How to get out alive

[Peam]

paxvitae said -escape from the matrix and go to the 4th density
in that way it sounds to simular to saying you can die and go to heaven .

If someone was to escape from abu-grahib prison, is that similar to dying and going to heaven to you?

and people on this site refer to being that feed on human (example below)that sound like the devil and demons to me.

We feed on animals and veg, so does that sound like we are devils and demons to you?

and learning enough to go to 4th density sounds to me like being good enough to go to heaven.

What do you mean by good enough? Goody goody, or learned enough? If you learnt all the lessons in 3rd grade at school you wouldn't fit there any longer would you?

its like saying they feed apon your soul that sound afoully like religion to me
they are just a few quick of the top of my head examples for you.

Even just thinking about this level, when someone winds you up and you feel dispair or get angry, don't you feel an energy drain or something? Would you like to learn how to stop that energy drain? What's the difference if a higher dimensional being is doing it through your tormentor?

 

[Cyre2067]

Wow, It seems this thread as well as two other's i've read today are creating alot of noise.

specifically, this one http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3313 entitled, Self Analysis

and this one, http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3080&p=1 entitled, DNA and Souls.

Basically im defining "noise" as active ignorance, people asking questions which could be easily answered by reading the material or simply arguing for the sake of argument.

Just noticed the spike in the noise level and wanted to point it out.

::points::

 

[immortalphoenix]

my spelling being rushed meant i did not have time list night to properly write it.

it is possiable to die in prison and go to heaven if you believe in that stuff - born again christians for example

wouldn't be fit enough to remain here on earth i like you to remember stories of people like jesus and the buhdda ect. they stayed for some time
if you learnt all the lessons of third grade would you not try and help others there first before you leave.

eating on meats and vegetables makes us sound like animals not demons becauses it is of a physical nature not a spiritual one
and explain to me how a physical aliens being can physically survie on a non-physical(not-matter) source of food/energy

feeling tired after getting angry is natural you use a large amount of chemials and brain activity
your heart beats faster and your blood pressure rises and your muscles tighten up to be ready to fight if need be

i do not what gaurantees i was just making a comment based on my observations here on the people on this site

 

[anart]

it is possiable to die in prison and go to heaven if you believe in that stuff - born again christians for example

What in the world are you talking about?? Do you have proof that this 'going to heaven' is possible?

wouldn't be fit enough to remain here on earth i like you to remember stories of people like jesus and the buhdda ect. they stayed for some time
if you learnt all the lessons of third grade would you not try and help others there first before you leave.

What in the world are you talking about?? Have you read any of the material available on our associated sites? If not, please do so before continuing to post such distracting and unclear posts.

eating on meats and vegetables makes us sound like animals not demons becauses it is of a physical nature not a spiritual one and explain to me how a physical aliens being can physically survie on a non-physical(not-matter) source of food/energy

What in the world are you talking about?? Who ever said that these hypothesized 'aliens' were physical? Have you read any of the material available on our associated sites? If not, please do so before continuing to post such distracting and unclear posts.

feeling tired after getting angry is natural you use a large amount of chemials and brain activityyour heart beats faster and your blood pressure rises and your muscles tighten up to be ready to fight if need be i do not what gaurantees i was just making a comment based on my observations here on the people on this site

Have you read any of the material available on our associated sites? If not, please do so before continuing to post such distracting and unclear posts.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Nina - My understanding is that graduating to 4D as an STS candidate is difficult because it requires being negatively polarized to a much a higher degree than an STO candidate

Hhhhmmmm.... This is an interesting understanding, although a little different than my own.

My thought has been this, 'graduating' to 4D as an STO candidate would be much more difficult, because after all we are already STS and in an STS realm. Switching from STS to STO I thought would be much more difficult than just following the path you are already on osit. In order to become STO you actually have to make an effort, whereas in you are already STS and very susceptible to STS programming since you are in an STS realm.

In general I think working in an STS network is much easier for us-because we are by nature STS. But working to find and achieve an STO network is much more difficult osit.

Also, on another note-immortalphoenix,
Your responses have been very uninformative and full of assumptions. This makes me think that you have not read any of the written material available on the Cass websites. Books such as the Wave, Secret History, etc.. Or if you have read them, you are not really 'getting it' at all. If this is the case, please maybe re-read the material and present the group your inquiries which we will be happy to help you understand.

Thank you

Nina

 

[Jacques]

My understanding is in the same way that moonwalker.

I have not find it yet but i am pretty sure to have read something from the C's saying to graduate to 4d STS you have to be 90% STS candidate in 3d but to graduate to 4d STO you have to be 50% STO candidate in 3d.

As soon as i found the article, i will post the link or if anyone else know where to find it, please let's us know.

But what happen to all the others, those who are not STO candidate at 50% or STS candidate at 90%? Are-they going to stay in the 3d?

 

[dhess31]

For what it is worth, "The Law of One" channelings have the same ratio in them.

Don

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

i think it does take a leap of faith because [it] assumes that [theirs] is a kind of "spirit world" that science cannot prove exists not can anyone here prove it exist i have not even hear of a scientific theory that remotely sound like this as far as i can recall

Well, whether or not one can prove the spirit world is debatable. All you have to do is search the internet, and you will find numerous very intelligent websites which are devoted to the study of ghosts, apparitions, death-bed visions, near-death phenomena, etc. The list goes on and on. The websites I am talking about are not your sensationalist, anecdotal reports, but rather those which contain quite scientific, objective material, very often conducted by proper scientists themselves. I won't list these sites now (although I easily could), because I think it is up to each individual to come by them on their own, and judge for themselves whether or not they are valid. Many of these sites devote as much energy to uncovering the truth about the so-called "afterlife" as the energy devoted on this site for uncovering a far greater truth (which explains why I have now moved beyond sites about the afterlife to sites like Signs of the Times). That said, all the high quality material I have read about the "afterlife" has convinced me that there are indeed other levels of reality out there, whether they really are "afterlife" ones or not. If those levels of reality that "afterlife visitors" or "dead dudes" claim to come from are indeed those of the "afterlife", then it certainly raises a whole new set of questions in my mind that I would like to answer (and which I will be posting at some time in the near future).

As for scientific theories, well I argue that there are indeed scientific theories out there which do come close to proof of the "spirit world". All you have to do is study quantum physics alone to get an idea that there is far more in the universe than meets the eye. The many-worlds theory, in addition to Einstein's admission of the necessity for a tangible, higher dimension, come awfully close to proof of some higher and/or alternative levels of existence. I once read a paper by an MSc graduate who tried to understand the nature of the spirit world by simply adjusting some of the constants in various quantum mechanical equations (such as the distance between the nucleus and the electrons of an atom in a higher dimension). It has been some years since I read papers like this, but they are out there, and they are written by quite credible people, but sadly they don't get much attention, for obvious reasons, one of which Moonwalker summed up well, if you take "science" to mean "mainstream science":

Science as it is now wouldn't go near proving consciousness and even if anything was proven it would either be suppressed, ignored and refuted with opposing "science". It's just TOO much of a paradigm shift for most people to believe that we are units of consciousness that exist not only in multi dimensions but in multiple densities perhaps even simultaneously.

After doing a lot of research into the varies studies of the survival of consciousness after death, it is certain that such studies have been suppressed, ridiculed and basically given a similar treatment to that of the kind of information that Laura and others like her have uncovered. If you want some understanding on the history of so-called survivalist research and experimentation, and where it is currently at, I suggest you read the article located here. It really is worth reading, whether you agree with everything there or not.

 

[Ben]

Well, whether or not one can prove the spirit world is debatable. All you have to do is search the internet, and you will find numerous very intelligent websites which are devoted to the study of ghosts, apparitions, death-bed visions, near-death phenomena, etc. The list goes on and on. The websites I am talking about are not your sensationalist, anecdotal reports, but rather those which contain quite scientific, objective material, very often conducted by proper scientists themselves. I won't list these sites now (although I easily could), because I think it is up to each individual to come by them on their own, and judge for themselves whether or not they are valid. Many of these sites devote as much energy to uncovering the truth about the so-called "afterlife" as the energy devoted on this site for uncovering a far greater truth (which explains why I have now moved beyond sites about the afterlife to sites like Signs of the Times). That said, all the high quality material I have read about the "afterlife" has convinced me that there are indeed other levels of reality out there, whether they really are "afterlife" ones or not. If those levels of reality that "afterlife visitors" or "dead dudes" claim to come from are indeed those of the "afterlife", then it certainly raises a whole new set of questions in my mind that I would like to answer (and which I will be posting at some time in the near future).

This is the 'dilemma' which the author of the book I have just read (T.C. Lethbridge - The Power of the Pendulum) is concerned with. I highly recommend this author, as Laura does in SHOTW, if one is looking for the approach of an incredibly open minded yet thorouhgly scientific researcher. Lethbridge understood in his time the failure of the scientific community to understand and adapt to the evidence which was uncovered before their very eyes.

 

[Rhansen]

All you have to do is study quantum physics alone to get an idea that there is far more in the universe than meets the eye.

That reminds me of one of my favorite passages from The Wave -- http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13i.htm

In 1966, a man named John Stewart Bell, a theoretical physicist constructed a proof which has since become known as "Bell's Theorem." [Reprinted in Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics] This theorem tells us that, if quantum theory is correct, reality must be non-local. That is to say, anything happening anywhere whatsoever in the universe, can, instantaneously affect everything else everywhere else in the universe. He demonstrated that, if we take the lesson of the quantum theory seriously, an atom's measured attributes are determined not just by events happening at the actual site of being, but by all events occurring in the entire universe simultaneously and instantly!
Notice the key word above - instantaneous. This means "superluminal" or faster than the speed of light. But, assuming that no signal can travel faster than the speed of light, this must mean that there is no actual distance separating events. Bell's theorem can be interpreted as demonstrating the idea that all that exists -- past, present, and future -- should be combined into a single entity whose farthest parts are joined in an immediate manner. In other words, the world we perceive - the stars and planets; the land and seas; the trees, animals, buildings, people - are all manifestations of a single unmitigated process.

But, we are three-dimensional, are we not? Aren't the table, the chair, the dog and the steak we had for dinner solid objects with length, depth, height and existence in time? What exactly are these objects we perceive as existing solidly in space for varying periods of time? What is the space we define as separating the objects? How are they connected in time? If physics seems to indicate to us that All is One, then what is it - what characteristic do we possess - that separates us from this deeper reality? And, what is the true nature of this reality?
Space, as we perceive it, has only three dimensions; length, width, and height. We define this condition as three independent directions - that is, each measurement lies at right angles to the others simultaneously. But, again, if we take quantum theory seriously, then "our" space is merely an aspect of another space, possibly of infinite number of dimensions.
If space is infinite, then it must possess an infinite number of lines perpendicular and not parallel to one another. Is infinity, then, a foolishness and does space necessarily have a limit? If it does have a limit, in what space does our space exist?
Now, if space does possess an infinite number of lines perpendicular to one another, then we must ask why we can only perceive three. If we exist in a condition of mind that perceives only three dimensions, this can mean that the properties of space are created - or differentiated - by certain attributes within us. For some reason or another, the Whole is inaccessible to us.