On Pierre's recent article on Sott, a forum member, Divide by Zero, was expressing his hopelessness about the state of the world and the future and supporting any one "side". I can certainly understand where he is coming from.
I thought I'd share one of his comments here and my response, in case there are others who are feeling something similar, and perhaps would like to discuss it.
[quote author= Divide by Zero] I think where I am most upset is that it pretty much means we are powerless as to the inevitable.
My personal life doesn't involve much suffering, I'm pretty lucky, but still it doesn't take the sting out of this existential crisis, that we are an experiment as the C's said, pawns on a chess board. Being aware of it doesn't change the fact that we are stuck on this sinking ship, lol.
Yes, it's an "interesting show", but it's very hard to feel like I want to root for any side. Maybe I take it too seriously? But how else do we take it when the status quo gets us this endless cycle?
I think it's a form of bankruptcy, where we realize that our idealizations are in fact rooted in some ignorance.
So, if its an interesting show, what's the point of anger about injustice, etc? Is it useful to have as a reminder to death that this reality is a cesspool? Is that the ultimate lesson that we keep forgetting with false hope?
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[quote author= Joe]DBZ, I think the issue here is one of control and the sense of the loss of it. I know it well. But the desire for control is really the desire for security, security against our fears, and our fears are rooted in beliefs which are almost certainly false, because that is what life in this world inculcates in us, wrong beliefs.
We have been taught that this world is a safe place that will continue on indefinitely, this provides some sense of security. But now that security is being stripped away and the true nature and intentions of the powers in control of this world are revealed. Not only that, but the Cs have revealed an even deeper truth about human life, as you mention. They said 'we are an experiment'. But that is not ALL they said. In fact, they said much more.
We are part of and involved in an evolutionary process that involves a much grander and broader perspective on what life is all about than we could ever have imagined. All things pass, but all things also continue. To where and what they continue is based on our beliefs, which are usually constrained by fear and made false by it.
When we "root for a side" in the political/social/cultural/spiritual arena of this world, we are not really supporting the actual physical thing or person, but the IDEA that a certain 'side' represents. We do not invest in the human machinations on this planet or where they will lead, rather we invest in the idea of a different world where love and joy direct its evolution rather than fear and suffering. We focus on that and, more to the point, we make those ideas, those ideals, REAL by making them a part of our inner and outer lives. A door is approaching, behind it stand many pathways to many different places. Which pathway we choose is determined by what we choose in the here and now.
This is a struggle, a battle, there is no doubt. The Cs said it was one for "souls and the future". DBZ, you know more of the most important things about life than the vast majority of people on this planet, but knowledge must be combined with Being, which is the application of that knowledge. When you apply that knowledge in your own life, when you make it a real, living thing, you are directly engaging in the process of choosing. Not only that, you will also directly help others who are trying to make the same choice, to make it. A critical mass of a very small number of people who make such a choice, who make it real by living it, can very probably "create" a whole new world.
What is missing in this world? Love, compassion, community spirit, Truth.
Long ago the Cs said:
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.
Q: (L) What are they?
A: We cannot tell you that.
Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS of the symbology of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the veil... and reacting to things according to choice?Giving each thing or person or event its due?
A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have learned, you have learned!
Keep the faith DBZ. I suspect that there will be plenty of opportunity in the not-too-distant future for those with an eye for it, to witness the symbolic nature of 3D existence and what it is pointing to.
Perhaps more importantly, those that DO see, will need to be ready and able to help those that have lost their way.[/quote]
I thought I'd share one of his comments here and my response, in case there are others who are feeling something similar, and perhaps would like to discuss it.
[quote author= Divide by Zero] I think where I am most upset is that it pretty much means we are powerless as to the inevitable.
My personal life doesn't involve much suffering, I'm pretty lucky, but still it doesn't take the sting out of this existential crisis, that we are an experiment as the C's said, pawns on a chess board. Being aware of it doesn't change the fact that we are stuck on this sinking ship, lol.
Yes, it's an "interesting show", but it's very hard to feel like I want to root for any side. Maybe I take it too seriously? But how else do we take it when the status quo gets us this endless cycle?
I think it's a form of bankruptcy, where we realize that our idealizations are in fact rooted in some ignorance.
So, if its an interesting show, what's the point of anger about injustice, etc? Is it useful to have as a reminder to death that this reality is a cesspool? Is that the ultimate lesson that we keep forgetting with false hope?
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[quote author= Joe]DBZ, I think the issue here is one of control and the sense of the loss of it. I know it well. But the desire for control is really the desire for security, security against our fears, and our fears are rooted in beliefs which are almost certainly false, because that is what life in this world inculcates in us, wrong beliefs.
We have been taught that this world is a safe place that will continue on indefinitely, this provides some sense of security. But now that security is being stripped away and the true nature and intentions of the powers in control of this world are revealed. Not only that, but the Cs have revealed an even deeper truth about human life, as you mention. They said 'we are an experiment'. But that is not ALL they said. In fact, they said much more.
We are part of and involved in an evolutionary process that involves a much grander and broader perspective on what life is all about than we could ever have imagined. All things pass, but all things also continue. To where and what they continue is based on our beliefs, which are usually constrained by fear and made false by it.
When we "root for a side" in the political/social/cultural/spiritual arena of this world, we are not really supporting the actual physical thing or person, but the IDEA that a certain 'side' represents. We do not invest in the human machinations on this planet or where they will lead, rather we invest in the idea of a different world where love and joy direct its evolution rather than fear and suffering. We focus on that and, more to the point, we make those ideas, those ideals, REAL by making them a part of our inner and outer lives. A door is approaching, behind it stand many pathways to many different places. Which pathway we choose is determined by what we choose in the here and now.
This is a struggle, a battle, there is no doubt. The Cs said it was one for "souls and the future". DBZ, you know more of the most important things about life than the vast majority of people on this planet, but knowledge must be combined with Being, which is the application of that knowledge. When you apply that knowledge in your own life, when you make it a real, living thing, you are directly engaging in the process of choosing. Not only that, you will also directly help others who are trying to make the same choice, to make it. A critical mass of a very small number of people who make such a choice, who make it real by living it, can very probably "create" a whole new world.
What is missing in this world? Love, compassion, community spirit, Truth.
Long ago the Cs said:
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.
Q: (L) What are they?
A: We cannot tell you that.
Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS of the symbology of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the veil... and reacting to things according to choice?Giving each thing or person or event its due?
A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have learned, you have learned!
Keep the faith DBZ. I suspect that there will be plenty of opportunity in the not-too-distant future for those with an eye for it, to witness the symbolic nature of 3D existence and what it is pointing to.
Perhaps more importantly, those that DO see, will need to be ready and able to help those that have lost their way.[/quote]