to sex shops before the wedding.

Yeah, I think that's pretty common -- it's kind of an institutionalized form of rape, really. Also a good example of victims passing on victimhood to their children, since it is specifically the mother teaching the daughter. Along these lines, there is a really good book called My Year of Meats that deals with this as part the story, via the character Akiko Ueno described below:

At first glance, a novel that promises to expose the unethical practices of the American meat industry may not be at the top of your reading list, but Ruth Ozeki's debut, My Year of Meats is well worth a second look. Like the author, the novel's protagonist, Jane Takagi-Little, is a Japanese-American documentary filmmaker; like Ozeki, who was once commissioned by a beef lobbying group to make television shows for the Japanese market, Jane is invited to work on a Japanese television show meant to encourage beef consumption via the not-so-subliminal suggestion that prime rib equals a perfect family:

TO: AMERICAN RESEARCH STAFF
FROM: Tokyo Office
DATE: January 5, 1991
RE: My American Wife!...

Here is list of IMPORTANT THINGS for My American Wife!

DESIRABLE THINGS:
1. Attractiveness, wholesomeness, warm personality
2. Delicious meat recipe (NOTE: Pork and other meats is second class meats, so please remember this easy motto: "Pork is Possible, but Beef is Best!")
3. Attractive, docile husband
4. Attractive, obedient children
5. Attractive, wholesome lifestyle
6. Attractive, clean house...

UNDESIRABLE THINGS:
1. Physical imperfections
2. Obesity
3. Squalor
4. Second class peoples

The series, My American Wife!, initally seems like a dream come true for Jane as she criss-crosses the United States filming a different American family each week for her Japanese audience. Naturally, the emphasis is on meat, and Ozeki has fun with out-there recipes such as rump roast in coke and beef fudge; but as Jane becomes more familiar with her subject, she becomes increasingly aware of the beef industry's widespread practice of using synthetic estrogens on their cattle and determines to sabotage the program.

Cut to Tokyo where Akiko Ueno struggles through the dull misery of life with her brutish husband, who happens to be in charge of the show's advertising. After seeing one of Jane's subversive episodes about a vegetarian lesbian couple, Akiko gets in touch and the two women plot to expose the meat industry's hazardous practices. Romance, humor, intrigue, and even a message--My Year of Meats has it all. This is a book that even a vegetarian would love.

It's a seriously good book -- it's very pro-woman, and Ozeki simultaneously deconstructs Japanese gender roles, Western gender roles, and tackles the slaughterhouse industry. And a lot of the time, it's really funny!

 

[Buddy]

Yes, thanks for the quote Bud, it was very apropos -- this does seem to be the case, generally. It's kind of ironic in light of the stereotypical Native American saying that the White Man "speaks with two faces" -- of course, that refers to duplicity, not external consideration (which is what I get from Gurdjieff's quote), but still kind of funny.

Speaking of duplicity and funny, I remember reading where once, a Native American Chief, speaking of the white man, supposedly said:

"They come here.
They move their eyes from side to side.
We don't know what they want."


I think I've worked with people like that! :D

 

[knowledge_of_self]

I just caught this article on SOTT and thought of this thread.

I think it's interesting to note that technology is moving towards the idea of Holographic imagery more and more. As stated by others on this thread, it opens up many possibilities of mass "UFO"/"Alien" sightings, and much more.

EDIT** Not to mention the embellishment of mass dissociation, with everything that's going on the world. Ie. climate change, ecenomic collapse and government corruption, etc etc etc...

There's kind of a parallel undercurrent with this trend, which I think is directly connected, that has to do with sexuality and relationships. The man mentioned above who wants to marry an Anime character is pretty symptomatic of this -- there is this general divorce in the Japanese male psyche between real-life partnering, which is sort of seen as an everyday obligation in many cases which deteriorates into something that is maintained for the sake of appearances, and the fantasy world that is there to supply the actual emotional and physical fantasies of men that are driven by the cultural context (IMO, a good movie that illustrated this indirectly was Shall We Dance?). This spills over into the non-technological world -- besides the huge corner that Japan has on Anime porn, which is its own animal, there are things that I noticed when I lived in Japan years ago such as shops devoted entirely to the sale of used schoolgirl uniforms, which successfully target an adult male demographic -- that took awhile for me to process -- and it's not the most shocking example. The whole Geisha phenomenon -- because they were not used merely, or necessarily, to fulfill physical needs, but fantasy -- is an interesting precursor to this. So all of this ties together under the umbrella of dissociation and a kind of wishful thinking, and I do think that Japan has been used as a kind of platform to launch this into the wider world.

On another note, I watched the movie "Shall We Dance" recently because of your suggestion here Shijing. And I have to say that I really enjoyed it and thought about all the things you said while watching it. It was very interesting indeed. Thank you! :)

 

[Aaron r]

Put me in the creepy camp. I wish Bill Hicks was still alive, he would have the appropriate response.

 

[mkrnhr]

When reading this article this morning http://www.sott.net/articles/show/220382-Dead-or-Alive-The-Eyes-Hold-the-Answer i thought that maybe the actual hype of dissociation into the virtual and hologram things could induce little by little a loss of ability to communicate through the eyes and expressing/sensing emotions.

 

[wanderer33]

This is interesting. I think I've heard someone say...I think it was John Lear, that hologram technology has been developed way past what you see in those tubes. He believes that the 911 planes were holograms projected from an aircraft or aircrafts. He believes that the explosions were surgical timed charges that cut the buildings
in the rough shape of a plane. They never did find any wreckage. They did find an engine on the ground, but the engine type was wrong for that type of aircraft. So, there never was any wreckage found.

He gave an example of a hologram presentation discussed by a friend of his that saw it. Apparently a presenter came out onto the stage, introduced himself, walked down among the audience and after some time just disappeared. It was a hologram.

 

[Iron]

The lyrics are about... spinning aimlessly.
Those lyrics are really... weird. "It" describes the tilt of the head in degrees, says she is getting dizzy...
Another curious thing to me is that they didnt even make the so called "vocaloid" human. It has anime features totally.

Im always amazed how Japan, a land notorious for treating women like second class slaves, for having one of the darkest porn industries, for having one of the highest rates of suicide in the world manages to retain the halo of "land of zen".

 

[3DStudent]

He believes that the 911 planes were holograms projected from an aircraft or aircrafts.

This thread talks about the planes being holograms, FWIW.

The lyrics are about... spinning aimlessly.
Those lyrics are really... weird. "It" describes the tilt of the head in degrees, says she is getting dizzy...
Another curious thing to me is that they didnt even make the so called "vocaloid" human. It has anime features totally.

Im always amazed how Japan, a land notorious for treating women like second class slaves, for having one of the darkest porn industries, for having one of the highest rates of suicide in the world manages to retain the halo of "land of zen".

I thought the lyrics were weird too. In one video, she says something like the circle keeps getting bigger in meters, etc. Maybe it would be better if she was telling people how to spin according to Bringers of the Dawn.

As for the "land of zen" and this newer culture, I think they are both seen as good things, and maybe are associated with eachother. Like "The greatest things come from Japan." But if you lived this plugged in and perverted lifestyle, then maybe you would see that it's not what we outsiders think of it.

 

[Advaita]

It's really amazing how realistic holograms have become. I think to remember the Pleiadians saying that the Lizzies can insert holograms into our reality that even the Pleiadians find hard to distinguish from reality. Now humans have developped pretty amazing hologram technology themselves:

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqUYBopWLs

 

[Tigersoap]

If I am not mistaken, the first part with the animals, you have to stand in a specific spot and watch a screen where the 3D animals are incrusted into the image around you.

The second part is a huge 360 dome above your head and it seems that it's more a perception trick than a real holographic projection.
Looks fun enough to watch though.

I guess the lizzies must face palm a lot seeing our "advanced" technology :D