hope?

[casper]

Hope is for suckers
Reading the review of last year's events wonder how someone can do and think that something will change for the better.
Awareness's be on the animals in search of food and safe haven are able to dig each others eyes without feeling guilty because the few people who have a soul if you lose it.
Imagine this scenario: you do not have food and water, more money is not worth anything, extreme cold government, power failure, warm up to the last piece of wood, you are hungry and dirty ...
Hope?

 

[loreta]

Keep on fighting Casper! Be stubborn! Be angry. Be aware of everything that sucks. Don't waist time, read Laura, read Sott.net, hope is an energy that is there to embrace you even if the world is falling apart. Just to know what is happening is part of hope, this insistence to be alive, from the top of you head to under your feet. What the PTB wanted is take of yourself this energy.

I know people that are zombies. That's what the PTB wanted: people without even the possibility inside them that something can change, people without the idea that what is change, people who have an interior without energy. People indifferent to anything, people who are afraid of anything. To learn, to be aware is part of hope, to be alive, to see how things are going on. I don't want to look moralistic, I am one person who are seeing that things are not going very well. In fact they are going worse and worse but nobody, in particular the zombies and the Ptb will take this energy from me. :)

 

[casper]

for Loreta
As she herself said Laura cit., "We do not live in the same reality more."
In addition to the pandemic, social unrest around the world, financial collapse and wild climate, which allows indicators are needed?
We make decisions for which we are not even sure whether they are the product of our mind, decisions to themselves Sotto. editors say shape our future.

Anger is not a solution, it can take you in the wrong direction (I know from my own experience).
Once you overcome difficult it is to control.

Do you ever manage their energy or us and inserted to think so?
So many unanswered questions ?!
Or maybe they are answered but we do not realize.
Energy waste away from the day when we were born, the first cries and breaths, and stop the last gasp, or maybe not?

Martin Luther King said:
no one is hopeless enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
Elibert Hubbard:
Hope in reality is one of the greatest evils, because it prolongs man's suffering.

"Hope is a dangerous thing .In hope all flourish or wither and from the fierce gaps.
When a man loses his goal and all hope from despair becomes a monster. "
The future is a mystery that we will hardly survive because in fact against them, we have no idea.
Hope?
What or whom?

 

[placematt]

If hope is for suckers Casper, what would you have us do?

 

[casper]

Celebrate the New Year?
Explore the resources that are available to us only?
Be satisfied with what we know?
Be happy because it could be worse?

Is that all we are left, hopes?

 

[Keit]

Imagine this scenario: you do not have food and water, more money is not worth anything, extreme cold government, power failure, warm up to the last piece of wood, you are hungry and dirty ...
Hope?

Yes, this planet is so full of daily horrors and ever increasing pain, that using the word hope may appear as an insult. And it's probably true, that things will get much worse before they will have the chance to get better. But then, SOTT isn't exactly talking about this kind of hope.

But about hope, that psychopaths' insatiable greed will lead to a total collapse of the civilization as we know it. That this reality so permeated with lies will finally crack. That despite fear and anxiety that come with every major change, truth will act as a consolation, a balm, for it will be allowed to shine. It's true that most of the people probably won't be able to see or understand it for what it is, but if they will, they may feel joy at the Universe finally correcting the grave injustice.

We don't know exactly what form it will take, and to what extend we are going to lose our bodily comforts. But since most of the planet population is already suffering beyond measure, perhaps there will be justice in this as well. Perhaps people of Western civilization will get the chance to grow and test the "measure of their soul".

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Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

~ William Ernest Henley

 

[casper]

for Keith
A lie will never die out, it'll be just a little better disguised.
You're talking about physical comfort?
Those who do not feel comfortable in your body or do not feel part of his body or no piece of his body certainly will not fully agree with this statement.
W. E .Henley at the age of 12 years was diagnosed with tuberculosis and therefore lost his left leg, and then almost right.
Whether the lesson helped me become a better poet?
After reading the poems I ask myself whether we are masters of our fate or genes, the environment in which we live and the second FACTORS cause that's our destiny to be out of control ourselves?

 

[Alada]

Imagine this scenario: you do not have food and water, more money is not worth anything, extreme cold government, power failure, warm up to the last piece of wood, you are hungry and dirty ...
Hope?

Yes, this planet is so full of daily horrors and ever increasing pain, that using the word hope may appear as an insult. And it's probably true, that things will get much worse before they will have the chance to get better. But then, SOTT isn't exactly talking about this kind of hope.

Indeed. There’s far more too it than a simple hope/no hope argument I think. We should consider the thought that there are different forms of hope, each kind born of a different part within us. Same applies to faith, to love, as Gurdjieff so concisely put:

[quote author=Gurdjieff]
Conscious love evokes the same in response.
Emotional love evokes the opposite.
Physical love depends on type and polarity.

Faith of consciousness is freedom.
Faith of feeling is slavery.
Faith of body is stupidity.

Hope of consciousness is strength.
Hope of feeling is cowardice.
Hope of body is disease.[/quote]

 

[SeekinTruth]

Hope comes from knowing that in the overall scheme of things, everything proceeds as it should. All is balanced in the end. And on our planet, the mature Pathocracy will come to its natural conclusion like all mature pathocracies. That's what hope means for me. There is no way to continue the Pathocratic Empire. We will see that like any disease, that which didn't kill us, will make us stronger.

 

[Nienna]

Hope comes from knowing that in the overall scheme of things, everything proceeds as it should. All is balanced in the end. And on our planet, the mature Pathocracy will come to its natural conclusion like all mature pathocracies. That's what hope means for me. There is no way to continue the Pathocratic Empire. We will see that like any disease, that which didn't kill us, will make us stronger.

I was thinking of hope as what is bolded above in Seekin Truth's quote.

For me hope is right there next to faith. And the the way the dictionary describes faith, but how it is described in the Cassiopaea Glossary and that is not the same as "belief":

Belief is sometimes used as the opposite of 'faith.' Belief here means that one has firmly decided that the world is a certain way and holds fast to this view even in the face of evidence to the contrary. In essence, one is attempting to force one's model on the world. 'Faith' in this context implies an open and receptive attitude to the universe. Faith implies trust but does not imply an inflexible judgement on how things must be. Belief is in a sense controlling and scared of being wrong, while faith is adventurous and flexible.

And, also, the way that "hoping against hope" is defined by dictionary . com:

hope against hope, to continue to hope, although the outlook does not warrant it

Hope (and faith) that the Divine Cosmic Mind, or the Universe, knows what it is doing and everything is the way that it should be. Knowing that I am exactly where I need to be to learn the lessons I need to learn. Knowing that the Universe seeks balance, in order to be in balance in this purely STS world, a tipping point needs to be made so that everything will swing back into balance.

Also, to have no hope, means to me to just give up. Why do anything for any reason if there is no hope? And, as the Cs have said, we came to this world at this time so that we can learn our lessons. To just give up means that we will have to repeat those lessons we are supposed to be learning.

Yes, there are horrible, atrocious things happening on this world. But there are also good things; people are waking up to the fact of what is going on here; there are still kind and generous people doing things for others; and there is still beauty around.

 

[casper]

for Alade
Where could they be classified according to Gurdjieff hope for a better future, in the hope of awareness or hope feelings?
If the definition of consciousness totality of a psychic experience, which is then vigilance?
If you are strong stimulants environment, there is a disturbance of focus, and therefore interpretation is incorrect and incomplete.
How then to distinguish illusion from reality?
In severe effects (fear, anger) leads to a narrowing of consciousness.
Do we then speak of the hope for a better future in hope of feelings?


FOR Seekin Truth
It has been scientifically proven (M. Seery-lead author of the study) that it is true that what does not kill us makes us stronger, individual hardships increase the resistance and do not lead to functional damage.
There are also cases where we traumatic experiences can damage for life.
The point is to adapt.
Do your whole life consists in the fact that we have to adapt to someone that we would be better?


For Nienna
hope and faith is for me 2 different meaning

 

[unkl brws]

I've always thought of hope as an investment. Consciously or unconsciously we invest our hope into something. Be wary of where you invest it. To ignore the negative returns on your investment (in traditional structures of our civilisation ie. politics, religions, etc.) can and will cause you to lose your principal investment (hope). I feel that sense of hopelessness at a much more visceral level than ever this Jan. 1st. But I think hope and the strength that can be gained from it is found in knowledge and willingness to face objective reality as yesterday's Connecting the Dots article on Sott.net showed (http://www.sott.net/article/290771-Connecting-the-Dots-2014-Year-in-Review). To quote from the article "But throughout 2014 the peoples of the earth who suffered terribly under the psychopathic Western system continued to show that they'd learned the lesson of dealing with the machine. Whether in Latin America, South America, Russia, or China, the strategy of a patient escape began to bear fruit. And, aware of the machinations of the psychopaths in power, BRICS continued to show that they knew the game and could play it better than the psychos who thought they'd already won." Maybe 2015 can be the year of further developing the "strategy of a patient escape" (osit).

 

[casper]

for Bruce
From your presentation I see that you are in the stage of turning points in life.
Do you and this is not a sufficient indicator of how many people are divided, they have no understanding for each other, how much is actually difficult to find a person with a soul, how difficult it is to find something worth fighting for.
So much diversity, I'm glad you mention Sotto. articles and opinions to us in 2015 could be better.
Hope?

 

[obyvatel]

[quote author=Casper]
Where could they be classified according to Gurdjieff hope for a better future, in the hope of awareness or hope feelings?
If the definition of consciousness totality of a psychic experience, which is then vigilance?
If you are strong stimulants environment, there is a disturbance of focus, and therefore interpretation is incorrect and incomplete.
How then to distinguish illusion from reality?
In severe effects (fear, anger) leads to a narrowing of consciousness.
Do we then speak of the hope for a better future in hope of feelings?
[/quote]

Feelings are transitory, short-lived. When I feel really bad, I may see no hope, and everything is going to "hell". When I feel good, then everything would "smell like roses" and I see hope in everything. Both are illusions. If the feeling state becomes more permanent - as in a mood which colors everything we see, feel or think, then it becomes a deeper illusion.

Awareness helps us realize how we are feeling and how what we are feeling colors our thoughts about ourselves, others and the world. That brings us closer to reality. No one can have the level of awareness at all times to realize this - hence we rely on others to supply that view of awareness when we are caught in our feeling states or moods and cannot see it.


I think faith is related to the degree of understanding we have about the fundamental ways life/universe works - which includes ourselves and others. It is an experiential knowledge, not confined to theoretical concepts only, that provides faith. Like a skilled workman has faith in his tools - he knows his tools, what they can do and what they cannot do. When he starts a new project or tries to solve a problem, he uses this faith as the foundation. However, there is a need for hope as well. From scientific studies (non linear dynamics. chaos, quantum theory) as well as from common experience, we know that there is uncertainty inherent in life, perhaps built into the very fabric of the universe. The degree of uncertainty varies in different situations but it is there. So the workman embarks on his task with what he has (knowledge about the task, his tools and his abilities) but he cannot rationally be 100% certain that things will turn out as planned. There hope enters. Hope also can be more or less objective. If the workman takes the attitude which hopes that no matter what the outcome of the project, he will have learned something from it, he would be more objective in his outlook.

Similarly, when I am caught in a state of despair where everything seems bleak and whatever is said to me can be twisted into arguments which fuel the narrative that is driven by the feeling state, faith can come in from past knowledge that such states do not last forever. Hope could come in as an expectation of the future where I can learn something from this state and feel differently than what I am feeling now. With the help of faith coming from the past experience and hope for the future, I can relate appropriately to my current state in the present with love. OSIT

 

[whitecoast]

hope is for suckers.

I'll reply with a quote from Gurdjieff.

[quote Author=Gurdjieff]
Conscious hope is strength.
Emotional hope is cowardice.
Mechanical hope is disease.
[/quote]

When I try to act to make the world a better place for us all, I must believe deep down that my actions will have an effect even if only slightly. A mind cannot function on the premise of its own impotence. If you do not believe that you can accomplish something deep down, your brain will devote no resources to accomplishing that goal. There is hope because the more the sleepers are squeezed the more chances they will have to wake up. The only thing that does not have cause for hope in such a case is the predator, because it surrounds itself with mechanical and emotional hopes. Conscious hope is tailored to rouse the strength of the mind and body to accomplish a task, without skewing actual perception of reality.

Your feathers really seemed to have been ruffled by the use of the word hope. I hope the explanation of how useful hope is in a conscious sense.