I always feel a need to teach what I just learned

[agni]

Hi Dingo,

You are not the only one who have these issue, thank you for bringing it up !

I would like to share some thoughts in regards to this "teaching program". I am doing observation of this program, what anart has suggested to you, where one holds & contains self when urge arises.

First I get a feeling of self-satisfaction of ability to contain self. (yeah, I know very beneficial to know. *sarcasm*)

Other observation, it feels as if almost this something learned tries to escape or release itself. (as others mentioned)

It's a funny feeling that arises when you consciously take an effort not to share, to observe some other part of self in motion, that has unbelievable drive / impulse to share; meaning if it's not conscious I, who's drive to share this is, really ? (as others mentioned as well)

And thing I do not like to personally admit & not quite so apparent, under closer look it appears to be continuation of "free lunch attitude", meaning covert attempt to transfer responsibility or weight of such knowledge, in a sense expectation/hope of someone to act on it instead of self or see others inability to use the "knowledge" as an excuse for self to do the same (pack mentality?). Which all comes down to offloading the weight of knowledge on someone else back.

So, I think, when one does release inner fire/friction (especially when it comes to something learned), one unknowingly robs self from quite usable inner fuel.

I am sure it's not all there is to "sharing knowledge" though. Just 2 cents.

 

[davey72]

And thing I do not like to personally admit & not quite so apparent, under closer look it appears to be continuation of "free lunch attitude", meaning covert attempt to transfer responsibility or weight of such knowledge, in a sense expectation/hope of someone to act on it instead of self or see others inability to use the "knowledge" as an excuse for self to do the same (pack mentality?). Which all comes down to offloading the weight of knowledge on someone else back.

So, I think, when one does release inner fire/friction (especially when it comes to something learned), one unknowingly robs self from quite usable inner fuel.

I am sure it's not all there is to "sharing knowledge" though. Just 2 cents.

Thank you for your 2 cents, Agni, and others. You have put into words the feelings in myself that i am trying to figure out.

Mod's note: Edited to fix the quotation boxes

 

[Leo40]

There is to me a natural enthusiasm when learning something new to share it.
It depends who you share it with and of course on the subject matter, i.e. what you
learned. Sharing with friends may be ok. because they know you and your
interests.
If one is carried away by enthusiasm it leads to preaching which most reject.
As I mentioned in another thread I personally use the "fishing" method.
This simply means I use certain words or phrases as "bait" and when nobody
"bites" that is ok. When somebody picks up on it then I can explain
because the person asked for it.

 

[tridean]

First I get a feeling of self-satisfaction of ability to contain self. (yeah, I know very beneficial to know. *sarcasm*)

Yep, I was getting that at first but it has gone now

Hi Dingo,

You are not the only one who have these issue, thank you for bringing it up !

I would like to share some thoughts in regards to this "teaching program". I am doing observation of this program, what anart has suggested to you, where one holds & contains self when urge arises.

First I get a feeling of self-satisfaction of ability to contain self. (yeah, I know very beneficial to know. *sarcasm*)

Other observation, it feels as if almost this something learned tries to escape or release itself. (as others mentioned)

It's a funny feeling that arises when you consciously take an effort not to share, to observe some other part of self in motion, that has unbelievable drive / impulse to share; meaning if it's not conscious I, who's drive to share this is, really ? (as others mentioned as well)

And thing I do not like to personally admit & not quite so apparent, under closer look it appears to be continuation of "free lunch attitude", meaning covert attempt to transfer responsibility or weight of such knowledge, in a sense expectation/hope of someone to act on it instead of self or see others inability to use the "knowledge" as an excuse for self to do the same (pack mentality?). Which all comes down to offloading the weight of knowledge on someone else back.

So, I think, when one does release inner fire/friction (especially when it comes to something learned), one unknowingly robs self from quite usable inner fuel.

I am sure it's not all there is to "sharing knowledge" though. Just 2 cents.

I actually had an insightful moment yesterday. I was in one of my customary criticism episodes, where someone had done something, and I went into one of my normal inner dialogues with this person, which is what I always do, and for the most part since being aware of it, I'd get all angry or depressed at myself for having this useless argument with this person in my head, but yesterday I didn't get emotional, and almost as if objectively, I've said to myself, "my your a persistent program", and I stunned myself, simply because my response seemed more objective than subjective (at least I thought so) and then wham, before I knew it I was in the other program (the one in question in this thread), and in my mind I was sitting in front of friends explaining the difference between objectivity and subjectivity using "speed cameras" and "how subjectivity makes one choose either side of the debate", and I'm all of a sudden realizing that the sneaky predator had almost baited me. I was able to stop my inner rant to my friends before a few seconds had passed which was good!

I immediately wrote this down in my journal.

 

[Seamus]

I persoanlly have also experienced this Dingo. There is even an old saying- " You teach best what you most need to learn” So it seems to be a pretty common things since it has its own saying, lol.

I don't think that is the dynamic at play here, because Dingo will not learn anything by immediately sharing knowledge he has discovered.

Dingo, what seems to be at play here is a lack of internal control, though it's not that simple. It's rather a complicated situation, because it involves incorporating knowledge into one's being versus spreading pearls before swine. When we are exposed to new Truths, we often, mechanically, desire to share these truths with others for social verification of them, and ourselves, and as a bit of an internal 'release' of the energy that accumulates internally with this new information. Rather than taking that energy and using it to 'seat' the knowledge inside ourselves, we mechanically look for a 'release' of the energy, manifested in 'telling others' to get their reactions either to the information or to our possession of the information.

That's a rather simplified explanation, but - long story short - next time you get the urge to immediately 'share' the knowledge, work to hold it - and notice what that feels like and what happens when you do that. It's worth a try and you might find it quite illuminating. fwiw.

I am questioning how to apply this concept, I'm not sure I really understand. Since I read this post I've noticed the need for "release of the energy that accumulates internally with new information" when I learn something or make a new connection. This explanation is really helpful I think because it exposes the mechanism behind the constant need to "teach", "share", or "impart knowledge". It helps me to know what to look for, if that makes sense. There seems to be two "roles" or programs in myself that relate to this, one that wants to "teach" and impart knowledge on others, and another part that doesn't want to do any work and just wants "the answer" given so that it can be passed on.

What I am having trouble with is knowing when to apply it. This process of letting the energy settle or 'seat' itself, is this the process of developing real understanding? Does sharing or asking for clarification here on the forum constitute "sharing" or "teaching"? Or is it only if I share something "right away" and give in to that urge? If I repost a SoTT news story on FaceBook, is this the same thing? Does it depend on whether the news story creates a completely new connection, vs being about something that is already understand thoroughly? Or should I simply work to fight all urges to share information or give someone the answer as I understand it, in every context? I think this makes sense to me in the context of "taking that energy and using it to 'seat' the knowledge inside ourselves".

I don't expect anyone to "give me the answer" to these questions, I'm trying to share my thought process. Any feedback would be welcome.

 

[anart]

I am questioning how to apply this concept, I'm not sure I really understand. Since I read this post I've noticed the need for "release of the energy that accumulates internally with new information" when I learn something or make a new connection. This explanation is really helpful I think because it exposes the mechanism behind the constant need to "teach", "share", or "impart knowledge". It helps me to know what to look for, if that makes sense. There seems to be two "roles" or programs in myself that relate to this, one that wants to "teach" and impart knowledge on others, and another part that doesn't want to do any work and just wants "the answer" given so that it can be passed on.

What I am having trouble with is knowing when to apply it. This process of letting the energy settle or 'seat' itself, is this the process of developing real understanding? Does sharing or asking for clarification here on the forum constitute "sharing" or "teaching"? Or is it only if I share something "right away" and give in to that urge? If I repost a SoTT news story on FaceBook, is this the same thing? Does it depend on whether the news story creates a completely new connection, vs being about something that is already understand thoroughly? Or should I simply work to fight all urges to share information or give someone the answer as I understand it, in every context? I think this makes sense to me in the context of "taking that energy and using it to 'seat' the knowledge inside ourselves".

I don't expect anyone to "give me the answer" to these questions, I'm trying to share my thought process. Any feedback would be welcome.

It sounds like you might be over-thinking things a bit. It comes down to the energy behind what you are doing - the 'flavor' of it. Are you sharing things because you 'have to' - it's an urgent need, an instant drive that you're just now learning to question - or - are you simply sharing things to spread information (and 'you' are not part of the equation)?

I'm not sure if that is very clear, though. In order to really tell if you're releasing energy better spent on 'seating' knowledge, you need to begin to clearly see your own motivations. You need to be able to begin to see if it's a mechanical behavior, or if you are consciously passing on information to the benefit of others, without that 'need' to - again, it's the 'flavor' of it.

I could make a blanket statement that sharing an article on facebook is not a manifestation of mechanical release of internal energy. I would think that, in most cases, it is not. If we all waited until we fully understood things to share them, there would be no forum - so that was not my point at all.

My point was that when we share things mechanically (and especially when we do so with people who are not asking and who cannot hear us), we tend to do it to release inner tension of some sort - an inner tension/energy that would be much better utilized to 'seat' that knowledge within.

So, perhaps continuing to pay really close attention to the 'why' you are doing things is the key. Recall that 'flavor' of when you used to 'need to teach what you just learned' - and look for it in all of your actions. Not sure if that helps at all, but, fwiw.

 

[jhonny]

Dingo, I do not know if you've read "Meetings With Remarkable Men," because this issue made me remember the episode when Gurdjieff talks to the priest Giovanni( chapt. 10 teacher Skridlov)
This dialogue is very convenient to read it to understand why you can not teach others what you have experienced because they have their own experiences and other people learn differently, not necessarily they have to learn what you teach them

 

[davey72]

It sounds like you might be over-thinking things a bit. It comes down to the energy behind what you are doing - the 'flavor' of it. Are you sharing things because you 'have to' - it's an urgent need, an instant drive that you're just now learning to question - or - are you simply sharing things to spread information (and 'you' are not part of the equation)?

I'm not sure if that is very clear, though. In order to really tell if you're releasing energy better spent on 'seating' knowledge, you need to begin to clearly see your own motivations. You need to be able to begin to see if it's a mechanical behavior, or if you are consciously passing on information to the benefit of others, without that 'need' to - again, it's the 'flavor' of it.

I could make a blanket statement that sharing an article on facebook is not a manifestation of mechanical release of internal energy. I would think that, in most cases, it is not. If we all waited until we fully understood things to share them, there would be no forum - so that was not my point at all.

My point was that when we share things mechanically (and especially when we do so with people who are not asking and who cannot hear us), we tend to do it to release inner tension of some sort - an inner tension/energy that would be much better utilized to 'seat' that knowledge within.

So, perhaps continuing to pay really close attention to the 'why' you are doing things is the key. Recall that 'flavor' of when you used to 'need to teach what you just learned' - and look for it in all of your actions. Not sure if that helps at all, but, fwiw.

Personally, anart, that helps tremendously.

Edit=fixed quote

 

[Seamus]

I am questioning how to apply this concept, I'm not sure I really understand. Since I read this post I've noticed the need for "release of the energy that accumulates internally with new information" when I learn something or make a new connection. This explanation is really helpful I think because it exposes the mechanism behind the constant need to "teach", "share", or "impart knowledge". It helps me to know what to look for, if that makes sense. There seems to be two "roles" or programs in myself that relate to this, one that wants to "teach" and impart knowledge on others, and another part that doesn't want to do any work and just wants "the answer" given so that it can be passed on.

What I am having trouble with is knowing when to apply it. This process of letting the energy settle or 'seat' itself, is this the process of developing real understanding? Does sharing or asking for clarification here on the forum constitute "sharing" or "teaching"? Or is it only if I share something "right away" and give in to that urge? If I repost a SoTT news story on FaceBook, is this the same thing? Does it depend on whether the news story creates a completely new connection, vs being about something that is already understand thoroughly? Or should I simply work to fight all urges to share information or give someone the answer as I understand it, in every context? I think this makes sense to me in the context of "taking that energy and using it to 'seat' the knowledge inside ourselves".

I don't expect anyone to "give me the answer" to these questions, I'm trying to share my thought process. Any feedback would be welcome.

It sounds like you might be over-thinking things a bit. It comes down to the energy behind what you are doing - the 'flavor' of it. Are you sharing things because you 'have to' - it's an urgent need, an instant drive that you're just now learning to question - or - are you simply sharing things to spread information (and 'you' are not part of the equation)?

I'm not sure if that is very clear, though. In order to really tell if you're releasing energy better spent on 'seating' knowledge, you need to begin to clearly see your own motivations. You need to be able to begin to see if it's a mechanical behavior, or if you are consciously passing on information to the benefit of others, without that 'need' to - again, it's the 'flavor' of it.

I could make a blanket statement that sharing an article on facebook is not a manifestation of mechanical release of internal energy. I would think that, in most cases, it is not. If we all waited until we fully understood things to share them, there would be no forum - so that was not my point at all.

My point was that when we share things mechanically (and especially when we do so with people who are not asking and who cannot hear us), we tend to do it to release inner tension of some sort - an inner tension/energy that would be much better utilized to 'seat' that knowledge within.

So, perhaps continuing to pay really close attention to the 'why' you are doing things is the key. Recall that 'flavor' of when you used to 'need to teach what you just learned' - and look for it in all of your actions. Not sure if that helps at all, but, fwiw.

Yes, that is helpful. You're right, I tend to over think things in general. "Flavor" seems like a good word to describe this. Are other mechanical actions driven by a similar need to release inner tension? I get the sense that they might be, that the "flavor" will be similar.