Hostage to the Devil, Malachi Martin/Glimpses of the Devil ,Scott Peck

findit

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I read Malachi Martin's book which was a fascinating read and in complete contrast to reading William Baldwin's material. While I haven't finished "Spirit Release Treatment," I did read his other book "Healing Lost Souls." Of course he is dealing with dark entities while dealing with people in a hypnotic trance. I find this topic informative since there isn't much said about it. I certainly get the impression from William Baldwin that these kinds of dark entities and attachments are more common than we think. These days just going to the book store and seeing current art seems like dark and gothic is in which makes me wonder. I have a female friend with these paranoid delusions that she is constantly being followed and I keep wondering where that is coming from.
 

Cyre2067

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Laura said:
EGVG said:
Just started to read this book, it's so scary!!! Just by looking at the cover, you know your getting into something really really horrific! Still, I'll continue to read... :/
This is not light reading. I don't recommend it to anyone who lacks really good spiritual defenses which means a LOT of knowledge.
Well now I'm curious, my knowledge related to psychopathy and emotional manipulation ploys is pretty solid. My guess is a lot of that will be useful when confronting bigger bads sotospeak. I've got the EE down to once a week, sometimes twice if there's a potluck or class going on, and my diet's almost totally optimized for ye olde ketosis complete with tons of grass-fed wild-caught meat and fat. *Hat tip to Anart for recommending Primal Body/Primal Mind as it is the best summary/evolution of our own research that I've seen collected thus far.

I can certainly put it on the bottom of my to-read queue, but I'm wondering what would be considered 'a LOT of knowledge'.
 

Gimpy

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Puck said:
Laura said:
EGVG said:
Just started to read this book, it's so scary!!! Just by looking at the cover, you know your getting into something really really horrific! Still, I'll continue to read... :/
This is not light reading. I don't recommend it to anyone who lacks really good spiritual defenses which means a LOT of knowledge.
Well now I'm curious, my knowledge related to psychopathy and emotional manipulation ploys is pretty solid. My guess is a lot of that will be useful when confronting bigger bads sotospeak. I've got the EE down to once a week, sometimes twice if there's a potluck or class going on, and my diet's almost totally optimized for ye olde ketosis complete with tons of grass-fed wild-caught meat and fat. *Hat tip to Anart for recommending Primal Body/Primal Mind as it is the best summary/evolution of our own research that I've seen collected thus far.

I can certainly put it on the bottom of my to-read queue, but I'm wondering what would be considered 'a LOT of knowledge'.

Puck, its like this: reading that book when not ready for it is the same as walking into a fire fight with hardened marines...and the marines are the ones shooting at you.

Put it away for a while, and ask the group at a later time if they think you're ready? That's my best guess on it.
 

Muxel

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I read the first few stories of Hostage to the Devil after Laura "recommended" it in the podcast. It reads like a bad horror/pornographic/exploitation movie. Puck, you're better off reading Twilight. The only thing that scared me was the priests' ignorance of hyperdimensional realities (+ psychopathology) and their fumbling attempts to explain everything within a medieval monotheistic pathological Christian framework. Is it any wonder they all have nervous breakdowns at the end of each story?

I think the Lizzies commissioned Hostage to the Devil as a form of attack against the unsuspecting reader who lacks the knowledge which protects.
 

Cyre2067

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Gimpy said:
Puck, its like this: reading that book when not ready for it is the same as walking into a fire fight with hardened marines...and the marines are the ones shooting at you.

Put it away for a while, and ask the group at a later time if they think you're ready? That's my best guess on it.
Well that's basically what I was asking for, what's the prerequisite line of study... I have a lot in my to-read pile so it's not that big a deal for me to put it off, but now that I'm getting the 'don't read it' message the first thing my brain thinks is 'read it'. I don't have to act on that impulse, but it's there nonetheless.

I also want to get certified in hypnosis this spring, and I figured SRT could be another thing to add to my repertoire. I'll get and go through Baldwin's stuff first, and I'm totally open to feedback.
 

Cyre2067

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Muxel said:
Puck, you're better off reading Twilight.
Too late.... already have... all of them :-[

Muxel said:
The only thing that scared me was the priests' ignorance of hyperdimensional realities (+ psychopathology) and their fumbling attempts to explain everything within a medieval monotheistic pathological Christian framework. Is it any wonder they all have nervous breakdowns at the end of each story?

I think the Lizzies commissioned Hostage to the Devil as a form of attack against the unsuspecting reader who lacks the knowledge which protects.
...that's my point, we know about these things, so learning more about how they've affect people and how you can fight them is a bonus, no?

I get the point that there's some prerequisites, I'm just wondering what they are.
 

truth seeker

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For what it's worth, I'd say a good part of the key lies with understanding oneself. If we have difficulty in dealing with the predators of others and that is usually a reflection of our own predators (nevermind psychopaths), imagine the challenge of dealing with these entities.

I'd also say that if one is moved to read the book because of ego related issues, they're already lunch.

Muxel said:
I read the first few stories of Hostage to the Devil after Laura "recommended" it in the podcast. It reads like a bad horror/pornographic/exploitation movie. Puck, you're better off reading Twilight. The only thing that scared me was the priests' ignorance of hyperdimensional realities (+ psychopathology) and their fumbling attempts to explain everything within a medieval monotheistic pathological Christian framework. Is it any wonder they all have nervous breakdowns at the end of each story?

I think the Lizzies commissioned Hostage to the Devil as a form of attack against the unsuspecting reader who lacks the knowledge which protects.
My current understanding is that while the 'pathological Christian framework' can definitely be used as an opening, lack of knowledge of oneself - one's understanding of how they can be manipulated through ego.

The main cause for the breakdowns most likely stems not only from their particular 'framework' but because one cannot make such a journey without being profoundly changed in some way. To compare this book with Twilight is a bit irresponsible and can be harmful to others.

I think it's crucial to take heed of the quote earlier in this thread:

Laura said:
I'm not joking when I say it took a full 6 months to recover. It was as though the act of will that rose up inside me at the moment of expulsion had to make a sort of "trade" of energy, and I lost something inside. It was like chunks of me were torn away.
My thoughts.
 

obyvatel

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Puck said:
I have a lot in my to-read pile so it's not that big a deal for me to put it off, but now that I'm getting the 'don't read it' message the first thing my brain thinks is 'read it'. I don't have to act on that impulse, but it's there nonetheless.
Yes, this is a common reaction and it is good that you caught that. As truth seeker said here

truth seeker said:
I'd also say that if one is moved to read the book because of ego related issues, they're already lunch.
When we are told we may not be ready for something, self-importance raises its head.

Puck said:
I also want to get certified in hypnosis this spring, and I figured SRT could be another thing to add to my repertoire. I'll get and go through Baldwin's stuff first, and I'm totally open to feedback.
[quote author=Puck]
we know about these things, so learning more about how they've affect people and how you can fight them is a bonus, no?
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I do not have any practical experience in hypnosis or SRT - so take my input fwiw.

First, it may be worthwhile to ask yourself why you want to do SRT ? Is trying to help others all there is to it or is there something else that is driving this impulse? The "fight" that one is involved in regular 3D affairs can be taxing enough - and there is a lot to do.

Fighting spirits was traditionally a job entrusted to hardened shamans who honed their skills under teachers who practiced the same skills. And as you already know from the Wave series, shamans were the ones who were called to their vocation. One did not usually choose to be a shaman - and those who did suffered undesirable consequences.

Today, we have the benefit of books which can lead to more information about topics that interest us. But regarding topics like spirit release, books can only go so far. Even if you find someone who is willing to teach you this stuff, you need to be sceptical regarding his abilities in this area. Very few on 3D earth can perhaps claim to be knowledgable about affairs of the spirit. Some have to do what needs to be done - but the problem is that many would think they have what it takes to delve into such affairs purely on the basis of self-importance. And the prevalent new age culture has turned such affairs into an experience-seeking activity.

I do not know if self-importance and "experience-seeking" is driving your machine in this regard with the surface reason being seeking knowledge and fighting STS , but it may be useful to look into the possibility - since the decision to go into this area is not one to be taken lightly.
 

Muxel

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Thank you truth seeker and obyvatel for your insights.

One way to describe my experience of reading Hostage to the Devil is: I was "possessed" by it, and had to "exorcize" myself.

Take for example the girl who reasoned that pushing the bounds of perversity (through acts like sodomy and taking a crap in the sandwiches her mom made her) was "right" because it honored the Universe's "balance". I had to stop reading and wage internal battle with this "predator's mindset". I "won" the battle and realized that the girl was incorrect and just nuts, but not without considerable mental/spiritual effort and introspection.

Puck, if you ever read Hostage to the Devil, my advice is to approach it as you would a piece of COINTELPRO disinformation.
C's] [url=http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/denver.htm]A: In her case said:
To compare this book with Twilight is a bit irresponsible and can be harmful to others.
Yea that was rather flippant on my part...

truth seeker said:
I think it's crucial to take heed of the quote earlier in this thread:

Laura said:
I'm not joking when I say it took a full 6 months to recover. It was as though the act of will that rose up inside me at the moment of expulsion had to make a sort of "trade" of energy, and I lost something inside. It was like chunks of me were torn away.
Seems like the cost of doing battle with STS is the depolarization of one's STOness...?
Which corroborates what Ra said:
[quote author=Ra]
In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation armed with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.
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I am so glad I saw the warning not to read this book yet. I've owned it for more than two years now, but hadn't opened it yet. Thankful for this.
 

Aeneas

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ReBecca.S said:
I am so glad I saw the warning not to read this book yet. I've owned it for more than two years now, but hadn't opened it yet. Thankful for this.
Ditto. I have had the book on the shelf for a couple of years too, but have not felt in the least way attracted to it. Perhaps some kind of internal warning system have prevented me. Now I will concentrate on the other books on the reading list.
 

Laura

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It's a useful book for the person who trusts their own thinking too much.
 

paralleloscope

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Laura said:
It's a useful book for the person who trusts their own thinking too much.
Just to make sure. When you say "too much", I assume you mean one has proven to self being of good discernment?
 
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