ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?

Within the realm of possibility . . .



Possible yes, but I wonder if it is even necessary at this point? It looks like we are seeing the pendulum swing to the right and Israel-ification of USA that many on this forum predicted 2+ years ago. The incidents look more cosmically planned than they do human planned, in an "all is lessons" sense.

The first Minnesota incident was a bit ambiguous, and although I strongly sided against the agent, I can see now the other perspective. This recent incident seems more clear cut, to the point where a huge number of MAGA voices, in order to maintain their stance, are being forced to blatantly lie that the man was pointing a gun.

I could understand if their stance was simply that mistakes happen, this is going to be a messy business but it's worth it in the end to get the illegals out. Instead of saying this, they appear to be making things up, and it's concerning. Many of these are people who saw through the green agenda, the covid scam, and much more. Things may truly be about to get stranger than we can imagine.
 
And then we have this:

Schumer Announces Senate Democrats Will Block DHS Funding Bill Over Minneapolis Shooting
In a move that could trigger a partial government shutdown, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer declared that Democrats will not provide the votes needed to advance a key appropriations bill if it includes funding for the Department of Homeland Security.

To advance the legislation, Republicans will likely need eight Democrats to vote for the legislation, since Sen. Rand Paul has generally voted against appropriations bills. If the funding package does not pass the Senate, there will be another partial government shutdown.

This article has this ending note:
Pretti had confronted agents in the midst of an operation with a loaded gun and two magazines.

Never mind the loaded gun and two magazines were on his person and not whipped out to threaten agents and his only "confrontation" was to try and defend fellow female protestors being aggressively abused by ICE.
 
Family of Alex Pretti, the Armed Man Shot by Federal Agents in Minneapolis, Calls Trump Admins Claims About His Actions Sickening and Reprehensible

In their statement to CNN, posted on X by Brian Stelter, the Pretti family wrote:

“We are heartbroken but also very angry.

Alex was a kindhearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately he will not be with us to see his impact. I do not throw around the hero term lightly. However his last thought and act was to protect a woman.

The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump’s murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He has his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down all while being pepper sprayed.

Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank you.”

The BS narrative:
Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino has said that Pretti was at the scene with the intention of massacring ICE agents.

“The suspect also had two loaded magazines and no accessible ID. This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement,” Bovino said.

Disgusting, shameless, and unhinged. If this is the mindset of the ICE agents, then is it any surprise they have no problem shooting someone nine times! :curse:
 
All of the above will result in chaotic encounters that often end badly (there are still more things below that contribute to this). In fact, this year alone there have been 50 cases of windows broken by officers who often use a kind of pickaxe suitable for this task. This makes me think that at a level Within ICE, there is a general spirit that encourages aggressiveness and inflexibility toward migrants, and at the same time, there is a lack of critical scrutiny of agent actions. These agents often seem to operate constantly on the edge of the law, and professionalism tends to be diluted with such an approach.

The memorandum amendment itself is quite ambiguous (when it shouldn't be, since its supposed objective was to limit the use of force given the various fatal incidents that had been occurring). The 2023 ICE memorandum established a policy that agents should "use force only when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative appears to exist."

Have no idea what their hiring practices are, however, as you said, it probably attracts ("encourages') a certain mindset - with some honorable and patriotic that do not like what they see, and some of a different nature all together (see below quote).

On the memorandum, that is reasonable for any agency where force might be employed. It also gets employed less and less and the reasons may be so different (was reminded that in WWI vs. WWII, solders did not go for kill shots each time, they purposely missed and the percentage of not missing climbed incrementally, so by the time Vietnam and later Iraq came around, killing shots became second nature). Perhaps the reason now that it is all enhanced, is the generational rise of video game screen killing (or from HARRP), or the types of movies' or by men (largely) who have hormonal chemistry and their mental balance out of synch - a long list of possibilities.


@SOTTREADER, without you adding to your post, nothing needed be said other than it was a bloody horrible needless ending.


Nov 2025:
Q: (Niall) What's the percentage of psychopaths in the USA? [We last asked in 2010 and the answer was 23%]

A: 24

Q: (L)So it's not gone up that much.

(Niall) No. The population has exploded, though.

(L) But the population has exploded, yeah. That's a lot!

(Niall) That's a lot. In the US, that's a hundred million psychopaths.

(L) Yeah.

(Niall) Well, we're not sure what "psychopath" is to the Cs, though.

And it is the exploding population fueled by migration (manufactured as it is), where even if a small percentage of crazies come in, and they have, doing horrible things (no one can deny the raping of woman and children, the woman in the subway - the overall entropy of the situation), you just can't hid this. One side wants it hidden - saying just go away, there is nothing to see here, while their society crumples around them. The other side wants them out. When protests happen in this context, it will get worse until both sides back off and get a handle on it, although that is not likely to happen anytime soon.

The quote above is chilling, considering that each one can pull in followers; left or right. This is very bad sign.

Of the cops taking the guy down and then out, if people think in this heightened time that they are going to shout and scream at authoritarians with guns, while citing their own rights (1st and 2nd worth defending in many eyes), again, conflict of this type is going to keep increasing (while defending) the resolves of each side.

In the scrum with Alex, there will always be an authoritarian who thinks its fine to fire (5 x boom rapid shots) to a guy already down - what type of a human does that (this is beyond the fright/flight stage)?

People have said 'they' in reference to the murder of Alex Pretti, yet of all the ICE in that situation, they did not each appear to have murder on their minds or to even have drawn their weapons - yet the one guy appeared to do just that, by his actions (obviously just opinion).
 
I wonder if that shot fired by the officer that disarmed Pretti was actually accidental, or whether they just wanted to be able to show that Pretti's weapon had been fired to back up the story of the officers acting in defence?
If it was accidental then he just cost someone his life. If not accidental, same. Either way, no excuses. Nothing will happen though as the guy that died belongs to the wrong team.

I have to say witnessing a public execution isn't great. Very sickening.
 
One little data point from a Joe Rogan episode showed up on X:


"This woman came on my podcast, names Mel K... This gay pride stuff is going away, and the next thing you are gonna see are immigration riots."

The speaker somehow manages to tie it to the Chinese, lol. We know that in the real world it most likely means the western intelligence orgs themselves.

The guy talking is Sam Tripoli. Looks like he's hosted a conspiracy podcast for some years. Found the episode in question below. I haven't watched it:


Anyway this is hardly a "busted wide open" since we all know generally who funds any big protests, but it's interesting to hear it said quite precisely before all the ICE expansion, and before Trump came back, when it looked like he was finished.
 
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